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Richard Nye
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These are my first impressions of the RRS PG-02 full gimbal after owning it for a very short time. Right now I have a 300 f/2.8 IS and 500 f/4 IS with 1.4X and 2X TCs. I’m also using a Gitzo GT3541LS tripod and Canon 1DsIII and 1DIV camera bodies.


Ordering/Shipping:
I phoned in an order mid day on Thursday to RRS, and the gimbal arrived the next day via UPS ground. I live about 300 miles south of San Louis Obispo. The packaging was very protective. Can't ask for more than that.

Out of box quality:
The gimbal came in 3 pieces, the base (PG-02 HB), the vertical arm with vertical rail attached (PG-02 VA & PG-VR), and cradle clamp (PG-CC). A single page, double sided, instructions were included. You can view these instructions HERE. The quality was what you’d expect from RRS. Very impressive. There are laser engraved markings every 5 degrees on the rotational part of the base, every millimeter on the horizontal part of the base, every 2.5 degrees on the rotational part of the vertical arm, every mm on the vertical (swinging) rail, and every millimeter on the cradle clamp. The markings are very easy to read. There is one bubble level on the base that is easy to see when the gimbal is mounted on the tripod. There are many milled out sections to minimize weight, and the look and feel of the gimbal exudes strength, stability and precision. But it does seem more like a piece of precision optical equipment than something you want to drag through the brush to photo wildlife.

Assembly:
Assembling the gimbal was straightforward and simple. You simply slide the vertical arm onto the base and align the edge of the arm at the 110mm mark then tighten the smaller knob on the vertical arm. Then you slide the cradle clamp onto the vertical rail and tighten. Simple as that. No tools required. If you need to remove the vertical rail from the vertical arm, you will need 2 different allen wrenches (included) to remove 3 screws. However it won’t gain you much additional storage space by doing so. Overall, the assembly and disassembly into 3 pieces is quick and helps reduce the amount of space needed to store or transport the gimbal.

Size & weight:
The RRS gimbal weighs about 10 – 15% more than competitive gimbals, and the height is comparable. However, the RRS gimbal is much wider. The Wimberley and Jobu are somewhat tapered at the bottom where the CB and particularly RRS gimbals are widest at the bottom. This adds significant bulk to the gimbal. The RRS gimbal will not fit in the LensCoat gimbal pouch where the Wimberley and Jobu will.

RRS PG-02: 58oz, 9.25”H X 10.75”
Wimberley WH200: 50.4oz, 9.25”H X 9.73”W
Jobu BWG Pro: 53oz, 11.5”H X 9”W
Custom Brackets CB: 53oz, 9.75”H X 8.5”W

Flexibility:
One of the main advantages of the RRS gimbal is its flexible, modular design. RRS claims the gimbal can be used as a side mount gimbal, single row pano head, or multi-row pano head – AT A COST! In order to shed some weight (for smaller lenses maybe) and use the gimbal as a side-mount gimbal, you can remove the vertical rail and cradle clamp and install a quick release clamp (like a B2 LLR II) for $132 plus shipping (and CA tax). If you want to use the PG-02 HB as a single row pano head, you will need to buy a clamp (like the FAS clamp) that slides on the base and clamps the camera plate. The FAS plate is $140 plus shipping/tax. Finally, if you want to have a multi-row pano head you will need a B2 LLR II ($132) clamp and a nodal slide/clamp like a 192 FAS package ($200). This is assuming “no parallax” panos.

Side mount gimbal: B2 LLR II, $132 (plus shipping & CA tax if req’d)
Single row pano: FAS clamp, $140
Multi-row pano: B2 LLR II & 192 FAS package, $332

Operation:
Setting up the RRS gimbal is no different than any other. To get the centerline of the lens above the center of the tripod head you adjust the vertical arm position at the 110mm mark on the horizontal arm. The cradle clamp was easy to adjust up and down and locked positively. The graduated markings on the vertical arm help quickly adjust the gimbal for different lenses. This is the first time I’ve used a lever clamp, and I’ve got to admit, it’s nice, quick and positive. The clamp also worked with my Markins and 4th Generation lens plates/replacement foot. RRS says the lever clamp is a new design that automatically adjusts to accept all Arca-Swiss plates. The clamp is 3.12 inches long, which offers a stabile platform for long lens plates on large lenses.

When all knobs were tightened down the tripod/gimbal/lens was easy to sling over your shoulder for a short hike. Everything was solid and stayed put. I never detected any type of looseness or instability.

With the Canon 1DIV, 500 f/4 IS and 2X TC mounted on the PG-02 and GT3541LS, I got a very stabile and sharp images. I need to take it out to the wetlands to really test it in action however.

