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p.1 #1Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
Hi all,
1st post here, but I have been looking around here for a while and it is a great resource!
Anyway, I have been reading several threads around the Leica R 28 v1 and v2 and it is making me wonder if I made the right descision when I picked up this lens.
I got this for $450 with the caps and hood and it is a very nice lens, looks almost new except small flaw in the lens coating center. Do you think it was a fair price?
How much difference between the v1 and v2 versions of this lens? Would I be better off just shooting my canon 17-55 2.8 IS at 28mm? How does the v1 compare with the canon 28 1.8? Should I sell this lens and save up to get the 28 v2? I plan on shooting my 60D until the 5Diii comes out and then I hope to use my leica primes as my main lenses (35 summicron v1, 50 summicron e55, 60 elmarit macro, 90 summicron).
I also got a leica polarizer with the lens for another $50 (fits inside the hood).
If you do say sell, how much do tou think the lens, hood, and polarizer are worth? Can I get $500 for them (or could they be worth more).
Thanks again!!
One more thing, I got this perfect mint - 50 summicron e55 for $400
at the same time (with box). Decent deal?
1st post here, but I have been looking around here for a while and it is a great resource!
Anyway, I have been reading several threads around the Leica R 28 v1 and v2 and it is making me wonder if I made the right descision when I picked up this lens.
I got this for $450 with the caps and hood and it is a very nice lens, looks almost new except small flaw in the lens coating center. Do you think it was a fair price?
How much difference between the v1 and v2 versions of this lens? Would I be better off just shooting my canon 17-55 2.8 IS at 28mm? How does the v1 compare with the canon 28 1.8? Should I sell this lens and save up to get the 28 v2? I plan on shooting my 60D until the 5Diii comes out and then I hope to use my leica primes as my main lenses (35 summicron v1, 50 summicron e55, 60 elmarit macro, 90 summicron).
I also got a leica polarizer with the lens for another $50 (fits inside the hood).
If you do say sell, how much do tou think the lens, hood, and polarizer are worth? Can I get $500 for them (or could they be worth more).
Thanks again!!
One more thing, I got this perfect mint - 50 summicron e55 for $400
at the same time (with box). Decent deal?
Nov 06, 2010 at 10:16 PM
p.1 #2Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
The v.2 is of a different optical formula and much improved over he first iteration. It is in fact thought to be the sharpest 28mm SLR lens ever made. V.1 isn't a bad lens, it simply isn't exemplary. V.2 will fetch from $1200-1600.
Nov 06, 2010 at 10:34 PM
p.1 #3Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
j.liam's right, but, you have the lens. Shoot with it, see for yourself if it's a keeper. And that price is about average for that 50 'cron.
Nov 06, 2010 at 11:09 PM
p.1 #4Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
The V1 28mm is not a very good performer - very, very curved focus plane which means for landscape the edges on distant objects are never very sharp - could be good for interiors where sharpness in near objects close to the frame is important though. Much, much better offereings for lmuch ess money from Olympus, Nikon and Contax of that era. Maybe sell it to a collector if it's mint as they are unlikley to actualy use it........
Nov 07, 2010 at 03:54 AM
p.1 #5Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
Ok, thanks for the information. I will sell both lenses and see if I can get an Elmarit R 28 V2 instead. I have an older summicron R that was my grandfather's I can use instead. Not quite as sharp wide open, but still plenty nice.
Nov 07, 2010 at 04:13 PM
p.1 #6Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
I have at the moment both v1 and v2 (actually, two of those, 3-cam and ROM). v2 is by all means a much better lens (amazing actually), but that does not mean that the v1 is bad! In fact, when I had only it, I still preferred it over Contax 28/2.8 because of its character and because I would get more shots in focus with it.
Nov 08, 2010 at 09:08 PM
p.1 #7Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
The trouble is that the v.2 IS so amazing that it overshadows all others, including the CY 28, Nikkor 28's (f/2 & 2.8) as well as (IMHO) the ZF 2/28. All notably excellent performers but not quite in the same league as the Leica.
Nov 08, 2010 at 10:02 PM
p.1 #8Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
hmm, well I really do like having the 28 for my normal lens. I have been shooting it a lot for street photography and family events and it is very nice compared to shooting a typical zoom (I shoot a 60D until the 5Diii comes out). We will see if I get any offers on these lenses I have. If I don't get offers for what I paid for them, I will just keep them. They are super nice condition so I hate to let them go!
The curved focus plane that was mentioned earlier will not be much of an issue for the kinds of shots that I am using it for mainly right?
The curved focus plane that was mentioned earlier will not be much of an issue for the kinds of shots that I am using it for mainly right?
