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p.1 #1 · Epson photo black vs matte black


Hi there,
I need your help on choosing a right combination of ink and paper for my epson 9880 K3.
I would like to be able to print regular mate and canvas images without switching the black ink.
Where can I find a list of papers/canvases dedicated to each type of black?
Thank you,
Evgueni

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Jan 18, 2011 at 08:42 AM
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p.1 #2 · Epson photo black vs matte black


I don't think I've ever seen a list of media "dedicated" to matte or photo black. While it is true that some types of media may be best printed with matte or photo black, sometimes the differences can be quite small and inconsequential---this is particularly true for the latest generation of media (wonderful!). I have found that using my own custom generated icc profiles for each media type makes a difference here, as the profile is generated using the type of black ink that you wish to use on a particular type of media.


Jan 18, 2011 at 09:20 AM
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p.1 #3 · Epson photo black vs matte black


Thank you kdphotography.
So, which black (photo or matte) is prefered by most photographers?

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Jan 18, 2011 at 10:09 AM
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p.1 #4 · Epson photo black vs matte black


4 out of 5 photographers prefer 'Minty White'

I print on barytas and lustre papers and have never seen a paper of that type use matte black.

If, as you say, you want to use matte and matte-like fine art papers, I think you'll find *in most cases* that matte black is your go-to



Jan 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM
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p.1 #5 · Epson photo black vs matte black


Hi howardm4,
What type of black normally being used on canvas papers? (sorry I'm a newbie in print)



Jan 18, 2011 at 10:22 AM
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p.1 #6 · Epson photo black vs matte black


with canvas and matte papers use the matte blacks as neither surface is glossy.


Jan 18, 2011 at 10:26 AM
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p.1 #7 · Epson photo black vs matte black


Thank you!


Jan 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM
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p.1 #8 · Epson photo black vs matte black


beats me. I dont do canvas. My hunch/guess is going to be matte though.

I just looked at some Breathing Color offerings and they say this.......

Our very own award-winning Chromata White Inkjet Canvasis available in 17"x40' rolls which makes it a perfect fit for the Epson 4800 printer. The Chromata White Canvas allows for maximum color gamut and black density when printed with matte black inks. This inkjet canvas is compatible with both photo black and matte black inks. It's superior performance and industry-wide recognition has made it the premium quality alternative to the Epson Canvas.

If you prefer to use photo black inks, then our Chromata White Glossy Inkjet Canvasis just the product you are looking for. Simply put, you will not find a glossy inkjet canvas that can deliver better color gamut, black density, and roll to roll consistency.



Jan 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM
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p.1 #9 · Epson photo black vs matte black


howardm4 wrote:
beats me. I dont do canvas. My hunch/guess is going to be matte though.

I just looked at some Breathing Color offerings and they say this.......

Our very own award-winning Chromata White Inkjet Canvasis available in 17"x40' rolls which makes it a perfect fit for the Epson 4800 printer. The Chromata White Canvas allows for maximum color gamut and black density when printed with matte black inks. This inkjet canvas is compatible with both photo black and matte black inks. It's superior performance and industry-wide recognition has made it the premium quality alternative to the Epson Canvas.

If you prefer to use
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And just to confuse you more ....All of Breathing Color's offerings print up great using photo black, especially with a custom generated icc profile. I use Lyve Canvas with photo black (Epson 9800) with great success. The BC 800M is a great inexpensive canvas (has OBAs), but I use it only for signage/banners.



Jan 18, 2011 at 11:18 AM
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p.1 #10 · Epson photo black vs matte black


kdphotography wrote:
And just to confuse you more .... .


I guess my next step is to find a matte paper designed for photo black ink



Jan 18, 2011 at 11:22 AM
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p.1 #11 · Epson photo black vs matte black


why? your stated goal was to print on matte paper and canvas. that leads you to matte black. there *are* canvas's that can take photo black but most seem to take matte and almost all matte papers want matte black.

I think you're going to severely limit your matte paper & canvas selection by choosing photo black



Jan 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM
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p.1 #12 · Epson photo black vs matte black


My situation is:
I have a new printer (2 years old, never used)
The original set of catriges was including the photo-black.
My first roll of paper is semi gloss (100')
I would be printing landscapes only with 2 types of mount:
Canvas and plak.
I didn't plak my semi gloss print yet, but it feels too glossy.
So, I'm thinking to try a matte paper.
Speaking of the plak, does it make print less glossy?
I'm trying to come up with a workflow where I'll choose a right media ones and I can stay with same type of blacks without wasting the ink.
Thank you for your help.



Jan 18, 2011 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #13 · Epson photo black vs matte black


You need to start color managing your system, both your display and your printer+ink+media combination.

My suggestion is the Xrite Colormunki: http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?id=1115

http://bit.ly/7DPgdQ



Jan 18, 2011 at 12:12 PM
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p.1 #14 · Epson photo black vs matte black


My lacie 724 came with a blue eye colorimeter.


Jan 18, 2011 at 02:47 PM
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p.1 #15 · Epson photo black vs matte black


but that won't profile your printer+paper+ink combination. If you buy paper from some of the better on-line media (paper/canvas/etc.) sellers like booksmartstudio.com they usually have printer/paper profiles that are a very good place to start from and also can make a recommendation about whether to use glossy or matter black inks for each paper.


Jan 18, 2011 at 02:59 PM
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p.1 #16 · Epson photo black vs matte black


E-Vener is right - you need to calibrate your monitor and learn some basic color management so what you see on the screen will more or less (given the different media) be matched on the paper. The general rule is matte black ink for matte papers (which include the Epson Velvet Fine Art and the Ultra Smooth Fine Art, and Hahnemuhle has some good matte papers under its own name and under the Harman name) and the photo black for gloss papers, which includes the Epson Premium Lustre and the various glossy Baryta papers by different makers.

'Mastering Digital Printing' (2nd ed.) by Harold Johnson has about everything you'd want to know about printing. You can pick up used copy at Amazon or Alibris or Barnes and Noble.



Jan 20, 2011 at 05:16 PM
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p.1 #17 · Epson photo black vs matte black


E-Vener wrote:
with canvas and matte papers use the matte blacks as neither surface is glossy.

Not sure I agree 100% as Epson canvas is luster which usually benefits from photo black.
General rule I've always followed s matte paper - matte ink. Anything else is photo.



Jan 20, 2011 at 09:01 PM





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