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p.840 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Gary - great 21 SEM shots
asiafish - really liked shots 4 and 5 on the previous page.


I have just bought a 90 Cron APO to add to my 28 Cron and 50 Lux ASPH. It was $2199 from Adorama so I couldn't resist. Hopefully it's in reasonable condition, the guy on the phone assured me it was.

Also looking to add the 18 SEM and an M9 in the month or so. I see a lot of really great 21 SEM shots but I think I'll stick with the 18 SEM... purely to go as wide as possible (without going to the 16-18-21 which is too expensive for me).

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Jan 29, 2014 at 01:15 PM
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p.840 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Snow day:

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Jan 29, 2014 at 08:23 PM
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p.840 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Sure Ash, mention it now AFTER you've bought it for that price! That's pretty remarkable considering it's now around that much for the Summarit. Still one on the future acquisitions list, but probably not in the near future, even though Leonas is showing a lot of nice work with it. (I really like the dog photo.)

I think the consensus is the 18 isn't quite as perfectly remarkable as the 21 and 24, but it's up there too. Biggest pain might be the weird filter adapter, if you need to use filters much. The 21 and 24 at least use the standard 46mm.

Nice Doug - I've also been out looking for patterns in the snow...
Joakim - the first one, of the stairs, does it for me!
Katie - I especially like the B&W of the two portraits.
Andrew, that's quite a diverse set! Love the Sonnar rendering in some of those... reminds me I need to use my Opton Sonnar again.
Gary - good example of the SEM's transparent quality.
Charlie - very cool location! Surprised you were allowed to roam around on such short notice. Seems like the owner might be an eclectic individual!

I'm starting to give the M240 more serious consideration. Yesterday and today I went out for 3-4 hours down to the woods near home where there's a large wetlands area including a large frozen body of water. I was looking for patterns in the snowdrifts, etc... It was cold, under -10C and very windy. When I made the mistake to use my phone for 30 seconds bare handed, I could barely use my hand afterwards and it took 10-15 minutes to recover... But I was loving the blowing snow, kind of like sand dunes, but without having to worry about getting sand in the equipment and bags, etc. It was so peaceful too. While I was sitting out on the ice, shooting sequences of blowing snow, filling the buffer... the camera went unresponsive. I'd shot a sequence, so there must have been ~5 image in the buffer, but the red card activity LED was off. Had to pull the battery to regain functionality. I figured it was my fault because I broke my own rule reviewing images while the camera was writing to the card... So I stopped doing that, but the camera froze again every so often. It was getting frustrating. By the end of the walk, I could only shoot two photos, and the camera would not write the second to the card.

Today's conditions were very similar. My phone said it was -11 and it very windy again out on the open ice. Not so much sun for setting off the patterns in the snow, so I got off to a slow start shooting. Looking at today's images, I got off about 85 before the first lock-up happened. The second happened after 15 images. The third after five. the fourth after another five and the fifth happened two frames later. Kind of the same acceleration of freezes as yesterday.

So this is what happened....

Whether it's really a full buffer, or only a few images, the camera will show the three horizontal flashing LEDs that normally indicate a full buffer and writing to the card, but the regular exposure metering symbols never return to indicate free buffer space. I think the red light is still flashing during this.. or maybe it's not. I don't remember exactly. Pulling the battery resets the camera.

As the lock ups increased, I noticed it was a bit different. I'd shoot a frame and the card writing light would simply never light. The normal metering LED in the viewfinder stays on, never turning off and the shutter will not fire. Pulling the battery resets the camera.

After both of these kinds of lock-ups, I would turn on the camera and press the info button. The bar indicating available memory card space will show fully red and with zero frames available. This lasts for 5-10 seconds, then it seems to reset and shows the correct used and available card space. Earlier during the freezes yesterday I assumed there was a problem with the card and would pull it without waiting long enough for the camera to figure out the correct card usage. This ended up resetting the frame numbering a few hundred positions earlier. After I figured out to wait the 5-10 seconds, the renumber problem didn't happen again.

As an aside, the last time something like this happened, where I actually lost frames, was during a wedding. When I saw zero frames available after resetting the camera, I assumed the card was toast (which naturally got me quite worried). But now I think I realize that the camera scans the card and hits the last 'bad' frame that was lost when the camera froze, but is still referenced to on the card as a zero bytes 'ghost' file

After downloading the card via Photo Mechanic, there will be a zero bytes DNG file with the correct file name of the image that was lost each time the camera froze. Photo Mechanic puts these bad and unknown files into a separate folder.

