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p.8 #1Beware Radioactive Lenses
carstenw wrote:
Coming from anywhere else in Europe doesn't help. Example:
La lune, le soleil.
Der Mond, Die Sonne!
Yes. One of the problems with Old Germanic Saxon (and dare I say, German) was that noun gender was really fairly arbitrary in most cases (Die Frau und Der Mann, notwithstanding).
Coming from anywhere else in Europe doesn't help. Example:
La lune, le soleil.
Der Mond, Die Sonne!
Yes. One of the problems with Old Germanic Saxon (and dare I say, German) was that noun gender was really fairly arbitrary in most cases (Die Frau und Der Mann, notwithstanding).
Dec 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM
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Alf Beharie wrote:
if your British.
Even without nouns having genders, the English grammar seems difficult enough doesn't it?
Damn this internet grammar!
(Not meant as a personal attack; it just bothers me that I that the internet is so full of grammar-unaware or seemingly dyslexic people.)
if your British.
Even without nouns having genders, the English grammar seems difficult enough doesn't it?
Damn this internet grammar!
(Not meant as a personal attack; it just bothers me that I that the internet is so full of grammar-unaware or seemingly dyslexic people.)Dec 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM
p.8 #3Beware Radioactive Lenses
Lotusm50 wrote:
Yes. One of the problems with Old Germanic Saxon (and dare I say, German) was that noun gender was really fairly arbitrary in most cases (Die Frau und Der Mann, notwithstanding).
Das Mädchen is a perfect example. I have thought that German really needs a quick update of a couple of words for a more gender-tolerant future, but lots of conservatives will be up in arms if anyone tries this, arguing under the guise of tradition.
Yes. One of the problems with Old Germanic Saxon (and dare I say, German) was that noun gender was really fairly arbitrary in most cases (Die Frau und Der Mann, notwithstanding).
Das Mädchen is a perfect example. I have thought that German really needs a quick update of a couple of words for a more gender-tolerant future, but lots of conservatives will be up in arms if anyone tries this, arguing under the guise of tradition.
Dec 19, 2010 at 11:43 AM
p.8 #4Beware Radioactive Lenses
cogitech wrote:
Some of us are more sensitive to it than others. I swear I can "hear" the radio waves emitted from my wireless access point. It is in my daughters' room on the other side of the wall from where I sleep. If I turn it off, I can't hear it, but when it is on, it is like a mild case of tinnitus but I can actually "hear" the various tones of the "data" flowing. It creeps me out a bit, although I only hear it when the house is otherwise silent, just before I fall asleep.
What you're hearing is probably high frequency noise from ICs or transistors, similar to the high frequency noise some of us can hear being emitted from the flyback transformer in a CRT monitor or older tube TV.
Believe me, you can't hear the RF being produced in 2.4GHz or 5GHz RF spectrums. If you can, you should be working for the military. You would also be able to "hear" your cordless phones and microwave at work in these ranges, especially the microwave since it produces approximately 1000x the RF of the most powerful wireless router.
On another note, there is another similarity of two words in the British and English language. Zagnut and tagnut. One is a yummy candy bar, the other is something you want nothing to do with.
Edited on Dec 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM · View previous versions
AhamB wrote
I'm not particularly concerned with damaging my health in this respect because I hardly ever use a cellphone (I'm not on the road much, so don't need one), but whenever I do, I do get a strange feeling in my head and I'm convinced it's not a placebo effect.What you're hearing is probably high frequency noise from ICs or transistors, similar to the high frequency noise some of us can hear being emitted from the flyback transformer in a CRT monitor or older tube TV.
Believe me, you can't hear the RF being produced in 2.4GHz or 5GHz RF spectrums. If you can, you should be working for the military. You would also be able to "hear" your cordless phones and microwave at work in these ranges, especially the microwave since it produces approximately 1000x the RF of the most powerful wireless router.
On another note, there is another similarity of two words in the British and English language. Zagnut and tagnut. One is a yummy candy bar, the other is something you want nothing to do with.
Edited on Dec 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM · View previous versions
Dec 19, 2010 at 11:48 AM
p.8 #5Beware Radioactive Lenses
carstenw wrote:
Das Mädchen is a perfect example.
