p.4 #1 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Not quite...they pre-warm the tube ("Profoto 8a packs use a technology that they call PiPE.
The D4 and Profoto 8A packs are engineered differently. No PiPE nor IGBT in the D4 just capacitor bank switching as best I remember. Love the D4 pack system - it is head and torso above the Acute 2 in precision and versatility.
p.4 #2 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Crash10 wrote:
The t.1 specs you post are longer then what Paul posted...so why are you trashing Broncolor, dude?
My post is correct. What's wrong here and all of you have failed to see, is that you did not notice Buff focus on the duration of the Grafit, a 15 year old pack. The Scoro is the newer product from Broncolor and should have been the proper model to compare. Check his post where I am not allowed to make a mistake to understand how things work here. He's even got the Verso confused with the Scoro in an early thread, but I never did mention anything. So give me a break on the heater or agenda childish stuff. The agenda the hating, the bashing and all that poor accusations stuff is always coming from the same people. How consistent to not cover up an agenda! He confuses things intentionally and unintentionally. In fact, I'm still there and by his own he is supposed to be gone. I decided to go by his own made up rules therefore, allowing myself to stay for awhile too and I don't see how he can say anything if I just copy his model. For the note, Rob Galbraith is still posting 1/8000s for the Einstein. This has been debated before and Rob apparently seem to agree that this may or not be true depending on the reading, but he is a pretty serious professional and for posting his findings and remove he must have his reasoning behind.
I see a lot of people skipping the lines, gobble things they don't understand and blame me for things. I think think this forum is to help others learn, but I see a lot of people coming to conclusions without even exploring the resources the forum can bring to them.
@Ellis. Yes, assistants are there for a reason, but the way I see it, to me they are an extension to me, and may be called to do anything from camera set up to clean up, so if I send mine to the car or do some shopping, the work still has to be done, and at least it does not come to a full stop. So I'll reach to the lights if I have to. Even small 3-5 motion teams have to operate in such way. I don't seat on a throne and make them run, may be some of you do, just not me.
I've made some translation/guide to help you decode accusations things:
Agenda=cover my own
Hater = anyone who reads my mind
Basher=You got me so I'll get back at you in a insulting random way
Troll=Can't get rid of the guy, calling anyone to attack as a group
p.4 #3 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Here's your own Broncolor link from earlier in this thread . . . Scoro = 1/7500 t.1, 1/12,000 t.5, Grafit 1/7500 t.1, 1/12,000 t.5 (The link is truncated, so make sure you paste the entire link in your browser)
I have references for Grafit from 1/6000 t.1 to 1/8000 t.1 and gave them the benefit of the doubt by use the number most favorable to them.
Also of great interest from Broncolor on Profoto D4 PIPE. No IGBTs here and Rob Galbraith has confirmed Bron's statements in link below . . . that it actually makes t.1 time longer and produces a double image. Also, Profoto does not publish t.1 numbers . . . only t.5, and produces no IGBT equipment that I am aware of. D4 produces modestly fast durations by using capacitor switching . . . not IGBTs.
p.4 #4 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Paul Buff wrote:
Here's your own Broncolor link from earlier in this thread . . . Scoro = 1/7500 t.1, 1/12,000 t.5, Grafit 1/7500 t.1, 1/12,000 t.5 (The link is truncated, so make sure you paste the entire link in your browser)
I have references for Grafit from 1/6000 t.1 to 1/8000 t.1 and gave them the benefit of the doubt by use the number most favorable to them.
Also of great interest from Broncolor on Profoto D4 PIPE. No IGBTs here and Rob Galbraith has confirmed Bron's statements in link below . . . that it actually makes t.1 time longer and produces a double image. Also, Profoto does not publish t.1 numbers . . . only t.5, and produces no IGBT equipment that I am aware of. D4 produces modestly fast durations by using capacitor switching . . . not IGBTs.