I'm curious if anyone else has had similar or better experiences with the M9 in such cold conditions? Last winter around this time I spent 4-5 hours out during a very windy blizzard without any problems. As usual, I never made any attempt to protect the equipment, other than keeping the lenses in a satchel. The camera was out and around my neck the whole time. I noticed the shutter recocking sound would sometimes vary. Often it was normal but from time to time it would sound different... either slower or slightly different sounds.

Maybe my camera is simply wearing out? I'm not a typical contemplative, slow-paced rangefinder shooter, I guess. The camera is currently at near 143,000 shutter actuations, according to M9Info app.

M9Info also reports sensor temperature and I've noticed that the freezes all happen under -7C. Today the sensor temperature went only as low as -8 when I stopped the camera it out of frustration. Yesterday it reached -11 at the end of the walk. Not sure whether temperature is related or a coincidence...

I haven't been out in the cold much this winter, so I don't have much comparative data available. The coldest the sensor reached on other outings was -5 and the camera never had lock-ups. Looking at the images from the blizzard last winter, the sensor only went as low as -5... If it is temperature related, maybe I should tape a couple hand warmers to the body...

FWIW, while out these past couple days, I also had a loaner Sony RX10 with me... and I was surprised it made it through the cold A-OK. I only have one battery for it, and it was only down to 40% after 300 frames today. Not bad, considering it's a live view camera...

Here's one from yesterday; M9 & 28 Cron








Jan 29, 2014 at 08:29 PM
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p.840 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron, not reading all of what you wrote, but did you switch to a different SD card the second day?

Unlike you, my problems with lockups occured randomly but mostly when it was hot and humid. I can recall using my M9 once on an extended cold weather shoot, at temps -10 to -5C before windchill (and it was a windy day) and it was for over 6 hours of continuous shooting outdoors with camera exposed as I did not carry a bag. No lock ups and nothing bad happened to the camera, alas, the cold affected me more as I was sick for the next week

I can recall two distinct type of lockups on my M9:
(i) when writing to card with red LED flashing, if I try to play around with some buttons or try to switch off the camera before the RED light goes away, sometimes this causes the red LED to continue flashing and camera will freeze. Removing the battery solved the problem. This occurred throughout the life of the camera.
(ii) could well be a SD card problem or the M9 electronics. Sometime back, I bought a brand new SanDisk Ultra 32GB (30MB/s) card from B&H, formatted it, shot a few frames to make sure it worked and went out next day shooting on a hot summer day, after less than 30-40 shots, I got a memory card full error message. I was puzzled and could not understand why. I though it might be that I forgot to format the card before leaving home and it was already full or it could be the dreaded file numbering sequence error, where on my M8, after x amount of frames, you have to reset the file numbers manually otherwise the camera won't record. When I replaced the SanDisk card with another older Trandscend Class 10, the camera went back to normal for the rest of my shoot, which lasted approx 4 hours. This same Sandisk Ultra SD card also had issues when I tried to use it to record video on my hacked Panasonic GH2, it won't span. I checked out various forums, and others did not have issues with this particular SanDisk model. In fact, this card was recommended as a cheaper card that would span on a hacked GH2. I have since, relegated this card to my Sony RX1 for the past 12-13 months, zero issues shooting videos and stills. So it could be that some SD cards might have some manufacturing issues making them incompatible on some cameras.

The situation in (ii) above recently happened on my M Monochrom on a trusty Transcend 32GB Class 10 card. Same thing, shot a few frames and then got an error message that card was full. Again I thought I might have filled the card prior and forgot to reformat it but when I downloaded files to LR5, there were less than 20 frames. Still don't understand why.



Jan 29, 2014 at 09:39 PM
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p.840 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Contrast my M9/Monochrom SD card issues, I have had no problems at all with all types of SD cards on a Leica S2, both old and new, fast and slow cards, even the same card that caused problems on my M9 and GH2.

With your cold weather problem, I suspect either a faulty card or it was probably too cold for the batteries, not enough charge/voltage to the processor and this caused the camera to have electronic read issues.