I think it's kind of a bad example. Aren't all words ending with -chen or -lein neuter? This is the same in Dutch. Don't you use the article "it" for words like "baby" in English too?
Mädel (gal, lass, girl) is still neuter though, which is kind of weird.
Enjoying the discussion...
Aaron D wrote:
What you're hearing is probably high frequency noise from ICs or transistors, similar to the high frequency noise some of us can hear being emitted from the flyback transformer in a CRT monitor or older tube TV.
I think you shouldn't be able to hear HF noise from IC's or transistors. If there is no mechanical vibration, there can't be sound. Transformers and capactors in things like power supplies you can hear, if they are not properly "glued" to stop their vibrations.
Das Mädchen is a perfect example.
I think it's kind of a bad example. Aren't all words ending with -chen or -lein neuter? This is the same in Dutch. Don't you use the article "it" for words like "baby" in English too?
Mädel (gal, lass, girl) is still neuter though, which is kind of weird.
Enjoying the discussion...
Aaron D wrote:
What you're hearing is probably high frequency noise from ICs or transistors, similar to the high frequency noise some of us can hear being emitted from the flyback transformer in a CRT monitor or older tube TV.
I think you shouldn't be able to hear HF noise from IC's or transistors. If there is no mechanical vibration, there can't be sound. Transformers and capactors in things like power supplies you can hear, if they are not properly "glued" to stop their vibrations.
Dec 19, 2010 at 11:53 AM
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AhamB wrote:
I think it's kind of a bad example. Aren't all words ending with -chen or -lein neuter?
Yes, but I find it far more important that little girls can learn that they are feminine that some other arbitrary rule has not been violated (here).
carstenw wrote
Das Mädchen is a perfect example.Yes, but I find it far more important that little girls can learn that they are feminine that some other arbitrary rule has not been violated (here).
Dec 19, 2010 at 12:25 PM
p.8 #7Beware Radioactive Lenses
I thought "vad i hela friden har killarna nu hittat på att diskutera om radioaktiva objektiv?" And found such interesting development.
There was a list of words that I´ll enlarge with swedish as well as finnish. Enjoy = njut = nauttikaa.
Deutsch_English_Svenska_Suomea
Mutter=mother=moder=äiti
Vater=father=fader=isä
Maus=mouse=mus=hiiri
Schwein=swine=svin=sika
Sau=sow=so/sugga=emakko (had to look thisone up)
schwimmen=swimming=simning=uinti
Wagen=wagon=vagn=kärry
Hammer=hammer=hammare=vasara
rennen=running=löpning=juoksu
There was an other thread with the sentence (or close):
Ich bin hier = I am here = jag är här = olen täällä
Just pronounce the finnish words as nothing you have pronounced before and you wont be any closer. It´s quite fascinating to live in a bilingual community with two languages of such different, well, everything.
There was a list of words that I´ll enlarge with swedish as well as finnish. Enjoy = njut = nauttikaa.
Deutsch_English_Svenska_Suomea
Mutter=mother=moder=äiti
Vater=father=fader=isä
Maus=mouse=mus=hiiri
Schwein=swine=svin=sika
Sau=sow=so/sugga=emakko (had to look thisone up)
schwimmen=swimming=simning=uinti
Wagen=wagon=vagn=kärry
Hammer=hammer=hammare=vasara
rennen=running=löpning=juoksu
There was an other thread with the sentence (or close):
Ich bin hier = I am here = jag är här = olen täällä
Just pronounce the finnish words as nothing you have pronounced before and you wont be any closer. It´s quite fascinating to live in a bilingual community with two languages of such different, well, everything.
Dec 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM
p.8 #8Beware Radioactive Lenses
Aaron D wrote:
Some of us are more sensitive to it than others. I swear I can "hear" the radio waves emitted from my wireless access point. It is in my daughters' room on the other side of the wall from where I sleep. If I turn it off, I can't hear it, but when it is on, it is like a mild case of tinnitus but I can actually "hear" the various tones of the "data" flowing. It creeps me out a bit, although I only hear it when the house is otherwise silent, just before I fall asleep.What you're hearing is probably high frequency noise from ICs or transistors, similar to the high frequency noise some of us can hear being emitted from the flyback transformer in a CRT monitor or older tube TV.