TODD56, I hate to burst your bubble but you are not correct and appear to have no clue about what you are spewing out here....Show more →
Any body else reads 1/7500s for the Scoro or like me 1/8000s.
As for the link on the Grafit my reply was to Crash 10 who found 1/6000s. Yes there are other members than you on the forum! Would you believe it? I guess not. May be you have overloaded your agenda, I don't know...
I suggest you don't confuse things so you don't get confused. My numbers were right and I see you are on my butt again for no reason.
Any clue why you mixed the Grafit with the Scoro and the Scoro with the Verso?
I have nothing to do with the Profoto getting involved here but why don't you blame me for that... What ever dude.
p.4 #5 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Pardon me for interrupting Todd56's spec sheet measurebation festival but the idea that the only lights being compared to the $500.00 Einstein are pack & head system costing approximately approximately $7000 more tells us something about the radical nature of the Einstein's design. I think a few people really resent that it is a game changer when you look at it's entire range of features. Is it perfect ? Of course not, but neither are the Profoto, Broncolor, Hensel, Elinchrom, Dynalite, Speedotron, etc. products especially if you are looking at moonlights. And if you are considering monolights especially for general professional or amateur work, you are doing yourself a real disservice if you aren't seriously looking at Einsteins.
And by the way, I have actually shot with Scoro gear. I also currently am reviewing the Broncolor Senso and Litos system. I am not Paul Buff's, Profoto, Broncolor, or any other manufacturer's stooge. I am brand neutral: I am way too cynical and jaded for that game. But if a specific product offers serious advantages to me as a working photographer I am going to use it and honestly report on my findings. Are there flaws that others will catch? Absolutely.
p.4 #6 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
E-Vener wrote:
Pardon me for interrupting Todd56's measurebation festival but the idea that the only lights being compared to the $500.00 Einstein are pack & head system costing approximately approximately $7000 more tells us something about the radical nature of the Einstein's design. I think a few people really resent that it is a game changer when you look at it's entire range of features. Is it perfect ? Of course not, but neither are the Profoto, Broncolor, Hensel, Elinchrom, Dynalite, Speedotron, etc. products especially if you are looking at moonlights. And if you are considering monolights especially for general professional or amateur work, you are doing yourself a real disservice if you aren't seriously looking at Einsteins. ...Show more →
Well if you can demonstrate I am the one who introduced the packs here please do so. Comparing the cost, well you would be the first one going that way on the entire thread. Do you have an agenda?
I'm guessing your accusing me of saying something wrong about the Einstein in an indirect way . This is what I said above, people working in any fantasy way they can come up with to make others look like they say what they don't. Team up come with made up accusations and knock at Fred's door to eliminate the "haters". This is actually smart but acceptable on a forum
p.4 #7 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Yeah I do. My agenda is giving PHOTOGRAPHERS information they can use. Your agenda seems to consist totally of being argumentative just to be argumentative.
p.4 #8 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
E-Vener wrote:
Yeah I do. My agenda is giving PHOTOGRAPHERS information they can use. Your agenda seems to consist totally of being argumentative just to be argumentative.
Seem like you are just talking about one of your agendas here. Any one who has an argument with Buff, you point your nose again and again on the same side.
p.4 #10 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Todd56 wrote:
Any body else reads 1/7500s for the Scoro or like me 1/8000s.
As for the link on the Grafit my reply was to Crash 10 who found 1/6000s. Yes there are other members than you on the forum! Would you believe it? I guess not. May be you have overloaded your agenda, I don't know...
I suggest you don't confuse things so you don't get confused. My numbers were right and I see you are on my butt again for no reason.
Any clue why you mixed the Grafit with the Scoro and the Scoro with the Verso?
I have nothing to do with the Profoto getting involved here but why don't you blame me for that... What ever dude....Show more →
I honestly try my level best to provide meaningful, civil and honest information here, and to help other readers understand things when questions are asked.