S2 Summarit-S 70








Jan 29, 2014 at 09:47 PM
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p.840 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread




Phil

M8 w/35 Cron asph






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Jan 29, 2014 at 10:01 PM
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p.840 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


A work trip yesterday:

M9+ 50 Cron Collapsible:


L1014880 by ryankarr, on Flickr


L1014891 by ryankarr, on Flickr

M9 + 12mm CV 5.6:


L1015077 by ryankarr, on Flickr


L1015014 by ryankarr, on Flickr



Jan 29, 2014 at 10:18 PM
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p.840 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron - seems like you have been having more issues than most with lockups. Knowing how finicky Leica's are with electronics, there is no guarantee that you won't have similar issues on the M240. I can tell you that I have not had one single lockup since that M240 FW update. Even prior to that, it happened maybe twice over the course of 6 months or so. I try not to review images while the cam is writing to the card though. Nice picture too!
Joe - I love those S2 shots!
Phil - hope you behaved yourself for the whole day.
Ryan - that kinda looks like NE BC? Is it me of does the CV12 work much better than the CV15 wrt color shift? I may have to try it out sometime….



Jan 29, 2014 at 10:36 PM
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p.840 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Great set Ryan!

what a nice shot Ron

143k haha, that's what I want to hear!

I'm shooting my M9 often at around 9 Fahrenheit. I keep it under my coat when not shooting. When I had it set to write dng + jpg it was not always happy, but dng only it seems fine.

I have read about symptoms like you describe in extreme cold. We are very dry here, which may be easier on the camera.
My test would be simple: once it's warm again, inside etc, I'd put in a fresh battery and card and shoot some. If it's fine, well it's not worn out yet


L1002331 by unoh7, on Flickr
Elmarit v3 @ 2,8


L1002279 by unoh7, on Flickr
CV 21 on wrong preset


L1002287 by unoh7, on Flickr
CV 21 (finally snowing here)


L1002309 by unoh7, on Flickr



Jan 29, 2014 at 11:32 PM
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p.840 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I just bought a CV 21/4 and the location of the 4th screw allows for coding of the lens with a marker.

Gary, good eye!



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p.840 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Whenever a daughter is born, the Hindu goddess of wealth and fortune (Lakshmi) accompanies the child into the family. My wife and I are eagerly awaiting the arrival our own little goddess in a few months, and had a great weekend celebrating with friends and family. I was able to steal my wife and (in utero) daughter away from the celebrations for a short while to take some early-third-trimester maternity shots along the coast. I had my Nikon D800 with a rental 200 f/2 and my Leica with me... good thing.

The Leica saved my butt by allowing me to accurately focus manually. The AF on the 200 f/2 lens was hunting and missing about 70% of the time under these backlit conditions, and I found it very difficult to MF so long (and heavy) a lens. Not so with the M240 and Summilux. I really love how well the M allows you to take ownership of your photography at every level. I know that it's cheating to post a Nikon shot in this forum, but the second one here is pretty much the only in-focus shot I was able to get from the D800 + 200 f/2 combo. The first is the M240 with the 50 Summilux wide open.

On a less positive note, my M's tendency to lock up and crash was especially pronounced all weekend, and I missed a number of critical shots on account of the camera's awful firmware. What do you guys do to keep these bugs under control? They seem to crop up quite a bit when using LV or slow cards, but are there other factors that contribute to firmware unreliability?





1. Leica M240 + 50mm Summilux at f/1.4, just as the sun was breaking out of the marine layer. The hotspot/halo is deliberate.







2. Nikon D800 + 200mm f/2 VR II, shot at f/2 about 5 minutes later, when the sun was out in force. I know it doesn't belong here, but I wanted to offer a comparison of two very different optics.




Jan 30, 2014 at 03:01 AM
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p.840 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks guys, for the suggestions!

Here is a set of four variations from the previous image as the sun lit up the blowing snow... Inspired by Michael 'zhangyue' in terms of color treatment here.






















M9 & 50 Lux ASPH.



Joe: during Tuesday's outing I changed the memory card each of the first two lock-ups. After that I just left the camera 5-10 seconds with the info screen displayed and realized it would then recognize the correct available card space. It initially happened with a Transcend 16GB Class 10 card which was swapped out for two Panasonic Gold 32GB. Wednesday's outing was all on one Panasonic Gold 32GB card. I'm wondering too if it could be a problem with the card slot. I've heard these can be problematic in the M9... Can't rule out the batteries either, as you suggest. Most of mine are from 2010, though I did buy two new ones last year, and I think I was using one of those Tuesday, but not on Wednesday. Difficult to pin down as there are numerous variables.