Nov 08, 2010 at 10:42 PM
p.1 #9Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
If you're shooting a 1.6x crop sensor, it won't be as apparent. For a FF sensor, It probably won't do.
Nov 08, 2010 at 11:15 PM
p.1 #10Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
Nah, don't worry too much about the curvature. Here it is on 5D wide open, a quick snapshot:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2704/4292741543_5d5987118f_z.jpg
Of course it's not landscape so you can't really tell how curved focus pane is
But for street photography it shouldn't be that big of a problem. The good thing about this lens is even though it's pretty wide, the faces still look normal and not egg-like as with some other lenses I've tried.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2704/4292741543_5d5987118f_z.jpg
Of course it's not landscape so you can't really tell how curved focus pane is
But for street photography it shouldn't be that big of a problem. The good thing about this lens is even though it's pretty wide, the faces still look normal and not egg-like as with some other lenses I've tried.Nov 11, 2010 at 12:22 AM
p.1 #11Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
OK, you have me hooked. Serial #'s? How do I know I am bidding on a V2?
Nov 11, 2010 at 12:30 AM
p.1 #13Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
OK, I am officialy confused. Just saw a Leica 28/2.8 on eBay listed as 3 cam (which I assume is late version) with a serial # way below what you listed.
Nov 11, 2010 at 01:31 AM
p.1 #14Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
Some 3CAM lenses were the first version optical group - AFAIK it has to be labeled ROM and it definatley has to have the built in hood.
Nov 11, 2010 at 02:22 AM
p.1 #15Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
Elmarit-R 1:2,8 / 28 mm
First calculation 1970 - 1994
* Art.Nr. 1970 - 1985: 11204
* Art.Nr. 1985 - 1994: 11247
* 8 Linsen
* Blende 2.8 - 22
* 6 Blendenlamellen
* Naheinstellgrenze: 30 cm
* Länge: ca. 40 mm
* Größter Durchmesser: ca. 63 mm
* Gewicht: ca. 275 g
* Filter: Serie VII
Second calculation 1994 - ...
* Ab Seriennummer 3664831
* Ab 1998 mit/with ROM
* Art.Nr. 1994 - 1998: 11259
* Art.Nr. 1998 - ...: 11333
* Mit Floating-Element
* 8 Linsen in 7 Gruppen
* Exakte Brennweite: 28,5 mm
* Länge: ca. 48 mm
* Größter Durchmesser: ca. 67,5 mm
* Gewicht: ca. 435 g
* Filter: E55
First calculation 1970 - 1994
* Art.Nr. 1970 - 1985: 11204
* Art.Nr. 1985 - 1994: 11247
* 8 Linsen
* Blende 2.8 - 22
* 6 Blendenlamellen
* Naheinstellgrenze: 30 cm
* Länge: ca. 40 mm
* Größter Durchmesser: ca. 63 mm
* Gewicht: ca. 275 g
* Filter: Serie VII
Second calculation 1994 - ...
* Ab Seriennummer 3664831
* Ab 1998 mit/with ROM
* Art.Nr. 1994 - 1998: 11259
* Art.Nr. 1998 - ...: 11333
* Mit Floating-Element
* 8 Linsen in 7 Gruppen
* Exakte Brennweite: 28,5 mm
* Länge: ca. 48 mm
* Größter Durchmesser: ca. 67,5 mm
* Gewicht: ca. 435 g
* Filter: E55
Nov 11, 2010 at 05:22 AM
p.1 #16Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
The second version has built-in retracting hood. The first version, shown above, has a separate hood and 2 metal pins in front of the lens to retain it.
Nov 11, 2010 at 07:17 AM
p.1 #18Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
I took the 28 out a couple of times with the 5Dii and a photodiox pro chipped adapter.
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Nov 12, 2010 at 09:52 PM
p.1 #19Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
OK, here is a comparo between the Elmarit R 28 (with Leica Polarizer) and the Canon 24-105 F4L IS @28mm. I have the Elmarit at higher ISO to compensate for the polarizer (vs the 24-105). Both shots at F8 @1/60th It would be easier to compare if the exposure mathced better I suppose. Test Images were taken with a 5Dii and crops are taken with the snipping tool as i viewed them in lightroom. Anyway, they seemed pretty darn close to each other in sharpness as far as I can tell.
Full Shots:
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Elmarit R:
24-105 F4L IS:
Full Shots:
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Elmarit R:
24-105 F4L IS:
Nov 12, 2010 at 11:53 PM
p.1 #20Leica 28mm Elmarit R V1
More Elmarit R 28 shots at F11.
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Nov 13, 2010 at 12:37 AM