Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.933 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Katie - 1, 2, 5 for me. Love how you were in the right place at the right time for that shaft of light!
Gary - Man that ZM25 looks great. I briefly tried one and was really impressed by it (which I may have already mentioned). What are your thoughts on it vs. the 21 SEM?
Allen - very nice that you can shoot B&W for jobs (assuming it was a job). He does look familiar, but I haven't watched that show...
Joakim - I agree with Gary, the tones look great in that image.
ricardovaste wrote:
No, I do follow Adam, they're commonly called the "corpse fruit" or something to that effect, aren't they?
I have used a small film RF camera for years as a personal camera. Stopped using it around a year ago, in favour of the RX1. But I've been reflecting recently and just haven't enjoyed using it so much, despite it being technically very capable. The M9, although damn old now, might fit quite well. Maybe. Who knows...
The files on imaging resource look very good, but they're all ISO160. Would be good to have some ISO800 and 1600 DNG files.
Funny you should ask here, because I just posted this in the "Leica starter kit" thread where you were also participating:
Regarding the M9 and higher ISOs... while grain tends to be a bit chunkier than current DSLR/mirrorless cameras, as Mike's examples show, it depends a lot on the quality of the light too. If it's a good broad spectrum light, you'll get good colors and relatively easy to handle files. If it's weird and/or mixed light, you might run into some trouble with odd, difficult to correct color casts.
Another aspect of the M9 and higher ISOs is that there really is very little benefit to setting higher ISOs in camera if you're shooting DNGs. This has been examined on various forums and also very carefully in controlled tests by Jim Kasson. Kasson's findings were that ISO 640 is about the highest in camera ISO setting where there remains a very slight edge compared to shooting at base ISO (160) and pushing the DNG in post. Beyond ISO 640, one is better off to leave the camera set at that ISO, or lower, and push the files in post. The general rule is to try to get the right exposure in-camera at the lowest ISO possible, but if it isn't feasible, set the shutter/aperture combination you need at push the file later. Due to the better noise reduction options in current software, you'll get better results than what the camera can provide directly. Another benefit to this approach is if you're in a situation where light intensity is somewhat variable and difficult to predict. Generally one would set a higher ISO to be on the safe side. Leaving the M9 at ISO 640, or lower, means you can individually push files just the amount each one needs. And depending on the conversion software, you could apply exposure tweaks to local areas of an image while leaving other areas, such as brighter spots that look good at the shot ISO. If you had instead set a higher ISO in camera, maybe the subject would be exposed OK, but those brighter areas might be blown out. And because the M9 is quite intolerant to blown highlights, you wouldn't be able to recover them in the manner that would be possible by pushing underexposed file selectively in post. The only benefit to shooting higher ISOs in camera is if you really need to review images on the camera's display, or must shoot Jpeg.
Additionally, if you're doing B&W conversions.... I simply desaturate to 100% in Lightroom, then after that, push the WB and tint sliders around a bit to tweak the tones. Then apply contrast, curve, clarity, etc... I find it also helps to get better, sharper grain by setting chroma NR to zero for B&W conversions. If you leave the chroma NR at a higher value, the grain will take on a waxier look.
Gary - Man that ZM25 looks great. I briefly tried one and was really impressed by it (which I may have already mentioned). What are your thoughts on it vs. the 21 SEM?
Allen - very nice that you can shoot B&W for jobs (assuming it was a job). He does look familiar, but I haven't watched that show...
Joakim - I agree with Gary, the tones look great in that image.
ricardovaste wrote:
No, I do follow Adam, they're commonly called the "corpse fruit" or something to that effect, aren't they?
I have used a small film RF camera for years as a personal camera. Stopped using it around a year ago, in favour of the RX1. But I've been reflecting recently and just haven't enjoyed using it so much, despite it being technically very capable. The M9, although damn old now, might fit quite well. Maybe. Who knows...
The files on imaging resource look very good, but they're all ISO160. Would be good to have some ISO800 and 1600 DNG files.
Funny you should ask here, because I just posted this in the "Leica starter kit" thread where you were also participating:
Regarding the M9 and higher ISOs... while grain tends to be a bit chunkier than current DSLR/mirrorless cameras, as Mike's examples show, it depends a lot on the quality of the light too. If it's a good broad spectrum light, you'll get good colors and relatively easy to handle files. If it's weird and/or mixed light, you might run into some trouble with odd, difficult to correct color casts.