Charlie: I did try it briefly inside before heading out, and it was fine. But from what I've noticed is it takes some time for the problem to first happen. It's one reason I suspect it could be weather/temperature related. Very nice, like the dog and jeep.

Gary: not sure I've had more problems than usual. For example, no cracked sensor (yet, knock on wood with fingers crossed). I've just used this camera a lot, so am bound to run into problems.

The concerning aspect this time is not just that it's locking up, but that the lock-ups become more frequent the longer I'm out to the point where eventually I can only shoot a frame or two between lock-ups, which makes the camera essentially unusable, especially in sub-zero conditions where it's a pain to pull the bottom cover each time to pull the battery.

I think I may try the hand warmer theory and see how it goes.

For you guys who have done lengthy cold weather sessions, if you have time, run M9Info app on a couple of those files and give me an idea of what your sensor temperature was...

Ryan, cool set! Interesting you used your M9 rather than the M... I guess it's your beater camera now for less controllable environments?

Arka, I like the 50 Lux image better. Not only for color and tonality but also the perspective because it shows more of the environment rather than blowing everything out. And she feels farther away with the 200. Reading about your M240 lock-ups is concerning... I should visit LUF again and see if anything much has changed/improved.



Jan 30, 2014 at 05:49 AM
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Joe, beautiful rendering! No more gear for now
Phil, excellent portrait capture! The M8 has a definite magic
Ryan, really nice, but looks so cold!!
Charlie, nice set!
Arka, interesting comparison! For portraits I usually prefer with the 80-200 Zoom, but here I love the 50 Lux

Ron, great theme and images!! I really love this style of PP'ing. With regards to the M240, I have had minimal lock up issues, and I would most were due to me not being patient. Comparison to the 3 M9's and 1 M-M, lock up issues, they are very much less with the M240. I have had issues with the A7r's locking up where I have take the battery out, and reboot. For the most part, the M240's are excellent upgrade IMO



Jan 30, 2014 at 06:37 AM
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charles.K wrote:
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Jan 30, 2014 at 09:22 AM
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Arka wrote:
I really love how well the M allows you to take ownership of your photography at every level.


+1

ConratsI I prefer the 50Lux shot, same reasons Ron mentioned. On my M240, it locks up more often when I use the EVF or when I am switching between EVF and LV. With the new firmware update, I think it went away, at least on my camera. Try to avoid switching functions as much as possible when the write LED is lighted and see if it works better?


rscheffler wrote:
For you guys who have done lengthy cold weather sessions, if you have time, run M9Info app on a couple of those files and give me an idea of what your sensor temperature was...

On that one day when I was out from 8am to 4pm shooting -10C to 0C, the sensor temperature was between 2C to 7C.

What was the sensor readout on your outing both days?

As for batteries, cold temperature affects all types of batteries, new and old. Your new M9 batteries will hold more charge but when the temperature drops, all batteries (new and old) will lose capacity: chemistry - low temperature inhibits chemical reaction in the cells. Coupled with our M9's ancient electronics, any voltage dip in the batteries could possibly affect the electronics. Its not secret that all types of batteries (even really expensive ones used for industrial applications) works best at around 77F 25C or thereabouts. If you keep the battery temperature lower than 20-25C, you will extend its life but anytime the temperature drops close to freezing, you will lose charge/AH capacity quickly. Going low on temperature won't damage your batteries at all and when the temperature recovers, the battery recovers. Conversely, high temperature really kill your batteries. When temperature goes up, you increases the chemical reaction and you actually have longer backup times but the overall life of the battery deteriorates very quickly because there is no space inside the battery for the heat to escape. If possible, never store batteries above 40C or high temperatures at anytime, once you overheat the batteries, you can almost always permanently reduce its operating life. So at the price Leica charges us for batteries, be wary of where you keep them, sometimes even in a black bag, don't leave the batteries close to the outer flap where the temperature with sun can easily exceed 40-50C. Keep the batteries deeper in your bag where there is some insulation.



Jan 30, 2014 at 10:02 AM
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p.840 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Ryan, cool set! Interesting you used your M9 rather than the M... I guess it's your beater camera now for less controllable environments?


I traded my M for an M9 + a fist full of cash. Used the cash to buy an A7 and 17mm TS-E to use for landscape work.

I had hoped to use TS lenses on the M240, but the non-movable zoom point sort of killed that idea.