But I swear, Todd56 seems the dumbest and most incredible (literally) poster I have ever encountered. If other members want to allow Fred to leave him here spreading false and malicious information against many posters beside myself, FM forum will be swallowed up but it's own mismanagement, and members who allow it to happen will lose a valuable resource. There is a complaint button.
For the record, I originally stated Grafit as 1/8000 second t.1. This was based on the numbers I got from B&H and Bron last month. Todd currently claims the same number, then says that I am misstating and hyping the numbers . . . go figure!
Then four links were posted that currently state three references to 1/6000 and one showing clearly 1/7500 for both Grafit and Scoro. While Todd's post containing these very links is not clear as to whether or not he posted these links, (improper formatting) they have his name on them.
All the info is right there, coming from Broncolor for anyone who can and will read it. All I did was use month old information, with the result making Broncolor specs appear better than they now state them to be. Apparently Todd can't or won't read even his own links and prefers to just stir the pot . . . to what possible end I can't imagine.
p.4 #11 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Paul Buff wrote:
...Apparently Todd...prefers to just stir the pot . . . to what possible end I can't imagine.
To get attention, obviously.
I've used the Hide Me button a few times, but sometimes I prefer to keep aware of certain problem members' activities so I can refute their nonsense. It's a tough call, sometimes, which action to take.
p.4 #12 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
I have run several forums and the amount of people making 2nd accounts for the sole purpose of slander astounded me. The funny thing is these are usually long standing members who are on their main accounts are nice and cordial and actually well liked. I have actually pinpointed 2 of em here on FM because of slip ups that have been made while following threads and quick deletions. I pointed this out to FM admins but nothing has been done.
I suggest using the Hide button Paul and know that some of us appreciate what you bring to the forums the good, bad, and sometimes ugly but always informative.
p.4 #13 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
E-Vener wrote:
The D4 and Profoto 8A packs are engineered differently. No PiPE nor IGBT in the D4 just capacitor bank switching as best I remember. Love the D4 pack system - it is head and torso above the Acute 2 in precision and versatility.
Thanks for the correction Ellis. If the D4 is just capacitor switching, it should blur even more than the 8A which is supposed to be better technology. It's pretty funny how hard Broncolor bashes it
p.4 #14 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Paul Buff wrote:
I honestly try my level best to provide meaningful, civil and honest information here, and to help other readers understand things when questions are asked.
But I swear, Todd56 seems the dumbest and most incredible (literally) poster I have ever encountered. If other members want to allow Fred to leave him here spreading false and malicious information against many posters beside myself, FM forum will be swallowed up but it's own mismanagement, and members who allow it to happen will lose a valuable resource. There is a complaint button.
For the record, I originally stated Grafit as 1/8000 second t.1. This was based on the numbers I got from B&H and Bron last month. Todd currently claims the same number, then says that I am misstating and hyping the numbers . . . go figure!
Then four links were posted that currently state three references to 1/6000 and one showing clearly 1/7500 for both Grafit and Scoro. While Todd's post containing these very links is not clear as to whether or not he posted these links, (improper formatting) they have his name on them.
All the info is right there, coming from Broncolor for anyone who can and will read it. All I did was use month old information, with the result making Broncolor specs appear better than they now state them to be. Apparently Todd can't or won't read even his own links and prefers to just stir the pot . . . to what possible end I can't imagine....Show more →
I'm out and you are still at it and I'm the dumb guy who stir the pot...
p.4 #15 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Todd56 wrote:
OK, I'm out unless someone has an other attack on me to defend. I hope all parties who have told here that they will go will do so.
Good luck to all
Ok..let's get this straight!
Paul posted that at the Grafits have 1/8000 duration, I posted 4 sources including one from Broncolor that says 1/6000, you post that says 1/7500...still below Paul's claim.
When you realize the stupidity of your argument you post that Paul should have compared the Einstein to the Soros...which Broncolor says on the link you provided has a 1/8000 t.1 duration.