Another aspect of the M9 and higher ISOs is that there really is very little benefit to setting higher ISOs in camera if you're shooting DNGs. This has been examined on various forums and also very carefully in controlled tests by Jim Kasson. Kasson's findings were that ISO 640 is about the highest in camera ISO setting where there remains a very slight edge compared to shooting at base ISO (160) and pushing the DNG in post. Beyond ISO 640, one is better off to leave the camera set at that ISO, or lower, and push the files in post. The general rule is to try to get the right exposure in-camera at the lowest ISO possible, but if it isn't feasible, set the shutter/aperture combination you need at push the file later. Due to the better noise reduction options in current software, you'll get better results than what the camera can provide directly. Another benefit to this approach is if you're in a situation where light intensity is somewhat variable and difficult to predict. Generally one would set a higher ISO to be on the safe side. Leaving the M9 at ISO 640, or lower, means you can individually push files just the amount each one needs. And depending on the conversion software, you could apply exposure tweaks to local areas of an image while leaving other areas, such as brighter spots that look good at the shot ISO. If you had instead set a higher ISO in camera, maybe the subject would be exposed OK, but those brighter areas might be blown out. And because the M9 is quite intolerant to blown highlights, you wouldn't be able to recover them in the manner that would be possible by pushing underexposed file selectively in post. The only benefit to shooting higher ISOs in camera is if you really need to review images on the camera's display, or must shoot Jpeg.
Additionally, if you're doing B&W conversions.... I simply desaturate to 100% in Lightroom, then after that, push the WB and tint sliders around a bit to tweak the tones. Then apply contrast, curve, clarity, etc... I find it also helps to get better, sharper grain by setting chroma NR to zero for B&W conversions. If you leave the chroma NR at a higher value, the grain will take on a waxier look.
Jun 05, 2014 at 09:22 PM
p.933 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thanks Ron and yes it was for a client.
Jun 05, 2014 at 09:53 PM
p.933 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Katie - very nice set. You capture the fun with your kids nicely.
Ron - thanks for the comments. I really love this ZM25. It certainly does live up to the hype of being uber sharp across the frame. For a landscape lens in this FL, I couldn't ask for much better. I think the main reason I like it is that it behaves so much like my 21SEM. It has a level of contast which matches the 21SEM and it seems to be equally sharp.
Allen - you are always mingling with these high rollers!
Ron - thanks for the comments. I really love this ZM25. It certainly does live up to the hype of being uber sharp across the frame. For a landscape lens in this FL, I couldn't ask for much better. I think the main reason I like it is that it behaves so much like my 21SEM. It has a level of contast which matches the 21SEM and it seems to be equally sharp.
Allen - you are always mingling with these high rollers!
Jun 05, 2014 at 10:15 PM
p.933 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
KP, very nice, and love the PP'ing treatment.
Gary, beautiful landscapes. The 50 Lux really shines The ZM 25 was an all time favorite of mine too. I traded it in when I acquired the 24 Lux, which I do regret. Really nice shots!
Edward, love your street work with the ZM 50!
Allen, amazing shots!
Katie, great variety of images! #1,2 and 5 for me too
Gary, beautiful landscapes. The 50 Lux really shines
The ZM 25 was an all time favorite of mine too. I traded it in when I acquired the 24 Lux, which I do regret. Really nice shots!Edward, love your street work with the ZM 50!
Allen, amazing shots!
Katie, great variety of images! #1,2 and 5 for me too
Jun 05, 2014 at 10:34 PM
p.933 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Slummin' it with the J-3.....
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Jun 05, 2014 at 10:45 PM
p.933 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
nothing like spring
L1013792 by unoh7, 28 cron f/11
L1013791 by unoh7, 28 cron f/2.4
Dang, I forgot my valet:
L1013948-3 by unoh7, 50 cron f/4.8
L1013910 by unoh7, 50 cron f/2.4
L1013844 by unoh7, SEM 21 f/4
alas my SEM 21 lens head is now really loose and goes off to DAG shortly.
