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p.7 #1 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Αll good.
Now to wait until spring 2011



Sep 20, 2010 at 08:25 AM
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p.7 #2 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


hi Eric,

thx, but i have several RF of this and equal for film.

I really miss this focal length with high aperture.
in the 70ies there where several cameras with it.
every company offered one (except nikon?)

on my holidays a shot 90% of all pictures
with my 5D and 40mm 2.0 ultron.
and i had other great lens with me ...

so still waiting ...

;-)

r





Edited on Sep 20, 2010 at 08:42 AM · View previous versions



Sep 20, 2010 at 08:29 AM
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p.7 #3 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


It's got to be 1/2 the price of the comparable Leica X1.
Rumors have it that Leica will be introducing the speculated "R solution" over the next week or two; it seems like an EVIL camera. Allegedly a FF device with new lenses and ? adapters for R lenses. So hold on to your depreciating US dollars and euros for just a bit longer...



Sep 20, 2010 at 08:40 AM
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p.7 #4 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !




http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/mark_dubovoys_photokina_blog.shtml

"The X100, which is reported to cost about the same as the Leica X1 at some US $1,700 when it becomes available early in 2011"




Sep 20, 2010 at 08:54 AM
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p.7 #5 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


j.liam wrote:
It's got to be 1/2 the price of the comparable Leica X1.


I'd choose it over the X1 any day, at the same price. One stop faster and built-in VF is worth a lot.



Sep 20, 2010 at 08:55 AM
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chrisnyee wrote:
I disagree that the Leica X1 is a truly pocketable camera, maybe a large jacket pocket, but then hey, my Olympus 35SP has always fit in my jacket pockets too.


The X1 fits without problems into a (regular sized) pocket of my pants. Not as comfortably as a mobile phone but it fits. You won't forget about having it in your pocket so it's not something you want to carry around all day in that way but not a problem when you go out on a walk. The external optical viewfinder if attached can make it a bit awkward to remove the camera from the pocket but again it's still relatively practical.


Makten wrote:
I'd choose it over the X1 any day, at the same price. One stop faster and built-in VF is worth a lot.


I would probably not. You are right about one stop faster and the optical VF but it's too big for me. With that size you might as well go with an M9 (or M8). Also there is the question of lens quality. With the X1 you are basically just paying for the lens (a standalone Leica 24/2.8 Elmarit-M lens costs more than the X1).

I cannot be critical enough of the X1 for its poor AF performance, for its crappy LCD and so on. The list could be very long. Unfortunately even if the Olympus does a better job on all those points (and that should not be hard to achieve) it still fails in the size department.



Sep 20, 2010 at 09:13 AM
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p.7 #7 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Am M9 is going to be one heck of a lot more expensive though, it's not just the size thing..


Sep 20, 2010 at 09:26 AM
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p.7 #8 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Hopefully, it will meet the high standards of (image) quality with this hype

Dont have much budget, but after using Sigma DP1s for 2 months... now I can understand the craze for these beauties...
(Looking at eye popping 11x14 prints of Sigma captures.....)



Sep 20, 2010 at 09:51 AM
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p.7 #9 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


I want to know what this thing will be like for manual focusing... That and the actual price point. Even if this ends up not being right for me, at least the manufacturers are moving in the right direction though.


Sep 20, 2010 at 09:57 AM
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p.7 #10 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


denoir wrote:
The X1 fits without problems into a (regular sized) pocket of my pants. Not as comfortably as a mobile phone but it fits. You won't forget about having it in your pocket so it's not something you want to carry around all day in that way but not a problem when you go out on a walk. The external optical viewfinder if attached can make it a bit awkward to remove the camera from the pocket but again it's still relatively practical.


I suppose we can agree to disagree then, but to me, if it isn't practical, or comfortable in my pocket it won't go there.



Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58 AM
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p.7 #11 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


helimat wrote:
I want to know what this thing will be like for manual focusing... That and the actual price point. Even if this ends up not being right for me, at least the manufacturers are moving in the right direction though.


I wouldn't be surprised at all if it has a loose feel to the MF, like so many other AF lenses nowadays. But hey if its a nice dampened feel, then more power to Fuji



Sep 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM
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p.7 #12 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Benvision wrote:


http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/mark_dubovoys_photokina_blog.shtml

"The X100, which is reported to cost about the same as the Leica X1 at some US $1,700 when it becomes available early in 2011"



Pricing it at the X1's pricepoint may be a hard sell for Fuji.



Sep 20, 2010 at 10:14 AM
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p.7 #13 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


This is the camera I have been waiting for for 4 years. I am only shocked no other manufacturer hasn't done this sooner. And I greatly hope the implementation is as pure are these previews. POarticular kudos to the 35mm equivalent f2 lens. Just think, "real" bokeh from a compact! Thank you FUJI!!!


Sep 20, 2010 at 10:21 AM
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p.7 #14 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Better to make it and charge a lot than to not make it and say that no one would buy it.


Sep 20, 2010 at 10:24 AM
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p.7 #15 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Here's a contrarian view. $1800-2000 for a non-interchangeable lens body won't be the easiest sell. Someone asked above why not an F mount. That would have made it quite compelling. The lens and sensor will have to be something of legend for me to get trapped at 35mm for that steep an entry fee.


Sep 20, 2010 at 12:06 PM
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p.7 #16 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


It doesn't make a lot of sense to put a DSLR mount on a mirrorless camera, because the registration distances are so different.


Sep 20, 2010 at 12:13 PM
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p.7 #17 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


douglasf13 wrote:
It doesn't make a lot of sense to put a DSLR mount on a mirrorless camera, because the registration distances are so different.



Excellent point. Could an adapter solve this problem? If they just made the lens removable couldn't that open up a secondary market?



Sep 20, 2010 at 12:21 PM
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p.7 #18 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


I just read over on that other forum that the X100 will debut at about $USD 1,700.00

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&thread=36380490

Yikes...



Sep 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM
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p.7 #19 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


deadwolfbones wrote:
Fixed lens is pretty ballsy.


Indeed. In fact it heavily dissuades me from purchasing it over a micro 4/3 camera.

$1700, I think I'll most certainly pass.



Sep 20, 2010 at 12:52 PM
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p.7 #20 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Fuji was able to make this camera much more compact by using a fixed lens. If you look at the lens diagram, many of the lens elements are actually in the camera body itself, and the last element is very close to the CMOS. So, while it looks like the lens is a very compact pancake, Fuji actually used a bit of an optical illusion to keep the camera proportions looking nice. If Fuji decides to make a similar camera with interchangeable lenses, a 35mm (equivalent) F2 with similar performance would be much larger. Add in the special sensor tuning for the fixed lens, and I think it is a compromise that I'm okay with, if the lens performance is stellar.

Ultimately, though, I do agree that an interchangeable lens version of this camera would be awesome.

p.s. Sony did a similar thing with the R1 lens. At first glance, it looks like the lens of the R1 is only a few inches long, but, in reality, the lens makes up most of the camera body:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/4817011382_c87e5b8df2.jpg



Sep 20, 2010 at 12:56 PM
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