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p.18 #1 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


At least the rear LCD and vf show a distance scale, which is better than nothing. Distance scales are one of the main reasons I prefer using manual lenses on my NEX-5.


Sep 30, 2010 at 09:01 AM
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p.18 #2 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


v_roma wrote:
Misere[re],

Has the focus by wire ring been confirmed somewhere? I think the lack of a distance scale on the focus ring almost implies it will be a focus by wire system but I'm wondering if this has been officially confirmed or confirmed by someone who's personally handled the camera.

Thank you,
Roma


I suppose that if you want 100% certainty, we don't have it. While people at Photokina have confirmed a free-turning focus ring, because there was no sensor in those cameras it was not possible for anyone to test manual focusing.

Given today's technology trends (and I imagine Fuji is looking to the future with this camera) I am 99.99% certain manual focus will be by wire.



Sep 30, 2010 at 09:29 AM
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douglasf13 wrote:
At least the rear LCD and vf show a distance scale, which is better than nothing. Distance scales are one of the main reasons I prefer using manual lenses on my NEX-5.


Actually, with a bit of firmware programming they could be even better than distance scales on lenses. All Fuji need to add to the scale is the near and far distances for the DoF at your given settings. If they have a white bar indicating the DoF, then they already have the numbers, all they need to do is display them.



Sep 30, 2010 at 09:32 AM
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douglasf13 wrote:
Distance scales are one of the main reasons I prefer using manual lenses ...


part of a dying breed you and I...
do you also suffer from any other nostalgic outdated habits, like, I dont know, maybe bringing the camera to your eye? a bias towards optical viewfinders? Changing settings before you turn the camera on?



Sep 30, 2010 at 09:33 AM
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Spyro P. wrote:
part of a dying breed you and I...
do you also suffer from any other nostalgic outdated habits, like, I dont know, maybe bringing the camera to your eye? a bias towards optical viewfinders? Changing settings before you turn the camera on?


You guys are so old skool. How rad, yo! ;-)



Sep 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM
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p.18 #6 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Count me in among the old schoolers/dying breed. I have even been known to use two hands from time to time.


Sep 30, 2010 at 02:24 PM
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My favorite old-school habit: hooking one's thumb around the advance lever, the better to carry the camera. Works best without a giant zoom hanging off the front. The X100 isn't quite that retro, although Epson's R-D1 has bragging rights. Digital M users fake it with Thumbs Up.


Sep 30, 2010 at 04:00 PM
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p.18 #8 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Just cleaning out a few more memorycards from Photokina. As far as I remember the focusing felt strange, but that does not necessarily mean focus by wire. The focusing helicoid (and the moving elements) of the camera will be very small, and very light. The slightly detached feeling might be just a slightly too viscous damping grease.

What I DO remember is that I was surprised by the size. It's actually a lot larger than the pictures would suggest - just like the Samsung NX100.

http://ezpicshare.com/images/dsc2845.jpg
http://ezpicshare.com/images/dsc2849icc.jpg
http://ezpicshare.com/images/dsc2854.jpg
http://ezpicshare.com/images/dsc2855.jpg



Sep 30, 2010 at 07:17 PM
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It is really interesting since the slam dunk of the Fuji X100 in Photokina, a lot of the majors have gone very quite. No leaks about any FF updates to the D700 II or the 5DIII or even the 1DsIV which should be due. It would almost seem the larger manufacturers are reassessing their direction/s.


Sep 30, 2010 at 07:41 PM
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It's not a slam dunk until the sales figures start trickling in. But the probability is very high that it will sell ok.


Sep 30, 2010 at 07:46 PM
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charles.K wrote:
It is really interesting since the slam dunk of the Fuji X100 in Photokina, a lot of the majors have gone very quite. No leaks about any FF updates to the D700 II or the 5DIII or even the 1DsIV which should be due. It would almost seem the larger manufacturers are reassessing their direction/s.

How do you expect any big announcements like an update of the majors' best selling FF cameras? It's only been a week since Photokina!



Oct 01, 2010 at 01:28 AM
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i'll call it a slam dunk once it's been tested and given glowing reviews; for now, it's a pretty-shelled prototype that will be entering a field with increasingly-stiff competition.




Oct 01, 2010 at 02:10 AM
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I'd call it a slam dunk because it essentially stole the show so to speak. It seems to have gotten the most online buzz of all the announcements, possibly because it was so unexpected as well as it's obvious attractiveness.