L1013840 by unoh7, SEM 21 f/13
not bad straight into the sun
L1013878 by unoh7, 90 Lanthar f/8
L1013838 by unoh7, 21 SEM f/6.7
L1013826 by unoh7, 28/2 f/2.4
L1013829 by unoh7, 28/2 f/6.7
L1013792 by unoh7, 28 cron f/11
L1013791 by unoh7, 28 cron f/2.4
Dang, I forgot my valet:
L1013948-3 by unoh7, 50 cron f/4.8
L1013910 by unoh7, 50 cron f/2.4
L1013844 by unoh7, SEM 21 f/4
alas my SEM 21 lens head is now really loose and goes off to DAG shortly.
L1013840 by unoh7, SEM 21 f/13
not bad straight into the sun
L1013878 by unoh7, 90 Lanthar f/8
L1013838 by unoh7, 21 SEM f/6.7
L1013826 by unoh7, 28/2 f/2.4
L1013829 by unoh7, 28/2 f/6.7
Jun 05, 2014 at 11:19 PM
p.933 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Charlie - very nice set - sorry to hear your 21 needs servicing.
Gary - especially like the rendering in the first one
Some random shots from Toronto...
M240 and 50 Lux ASPH
Gary - especially like the rendering in the first one
Some random shots from Toronto...
M240 and 50 Lux ASPH
Jun 06, 2014 at 12:56 AM
p.933 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary - Looks like you managed to get a ZM18. Nice shots with it and the ZM25
Ron - Looks good, particularly like the last. I hadn't been using mine as much lately, but took it as my only M lens to Montreal last weekend and it was a pleasure to use.
Lots of other positive comments to give, but relying on the like button.
Ron - Looks good, particularly like the last. I hadn't been using mine as much lately, but took it as my only M lens to Montreal last weekend and it was a pleasure to use.
Lots of other positive comments to give, but relying on the like button.
Jun 06, 2014 at 01:28 AM
p.933 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
A7r + Noctilux 50mm f/1:
Self. by <insert screen name>, on Flickr
Self. by <insert screen name>, on Flickr
Jun 06, 2014 at 01:36 AM
p.933 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
"Allen - you are always mingling with these high rollers! "
Gary, Gotta mortgage to pay and more Leica's to buy.
"Gary, Gotta mortgage to pay and more Leica's to buy.
Jun 06, 2014 at 06:39 AM
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p.933 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
ricardovaste wrote:
No, I do follow Adam, they're commonly called the "corpse fruit" or something to that effect, aren't they?
I have used a small film RF camera for years as a personal camera. Stopped using it around a year ago, in favour of the RX1. But I've been reflecting recently and just haven't enjoyed using it so much, despite it being technically very capable. The M9, although damn old now, might fit quite well. Maybe. Who knows...
The files on imaging resource look very good, but they're all ISO160. Would be good to have some ISO800 and 1600 DNG files.
I just stored all my old HDDs, and I'm on a work trip in two days and haven't even packed yet, or I'd pull out some RAW files and toss them online.
I think if you love rangefinders you can always find joy in using an M9.. It's going to be a bit slow, but for most uses, it's a very capable camera, and now well worth the price. My only worry about buying a spare M9 is the repair times and troubles they're having with sensor replacements.
ISO is not fantastic, but it's not bad.
No, I do follow Adam, they're commonly called the "corpse fruit" or something to that effect, aren't they?
I have used a small film RF camera for years as a personal camera. Stopped using it around a year ago, in favour of the RX1. But I've been reflecting recently and just haven't enjoyed using it so much, despite it being technically very capable. The M9, although damn old now, might fit quite well. Maybe. Who knows...
The files on imaging resource look very good, but they're all ISO160. Would be good to have some ISO800 and 1600 DNG files.
I just stored all my old HDDs, and I'm on a work trip in two days and haven't even packed yet, or I'd pull out some RAW files and toss them online.
I think if you love rangefinders you can always find joy in using an M9.. It's going to be a bit slow, but for most uses, it's a very capable camera, and now well worth the price. My only worry about buying a spare M9 is the repair times and troubles they're having with sensor replacements.
ISO is not fantastic, but it's not bad.