Believe me, you can't hear the RF being produced in 2.4GHz or 5GHz RF spectrums. If you can, you should be working for the military. You would also be able to "hear" your cordless phones and microwave at work in these ranges, especially the microwave since it produces approximately 1000x the RF of the most powerful wireless router.
On another note, there is another...Show more →
Hmmm...Perhaps you should state that that is only in American English as we are more likely to call them "cling ons".
cogitech wrote
AhamB wrote
I'm not particularly concerned with damaging my health in this respect because I hardly ever use a cellphone (I'm not on the road much, so don't need one), but whenever I do, I do get a strange feeling in my head and I'm convinced it's not a placebo effect.Believe me, you can't hear the RF being produced in 2.4GHz or 5GHz RF spectrums. If you can, you should be working for the military. You would also be able to "hear" your cordless phones and microwave at work in these ranges, especially the microwave since it produces approximately 1000x the RF of the most powerful wireless router.
On another note, there is another...Show more →
Hmmm...Perhaps you should state that that is only in American English as we are more likely to call them "cling ons".
Dec 19, 2010 at 01:28 PM
p.8 #9Beware Radioactive Lenses
AhamB wrote:
I think you shouldn't be able to hear HF noise from IC's or transistors. If there is no mechanical vibration, there can't be sound. Transformers and capactors in things like power supplies you can hear, if they are not properly "glued" to stop their vibrations.
I used to be able to hear my old Powerbook when the CPU was cranking. Something was vibrating at audio frequencies. It was very easy to hear. And annoying.
I can also hear the ~16 khz tone that is emitted from CRT televisions that aaron mentioned. It drives me nuts. I would imagine most people can, though a lot of people's hearing is not that sensitive at 16 khz. I can usually hear it from a room or two away. And no, I'm not hearing some other non-audio phenomenon - it's definitely audio and I've seen it on recordings I've done. I would imagine most people who have done audio for video/film are familiar with it.
I think you shouldn't be able to hear HF noise from IC's or transistors. If there is no mechanical vibration, there can't be sound. Transformers and capactors in things like power supplies you can hear, if they are not properly "glued" to stop their vibrations.
I used to be able to hear my old Powerbook when the CPU was cranking. Something was vibrating at audio frequencies. It was very easy to hear. And annoying.
I can also hear the ~16 khz tone that is emitted from CRT televisions that aaron mentioned. It drives me nuts. I would imagine most people can, though a lot of people's hearing is not that sensitive at 16 khz. I can usually hear it from a room or two away. And no, I'm not hearing some other non-audio phenomenon - it's definitely audio and I've seen it on recordings I've done. I would imagine most people who have done audio for video/film are familiar with it.
Dec 19, 2010 at 02:01 PM
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kidtexas wrote:
I used to be able to hear my old Powerbook when the CPU was cranking. Something was vibrating at audio frequencies. It was very easy to hear. And annoying.
that would be the cpu fan.
I can also hear the ~16 khz tone that is emitted from CRT televisions that aaron mentioned. It drives me nuts. I would imagine most people can, though a lot of people's hearing is not that sensitive at 16 khz. I can usually hear it from a room or two away. And no, I'm not hearing some other non-audio phenomenon - it's definitely audio and I've seen it on recordings I've done. I would imagine most people who have done audio for video/film are familiar with it.
yup it's real, high frequency is the first to go though. just listen to a lot of loud music and it will go away.
I used to be able to hear my old Powerbook when the CPU was cranking. Something was vibrating at audio frequencies. It was very easy to hear. And annoying.
that would be the cpu fan.
I can also hear the ~16 khz tone that is emitted from CRT televisions that aaron mentioned. It drives me nuts. I would imagine most people can, though a lot of people's hearing is not that sensitive at 16 khz. I can usually hear it from a room or two away. And no, I'm not hearing some other non-audio phenomenon - it's definitely audio and I've seen it on recordings I've done. I would imagine most people who have done audio for video/film are familiar with it.
yup it's real, high frequency is the first to go though. just listen to a lot of loud music and it will go away.
Dec 19, 2010 at 02:05 PM
p.8 #11Beware Radioactive Lenses
kidtexas wrote:
I used to be able to hear my old Powerbook when the CPU was cranking. Something was vibrating at audio frequencies. It was very easy to hear. And annoying.
I can also hear the ~16 khz tone that is emitted from CRT televisions that aaron mentioned.