One disappointing aspect of the gimbal was in the amount of friction in the bearings. When I adjusted the tension knobs all the way “loose” there was still more friction that I would have liked. Tightening the knobs increased friction in a predictable way. Someone said the bearing friction may decrease with time, and I will be contacting RRS to get their thoughts on this. I’ve used the Jobu BWG HD2 and the vertical panning bearing was virtually frictionless. The RRS bearings are not like that.

Unlike the CB gimbal, you cannot use this gimbal as a side mount gimbal with ballhead (like the Sidekick). That would be a nice feature if you want to take both large and small lenses and minimize weight and tripod head changes. If you put the side mount option on the PG-02, you could use the gimbal like a ballhead however, if your camera had an L plate.

Pros:
1. Build quality is outstanding
2. Very stable, no sign of looseness
3. Lots of graduation marks to make set up easy
4. Easy to assemble/disassemble without tools
5. Components can be used for pano head or side mount gimbal

Cons:
1. Too much friction in the bearings
2. Built like a precision optical device, not something to drag through the bush
3. Big and bulky
4. Cost, and cost of accessories for pano head, side mount gimbal
5. Can’t be used as a side mount gimbal with ballhead

Conclusions:
If you want your gimbal to do multiple tasks like full gimbal, side mount gimbal and pano head, then the RRS PG-02 is a good choice. Once you use a full gimbal I see very few reasons to convert it to a side mount gimbal unless you can use it with a ballhead like the Sidekick. The pano options are a useful benefit however.

If you have a big lens and you only want a gimbal and no other features, then the Wimberley, Jobu or Custom Brackets gimbals are probably better choices because they are smaller, somewhat lighter, and a couple hundred dollars less.



Feb 26, 2011 at 01:59 PM
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p.1 #2 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


I have the sidemount one, no arm/cradle and I'm very happy with mine... I considered the full gimbal but I figured I could always add the arm and cradle if I wanted...

My con when using it as a Pano head is that in order to get my gripped D700/300 or D3 in portrait orientation the upright arm is hanging off the end. It may be more a product of using the nodal slide and the screw lock bracket mount that I can change the orientation on, it's very thick.

The other con but I have noticed it loosening up are the bearings when panning, they are/were very tight....

Other than those 2 issues I find it to be a great multitasking device... I routinely throw it on the tripod over my ballhead even when just mounting a camera with a short lens and L bracket...

Great writeup, btw....



Feb 26, 2011 at 02:11 PM
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p.1 #3 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Not a Canon guy but I have to appreciate the setup. Very nice!


Feb 26, 2011 at 02:28 PM
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p.1 #4 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Thank you for sharing your first impressions and giving us your review.

Regarding the friction: My experience with the RRS gear - including the RRS Gimbal - is that the friction will be much less/smoother after using it a short period of time. Checked it now and it is really smooth - both in vertical and horizontal panning.
Regards

Fjellfalck


Edited on Feb 26, 2011 at 04:34 PM · View previous versions



Feb 26, 2011 at 02:35 PM
Richard Nye
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p.1 #5 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


I'm glad to hear about the bearings loosening up. I will call RRS on Monday to ask them about it. I was impressed with the way it handled with the lens and the camera however. I didn't get any shakeyness, even at 1300mm effective FL. It seems like the gimbal belongs in a jewel box and not in the swamp.


Feb 26, 2011 at 02:47 PM
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p.1 #6 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


RRS says the lever clamp is a new design that automatically adjusts to accept all Arca-Swiss plates.
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That is interesting especially the "automatically adjusts".

Steve



Feb 26, 2011 at 02:53 PM
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p.1 #7 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


The knob on the cradle clamp is on the opposite side than the one shown in the instructions and on RRS website. I wonder if they have two different versions of the clamp?


Feb 26, 2011 at 04:02 PM
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ciscopro2000 wrote:
The knob on the cradle clamp is on the opposite side than the one shown in the instructions and on RRS website. I wonder if they have two different versions of the clamp?

From the RRS website: (NOTE: Images show pre-production version of Cradle Clamp; all other components are current production versions. The full production model of the PG-CC Cradle Clamp will have the locking knob on the opposite side.) dave



Feb 26, 2011 at 04:43 PM
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p.1 #9 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


^ ahhh...thank you.


Feb 26, 2011 at 04:46 PM
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dasams wrote:
From the RRS website: (NOTE: Images show pre-production version of Cradle Clamp; all other components are current production versions. The full production model of the PG-CC Cradle Clamp will have the locking knob on the opposite side.) dave


That is correct. The the RRS web site shows the cradle with the locking knob on the wrong side. The only natural way of operating it is on the other side than the picture is showing - as you can see in the pictures from Richard Nye.

Fjellfalck



Feb 26, 2011 at 04:52 PM
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p.1 #11 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


I think I would prefer to have the PG-VA knob on the other side as well. This way all the knobs are on one side.