I'm not at all surprised you melted the cap, dude!
p.4 #17 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Crash10 wrote:
Ok..let's get this straight!
Paul posted that at the Grafits have 1/8000 duration, I posted 4 sources including one from Broncolor that says 1/6000, you post that says 1/7500...still below Paul's claim.
When you realize the stupidity of your argument you post that Paul should have compared the Einstein to the Soros...which Broncolor says on the link you provided has a 1/8000 t.1 duration.
I'm not at all surprised you melted the cap, dude!
1/28,000 t.1 range . . . but at 1/2WS
1/8000s ___ws Bron?
1/13000s ___ws Eisntein?
p.4 #18 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Todd56 wrote:
1/28,000 t.1 range . . . but at 1/2WS
1/8000s ___ws Bron?
1/13000s ___ws Eisntein?
Here's the power VS duration for Einstein. Einstein reaches 1/10,000 t.1 at about 60WS (Full output of most speedlights . . . where t.1 is on the order of 1/300). Bron never achieves faster than 1/6000 to 1/8000 (according to which spec version you choose) at any power setting.
According to B&H (links attached), Profoto D4 shortest t.5 duration is 1/7500 (equals 1/2500 t.1), and Pro8A minimum duration is 1/12,000 t.5 = 1/4000 t.1. They talk about constant color on Pro 8A, but only from 400WS and up, with no mention of what happens below 400WS.
Now go do your homework like a good boy and produce the equivalent t.1 vs power chart for Bron, and again for Profoto (make sure you consider Profoto specs are t.5 and must be lengthened by a factor of three to get t.1). I'm sure others here would appreciate some actual info from you.
p.4 #19 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Paul Buff wrote:
Here's the power VS duration for Einstein. Einstein reaches 1/10,000 t.1 at about 60WS (Full output of most speedlights . . . where t.1 is on the order of 1/300). Bron never achieves faster than 1/6000 to 1/8000 (according to which spec version you choose) at any power setting.
According to B&H (links attached), Profoto D4 shortest t.5 duration is 1/7500 (equals 1/2500 t.1), and Pro8A minimum duration is 1/12,000 t.5 = 1/4000 t.1. They talk about constant color on Pro 8A, but only from 400WS and up, with no mention of what happens below 400WS.
Now go do your homework like a good boy and produce the equivalent t.1 vs power chart for Bron, and again for Profoto (make sure you consider Profoto specs are t.5 and must be lengthened by a factor of three to get t.1). I'm sure others here would appreciate some actual info from you....Show more →
But, is the Einstein not 1/13000s? Why 1/10000s? I'm pretty sure you posted how fast it is compared to anything else.
Ain't you the guru super technical guy who knows it all and more who comes here to help us? I'm just a user and dumb as per your say so I'll count on you to tell me what the Scoro does both for the 3200 and the 1600packs with your original 1/8000s.
So you did understand my question in the first place and choose your own route. Interesting.
Gee, I'm wondering why I should wonder about ws, I'm so dumb!
p.4 #20 · Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 in-depth flash duration test: action v.s constant color mode
Todd56 wrote:
But, is the Einstein not 1/13000s? Why 1/10000s? I'm pretty sure you posted how fast it is compared to anything else.
Ain't you the guru super technical guy who knows it all and more who comes here to help us? I'm just a user and dumb as per your say so I'll count on you to tell me what the Scoro does both for the 3200 and the 1600packs with your original 1/8000s.
So you did understand my question in the first place and choose your own route. Interesting.
Gee, I'm wondering why I should wonder about ws, I'm so dumb!
Why do you have to take anything Paul says as gospel? If you haven't clued in yet the basis of this thread is based on a Alien Bee independent test....people are testing the #$%%^ out of his gear.
The weird @@#$ is when you claim Paul is bashing Broncolor by saying the Grafits go to 1/8000 when your own link claims 1/7500 tops...