I believe you and I've had similar experiences, but it's just not the CPU itself that you're hearing. When your CPU is using more power there's other components that provide/regulate the power, which you're probably hearing.
I used to be able to hear my old Powerbook when the CPU was cranking. Something was vibrating at audio frequencies. It was very easy to hear. And annoying.
I can also hear the ~16 khz tone that is emitted from CRT televisions that aaron mentioned.
I believe you and I've had similar experiences, but it's just not the CPU itself that you're hearing. When your CPU is using more power there's other components that provide/regulate the power, which you're probably hearing.
Dec 19, 2010 at 02:11 PM
p.8 #12Beware Radioactive Lenses
I didn't say it was the CPU. Just something in the laptop.
It wasn't the fan either.
It wasn't the fan either.
Dec 19, 2010 at 02:29 PM
p.8 #13Beware Radioactive Lenses
kidtexas wrote:
I didn't say it was the CPU. Just something in the laptop.
It wasn't the fan either.
powerbooks of a certain vintage were famous for a high pitched whine when the fan went to high speed. i think it was due to fan vibration because it didn't sound anything like normal fan noise, but it went away when i replaced the cpu fan on mine with a different model (that was a huge pain in the *ss to do myself).
I didn't say it was the CPU. Just something in the laptop.
It wasn't the fan either.
powerbooks of a certain vintage were famous for a high pitched whine when the fan went to high speed. i think it was due to fan vibration because it didn't sound anything like normal fan noise, but it went away when i replaced the cpu fan on mine with a different model (that was a huge pain in the *ss to do myself).
Dec 19, 2010 at 02:47 PM
p.8 #14Beware Radioactive Lenses
Alf Beharie wrote:
Hmmm...Perhaps you should state that that is only in American English as we are more likely to call them "cling ons".
Nope. I've never heard a fellow American use the word tagnut...besides myself anyways.
sebboh wrote:
yup it's real, high frequency is the first to go though. just listen to a lot of loud music and it will go away.
I've been quite fortunate. When I was younger, I used to be involved in SPL car audio competitions. I regularly subjected myself to SPL levels of around 140-145 dB from my own car stereo, without hearing protection. I'm now 34. While I've noticed some slight degradation in hearing in my right ear, I'm able to barely hear the high frequency used by my neighbors "no bark" dog device. Nobody else I know can hear it. Guess I'm lucky.
Aaron D wrote
On another note, there is another similarity of two words in the British and English language. Zagnut and tagnut. One is a yummy candy bar, the other is something you want nothing to do with. Nope. I've never heard a fellow American use the word tagnut...besides myself anyways.
sebboh wrote:
yup it's real, high frequency is the first to go though. just listen to a lot of loud music and it will go away.
I've been quite fortunate. When I was younger, I used to be involved in SPL car audio competitions. I regularly subjected myself to SPL levels of around 140-145 dB from my own car stereo, without hearing protection. I'm now 34. While I've noticed some slight degradation in hearing in my right ear, I'm able to barely hear the high frequency used by my neighbors "no bark" dog device. Nobody else I know can hear it. Guess I'm lucky.
Dec 19, 2010 at 03:14 PM
p.8 #15Beware Radioactive Lenses
1. ad ionizing radiation and dna the best analogy I have ever heard was from Karl Z Morgan : ionizing radiation acts towards cell DNA like a shotgun going off in a library. Most shots miss the letters, and when they take out a letter, in most cases, the librarian will understand what was there. But in some cases the meaning cannot be reliably ascertained and the dna cannot be reliably replicated. Hence the linear dose-response hypothesis. The "librarian" may not be quite awake sone nothing much ever happens , or very busy , so the cell repair mechanisms may possibly respond in an non-linear fashion. The jury may still be out on this, but my knowledge of these matters is ancient and always was rudimentary.
The result may be innocuous, illness or evolution. The shots may be few and far between like background radiation or more targetted. (remember the square root law of distance). So, for the Thorium elements in a lens, do not fuse them with your glasses and wear the contraption around the clock, but at the usual distance, not that much extra radiation.
2. Linguistics is rather interesting. I assume that some of American idiom hails from "fossilized" English. The US- pronounciation of "R", however sounds like Irish English, so maybe the navvies set the tone?. "Fossilized" French certainly exists in North America, -as I discovered once when paddling up to the Canadian end of lake Memphremagog.