Jun 06, 2014 at 01:16 PM
p.933 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
KatieInTexas wrote:
Edward: Je pense qu'il est beaucoup plus difficile que l'espagnol
Adam: While I don't have a hookup for Hermes, I do have an insider for Christian Louboutin shoes... I currently carry and Etro bag and a Lamberston Truex bag (not that anybody notices that stuff out here in the boonies...) For the Birkin, you almost need an insider. I would be very weary of fakes with the scarce availability of that bag.
Yeah, that's why I'm refusing to buy from a reseller (never know a fake).. That and the jacked up prices.
I'm sure your shoes and bags make you happy, thats all that counts right?!
Oh and don't forget the Leica around your neck!
Edward: Je pense qu'il est beaucoup plus difficile que l'espagnol
Adam: While I don't have a hookup for Hermes, I do have an insider for Christian Louboutin shoes... I currently carry and Etro bag and a Lamberston Truex bag (not that anybody notices that stuff out here in the boonies...) For the Birkin, you almost need an insider. I would be very weary of fakes with the scarce availability of that bag.
Yeah, that's why I'm refusing to buy from a reseller (never know a fake).. That and the jacked up prices.
I'm sure your shoes and bags make you happy, thats all that counts right?!
Oh and don't forget the Leica around your neck!
Jun 06, 2014 at 01:19 PM
p.933 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
A few more from a recent hike....
Wow Gary, can you adopt me, I wanna go on all these awesome family trips!
Nice shots as always BTW.
A few more from a recent hike....
Wow Gary, can you adopt me, I wanna go on all these awesome family trips!
Nice shots as always BTW.
Jun 06, 2014 at 01:20 PM
p.933 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Very eerie self portrait, Beetle!
More from Toronto's east waterfront area....
M240 & 50 Lux ASPH x2, CV35/1.2 v2, 28 Cron
More from Toronto's east waterfront area....
M240 & 50 Lux ASPH x2, CV35/1.2 v2, 28 Cron
Jun 06, 2014 at 05:28 PM
p.933 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
At Loyola Law School in Los Angeles (my alma mater) last night with my M Monochrom and the 24mm f/3.8 Elmar-ASPH. Orange filter, minimal post.
L1003842-Edit.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr
L1003848-Edit.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr
L1003842-Edit.jpg by Lawman1967, on FlickrL1003848-Edit.jpg by Lawman1967, on FlickrJun 06, 2014 at 05:32 PM
p.933 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Great shots guys and nice talk about Leica and other stuff....
28cron M9 at Zion, angle's landing, more to come later
and nice talk about Leica and other stuff....28cron M9 at Zion, angle's landing, more to come later
Jun 07, 2014 at 12:59 AM
p.933 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
On the way from Maloy to Torvik, early in the morning
Leica Monochrom and Apo-Summicron M 1:2 90 mm Asph. with B+W Yellow-Green Filter 060 1/750 sec f:6.7 ISO 320
Leica Monochrom and Apo-Summicron M 1:2 90 mm Asph. with B+W Yellow-Green Filter 060 1/750 sec f:6.7 ISO 320
Jun 07, 2014 at 05:50 AM
p.933 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Great photography from everyone! Sorry for not commenting individually, but I enjoyed each and every shot in the last couple of pages.
From today with the M240 and 25 Biogon. Camera shy subjects
L1000917 by edward karaa, on Flickr
From today with the M240 and 25 Biogon. Camera shy subjects
L1000917 by edward karaa, on FlickrJun 07, 2014 at 06:29 AM
p.933 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary and Edward, your images with ZM 25 look great. I should use mine more often! Here are few snaps for my morning walk today.
M9 with 75/2 APO
M9 with 75/2 APO
M9 with 135/3,4 APO
M9 with 135/3,4 APO
M9 with 135/3,4 APO
© ocean2059 2014
M9 with 75/2 APO
© ocean2059 2014
M9 with 75/2 APO
© ocean2059 2014
M9 with 135/3,4 APO
© ocean2059 2014
M9 with 135/3,4 APO
© ocean2059 2014
M9 with 135/3,4 APO
Jun 07, 2014 at 07:52 AM
p.933 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Into the sky. Zeiss trilogy with the 50 Planar, 18 Distagon and 25 Biogon
Jun 07, 2014 at 08:19 AM