Oct 01, 2010 at 05:26 AM
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Not trying to start an argument here, just playing devil's advocate, I guess.

To me, this camera looks stunning. I love the look and the lens. The 35mm focal length is a favorite of mine and the f/2 on that APS sensor will produce nice OOF backgrounds (I hope).

The thing that bothers me about this is that with all of the interchangeable options (m4/3, NEX, potential Canon and Nikon options), this camera seems a bit crippled from the start. Perhaps an APS-C camera with a kit 35 f/2 lens and a couple more on the way would have been a better entry.

If these guesses of a $1400-2000 price are anywhere near being correct, Fuji can go ahead and scratch this one off the list. I haven't seen sales figures for the Leica, but I'm guessing it's not flying off the shelves at that price. And the Fuji would be equally as undesirable at that price point. In my opinion, even $800-1000 seems like an awful lot when, for half that, you can get an Olympus m4/3 camera body and make up the difference with lenses. Understandably, that solution wouldn't be as compact as this camera, but it offers much more flexibility.

I think the smaller offerings from Ricoh (GR Digital), Sigma (DP), Panasonic (LX) and Canon (S90/95) among others are really the more premium pocketable options. To me, this camera just seems like an expensive fixed lens alternative to the GF1, EPL1 and Sony NEX offerings.

It's too early to tell, but at anything over $1000, I'll definitely pass and at anything over $700, I'll really have to see that this camera is second-to-none.




Oct 01, 2010 at 08:32 AM
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p.18 #15 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


It's been confirmed at $1k.
It's a single lens because the lens and sensor are optimized for one another, and to do that for a lens system would increase costs.



Oct 01, 2010 at 09:36 AM
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cgiff wrote:
It's been confirmed at $1k.
It's a single lens because the lens and sensor are optimized for one another, and to do that for a lens system would increase costs.


I guess it makes sense to optimize everything to get the best image quality possible, but then again, I shoot with a Canon 5D (original) and a whole bag full of lenses (see my Profile for the list if you care to) and they all work very well.

Ricoh did something similar with the GXR. Sealed lens/sensor kits optimized for each other and you just snap them into the grip. Genius if you ask me, but way over-priced at this point.

I still think interchangeability would be more valuable than optimization of sensor and lens.



Oct 01, 2010 at 09:41 AM
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It is unofficial gossip based on forum talk but a Fuji rep at Photokina said that they are testing the waters with the X100 and if it is a commercial sucess they will proceed with a system based on the x100 body and interchangable lenses. Which makes sense, I dont think they expected so many people to be so interested in such a camera.


Oct 01, 2010 at 09:45 AM
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Matthewm
I don't believe that this camera was designed to replace your 5D
This camera is aim at the semi pro of serious photographer, that
has no problem spending $1800 on a new nikon 35mm 1.4 or $2200 on the 24mm f1.4
And is going to be a very good companion for my D700



Oct 01, 2010 at 10:38 AM
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matthewm wrote:
I guess it makes sense to optimize everything to get the best image quality possible, but then again, I shoot with a Canon 5D (original) and a whole bag full of lenses (see my Profile for the list if you care to) and they all work very well.

Yeah, things are easier when the rear element is further from the film.
http://bophoto.typepad.com/bophoto/2009/02/rangefinder-lenses-are-not-slr-lenses.html

Don't get me wrong, I think it'd be interesting to have a whole system, but hopefully Fuji will focus on getting everything right with this camera, build a market, and then expand. Plus, for a camera like this it's not about buying 5 different lenses, it's about bringing one everywhere.



Oct 01, 2010 at 10:49 AM
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r.gil wrote:
Matthewm
I don't believe that this camera was designed to replace your 5D
This camera is aim at the semi pro of serious photographer, that
has no problem spending $1800 on a new nikon 35mm 1.4 or $2200 on the 24mm f1.4
And is going to be a very good companion for my D700


Right. I guess I can understand that, seeing as how I'm a GR Digital III user which has a similar niche market. Perhaps this camera will come in way under the $1400-2000 mark. At $700 I'd consider offloading my GR Digital to pick one of these up.

I just wish it were built with an interchangeable lens.

Can't wait to see samples from it. And, for the record, I'm not opposed to the camera at all. I just wanted to point out some of the more negative aspects I saw with it.



Oct 01, 2010 at 10:53 AM
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