Feb 26, 2011 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #12 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


I'm not sure why RRS did what they did concerning knob placement. In the end, it really doesn't matter much because the 2 smaller knobs are used in set-up only. Once it's set up you leave them alone.


Feb 26, 2011 at 05:06 PM
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p.1 #13 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


You would like to have the knobs on the left side when shooting. Then you still have your finger on the shutter-button (right hand) and keep on shooting when doing small adjustments of the knobs. With the knobs on the right side (like Richards image) then you have to stop shooting and adjust them with your right hand.

(IMO) it should be like the photo on the RRS website. If you like a smooth operation when shooting



Feb 26, 2011 at 09:19 PM
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p.1 #14 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Just two sample pics to show what I'm trying to say about the knobs on the left side. You can see he has his left hand on the knob while he is right hand finger is on the shutter-button and shooting. You can't do it the other way.

http://www.pbase.com/larsjohnsson/image/40453490/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/larsjohnsson/image/80147484/original.jpg



Feb 26, 2011 at 09:28 PM
Richard Nye
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p.1 #15 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Good point Lars. I set it up this way to get a better photograph. If I would have set it up the way you'd normally shoot, the light would cast more shadows and it would have been harder to see. These aren't the best photos I'll admit. Taken with my G9.


Feb 26, 2011 at 09:42 PM
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p.1 #16 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Most of my work with a gimbal mount is for active tracking of moving subjects, or for conditions where just the balanced support of the gimbal is enough to get a sharp shot with out clamping down the gimbal. So for me I usually set up the arm on the right side, because I do not need to lock or un lock the clamping knobs. I use my right hand on the camera grip, and that leaves my left hand free to guide the lens from near the front. It also allows easy access to any of the lens controls that are on the left side of the lens, because the arm is not there to partly block them. So I very often use the arm on the right side. For the few times I need to do clamped down shots, I can manage ok with the arm on the right, or I can fairly quickly just reverse the lens in the gimbal, and shoot with the arm on the left.

So both configurations of arm side are useful. My only concern with where the knob ended up on the PG-02 is with a shorter lens and body mounted, the knob may end up too close to the camera, and your hand may hit it when on the grip of the camera. I would be interested to hear from anyone if this is a problem with a small lens like a Canon 70-200 f2.8 and a heavy camera like a Canon 1D series body, and with the lens and camera mounted on the gimbal near the balance point.



Feb 26, 2011 at 11:41 PM
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p.1 #17 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Roland, I shoot with the knobs on the left, but your point about the controls is valid. Sometimes it's a bit awkward to get to the switches on the lens. I've never used my left hand to guide the lens. I'll have to try that.


Feb 27, 2011 at 09:53 AM
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p.1 #18 · RRS PG-02 full gimbal


Richard, did you work with either the CB gimbal or the Katana gimbal? If so, how would you compare the RRS gimbal in terms of actual use? The CB gimbal is offset from the tripod, which seems a little weird, and the Katana seems to have a near frictionless movement.

I am currently trying to decide between the three gimbals, but finding people that have used more than one has proved difficult.

Thanks!



Feb 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM
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Roland W wrote:
So both configurations of arm side are useful. My only concern with where the knob ended up on the PG-02 is with a shorter lens and body mounted, the knob may end up too close to the camera, and your hand may hit it when on the grip of the camera. I would be interested to hear from anyone if this is a problem with a small lens like a Canon 70-200 f2.8 and a heavy camera like a Canon 1D series body, and with the lens and camera mounted on the gimbal near the balance point.


Yes you are correct about the knob hitting the body when using smaller lenses. With a 1DsII & 400mm f5.6 mounted, I shoot with the vertical arm on the left. Even with the camera body pushed all the way forward, till it hits the QR lever, it’s still not balanced proper. I’m not sure about the 70-200 2.8, I still haven’t mounted it yet.



Feb 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM
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Daniel Morris wrote:
Richard, did you work with either the CB gimbal or the Katana gimbal? If so, how would you compare the RRS gimbal in terms of actual use? The CB gimbal is offset from the tripod, which seems a little weird, and the Katana seems to have a near frictionless movement.

I am currently trying to decide between the three gimbals, but finding people that have used more than one has proved difficult.

Thanks!


Daniel,
I have not tried the CB or Katana gimbals. It seems both of them have ball bearings and will swivel very freely. The RRS does not. The RRS has a ball bearing horizontal movement, but the vertical movement is not ball bearing. It looks like both the Katana and CB gimbals are offset from the tripod (Katana only slightly).

The CB is priced well (~$500) and probably would be a good deal. I was turned off a bit by all the knobs. But it will probably function well and it's compact to transport.

The Katana is priced about like the RRS. For that price, the RRS is more versatile if you ever want to use it for panos.

Good luck with your decision.



Feb 28, 2011 at 04:40 PM
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