Jan 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM
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Interesting Ryan... And I happen to have an M9 and 17 TS-E, looking for an M240... Though probably would have had to pay you to take my beater M9! Would also be difficult to give up the TS-E. Another problem with using TS-Es on the M240 would be the aperture setting... You'd need a Canon camera with DOF preview to allow you to change aperture settings for use on the Leica. Unless there's a powered EF to M adapter with an external aperture control? I believe those exist for the movie industry.

Thanks Charles - good to know

Joe: Sensor temperature on both days starts at 15C when I take it out of the bag and quickly drops to freezing after 10-15 minutes of use, then continues to gradually drop. As mentioned, on both days, the problems happened once sensor temperature reached -8C. The first day I continued with the camera until the end when it would only shoot 1-2 frames and the readout was -11C. Yesterday I gave up shooting with it fairly quickly and the last frame was -8.

Another factor could be that I'm still using firmware 1.176 because I use discreet shutter release a lot and seem to recall the newer firmware screwed this up somehow (need to re-investigate this). But the newer firmware features improved power management which might improve reliability in the field, though possibly at the expense of the camera shutting down sooner.

Thinking about it more, I'm leaning towards it being a power/battery problem. I think on Tuesday I started with my newest battery, and it lasted a while. After the first lock-up, I think I swapped both the card and battery. In any case, I did swap the battery at some point to one of my older ones at which point the lock-ups increased in frequency. The second battery was kept in an inside pocket, but of my top layer, so not sure how warm it was to start. I never swapped the battery yesterday...

Unfortunately it's warmer today, currently -5C, so maybe can't test the hand warmer theory in identical conditions (and would still have to go out and find some), but it could be an opportunity to see if staying above -8C really is an actual threshold value.

Speaking of TS-E lenses... I technically would have benefitted from using the 45 and 90 rather than the 50 Lux and 90 Summarit, such as in this scene below, where even at f/16, there is considerable focus fall off towards the background. But there is only so much one can carry and I didn't have the foresight to expect the need for the TS-Es...

With the 50 Lux ASPH:













Jan 30, 2014 at 01:52 PM
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p.840 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Nice Ron! Have you ever tried focus stacking? Some of the people on the Landscape forum seem to have very good success with this. Perhaps a little too much PP effort for my liking (and ability) but it may be an option for those who don't have TS lenses...


Jan 30, 2014 at 01:57 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Another factor could be that I'm still using firmware 1.176 because I use discreet shutter release a lot and seem to recall the newer firmware screwed this up somehow (need to re-investigate this). But the newer firmware features improved power management which might improve reliability in the field, though possibly at the expense of the camera shutting down sooner.


Another excellent set! Worth waiting for the buffer to clear, I think

Sorry I missed the part where you mentioned -8C. Have you had any lockups on your 1Dx at extreme temperatures?

I gave up on the discrete mode a long time back when users started complaining of problems. Also think its worthwhile to upgrade to the new firmware, better power management and I think they fixed some bugs with the discrete mode? Over 130k shutter count? Time for a heath checkup at Solms or NJ and maybe a M240



Jan 30, 2014 at 02:04 PM
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Thanks Gary. Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing while writing the post. Problem is I lack the discipline to shoot with a tripod on my walks, even if using TS-Es, which I do handheld... I guess some software will also align multiple images. I'm sure it's a valid consideration. In the case of the images above, it was so windy and my hands were so cold, that I could barely maintain consistent framing.

The problem I have with tripods is that it immediately reduces my flexibility and speed of shooting. But I suppose it would force some discipline. My gut feeling is also that in such windy conditions, I'll actually get sharper images hand held than from a vibrating tripod... something else to test, but probably won't.

Thanks Joe: never had any such problems with the 1DX or most 1D cameras. But their battery system is also much larger and I expect would better endure long cold sessions.

I'll consider the firmware update. I keep all the old firmware versions, so should be able to roll back if I don't like it. I think what bugged me most about it was the potential for earlier camera shutdown due to the use of older batteries... Solution is to buy a few more new batteries, considering three of them are now over 3 years old... I also thought about sending the camera in, but the whole hassle of doing so is putting me off that for now. And they'll probably tweak the RF and I'll have to relearn the RF offsets for each of my lenses again (though it could end up being better than now). If it ain't broke, don't fix it, comes to mind... just have to determine how broke it needs to be before the hassle of shipping it in and being without it for weeks or months will be worthwhile.



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