You will find a treasure trove of discussions on how various languages and genetypes moved around the world at dna-forums.com. Especially erudite, "Jean"s the peopling of europe, but also heated discussions on where the Celts came from, whether Normans were cryptofrisians etc. DO have your scientific citations and references in order if you venture into discussions there.
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The result may be innocuous, illness or evolution. The shots may be few and far between like background radiation or more targetted. (remember the square root law of distance). So, for the Thorium elements in a lens, do not fuse them with your glasses and wear the contraption around the clock, but at the usual distance, not that much extra radiation.
2. Linguistics is rather interesting. I assume that some of American idiom hails from "fossilized" English. The US- pronounciation of "R", however sounds like Irish English, so maybe the navvies set the tone?. "Fossilized" French certainly exists in North America, -as I discovered once when paddling up to the Canadian end of lake Memphremagog.
You will find a treasure trove of discussions on how various languages and genetypes moved around the world at dna-forums.com. Especially erudite, "Jean"s the peopling of europe, but also heated discussions on where the Celts came from, whether Normans were cryptofrisians etc. DO have your scientific citations and references in order if you venture into discussions there.
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Dec 19, 2010 at 03:26 PM
p.8 #16Beware Radioactive Lenses
OK, here's a question for the Europeans out there. Is there an equivalent in German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, etc. to the English practice of creating names that have another meaning, such as Phil McCracken, Ben Dover, Heywood Jablomy, Harry Krak, Al Kohalik, etc.?
Dec 19, 2010 at 06:21 PM
p.8 #17Beware Radioactive Lenses
Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick, kind of thing? I'll leave the vaters etc. alone, in return for some reassurance that the Contax 21mm will not nuke me after a year or two...
Dec 19, 2010 at 08:13 PM
p.8 #18Beware Radioactive Lenses
philip_pj wrote:
Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick, kind of thing? I'll leave the vaters etc. alone, in return for some reassurance that the Contax 21mm will not nuke me after a year or two...
Forgot about those happy fellows
The CZ 21... It's safe.
Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick, kind of thing? I'll leave the vaters etc. alone, in return for some reassurance that the Contax 21mm will not nuke me after a year or two...
Forgot about those happy fellows The CZ 21... It's safe.
Dec 19, 2010 at 08:43 PM
p.8 #19Beware Radioactive Lenses
cogitech wrote:
OK, here's a question for the Europeans out there. Is there an equivalent in German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, etc. to the English practice of creating names that have another meaning, such as Phil McCracken, Ben Dover, Heywood Jablomy, Harry Krak, Al Kohalik, etc.?
Hirsch heisse ich
"Sie war gut zu Vögeln und anderen Kleintieren."
OK, here's a question for the Europeans out there. Is there an equivalent in German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, etc. to the English practice of creating names that have another meaning, such as Phil McCracken, Ben Dover, Heywood Jablomy, Harry Krak, Al Kohalik, etc.?
Hirsch heisse ich
"Sie war gut zu Vögeln und anderen Kleintieren."
Dec 19, 2010 at 09:08 PM
p.8 #20Beware Radioactive Lenses
Lotusm50 wrote:
Except that it had not "declined" and it had not "deteriorated"! It grew, expanded and improved. It became easier to use and express one's self -- quite the opposite of that definition. Anyone who thinks that modern English is less functional, less expressive, less able to convey one's thoughts and meaning than Old West Germanic Saxon is truly smoking something.
unless you are fluent in both I don't expect you to follow what I am saying
would you call it an improvement if we started to talk like this?
me no no wat u sain
or she dont care
that is where american english is heading..."streamlined" you might say
Except that it had not "declined" and it had not "deteriorated"! It grew, expanded and improved. It became easier to use and express one's self -- quite the opposite of that definition. Anyone who thinks that modern English is less functional, less expressive, less able to convey one's thoughts and meaning than Old West Germanic Saxon is truly smoking something.
unless you are fluent in both I don't expect you to follow what I am saying
would you call it an improvement if we started to talk like this?
me no no wat u sain
or she dont care
that is where american english is heading..."streamlined" you might say
Dec 19, 2010 at 09:27 PM