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p.491 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks guys! And Gary - happy belated Canada Day to you too - meant to reply to your earlier greeting but got sidetracked.

Joe - thank you so much for noticing that, as it too is my favourite from the entire event - it's actually a girl in the stroller. She was embarrassed to be photographed in it (I assume it's meant for her brother behind the flag) and would try to hide from the camera each time I passed by. Really great B&W set, each image is captivating.

Jonas - lovely texture with a lens that seems to have recently gotten some renewed attention in this forum.

Adam - yes, I can see the image now. The 35 Lux looks great and I can appreciate the dilemma deciding between it or a 28/50 spacing. All I can say is I have been able to make do with 28 Cron and 50 Lux ASPH. Since acquiring the 28 Cron, I have used my CV35 f/1.2II for probably less than 20 frames. With the 35 I still felt the need for a 50. With the 28 I don't miss as much the 35 (though as I stated earlier, there have been times when it would have been better than 28 and cropping).

I think the 28 Cron is a good compromise between the 35 Lux and 28 Elmarit. 28mm at f/2 and one stop shutter speed slower than shooting the 35 wide open at the same ISO has generally worked for me. For some reason I have a lot better luck with the 28 Cron and the 1/focal length shutter speed rule than with 35mm and longer. Definitely with the 50mm I try to avoid shooting below 1/125 for this reason. And the 28 Cron wide open still provides decent subject isolation:












Regarding your 28 Elmarit image: I can only offer opinion based on looking at the lens's paper specs. I'll point out that the MTF indicates wide open performance will not be great in the extreme corners. An interesting difference between it and the 28 Cron is that the Elmarit seems to hold sharpness (40 lp/mm values) and global contrast (5 & 10 lp/mm values) very steady over a wider area, then suddenly drops off. The Cron's central values wide open are very similar to the Elmarit wide open. At f/2.8 it appears to be a touch better. But the Cron's MTF curves immediately begin a gradual, steady drop towards the edges/corners, not the Elmarit's sudden drop, meaning a gradual drop in fine detail sharpness and global contrast, which likely results in a subjectively more pleasing transition to the image periphery. The Elmarit's sudden drop is therefore more obviously noticeable. If you photographed the same building with the 28 Cron wide open, the corners would also be somewhat soft, but perhaps not as jarringly noticeable. It's something I noticed when I tested it at the store photographing buildings across the street. Past f/4 the Cron's corners are not a concern.

Both of the 28s are great lenses. If you opt to keep the 28 Elmarit, you'll probably still have a need for a faster wide, such as the 35 Lux. Two stops, especially on the M9 at higher ISOs makes a significant difference, both in ISO and shutter speed considerations as well as subject isolation. The 28 Cron, IMO, is an all purpose 'compromise' solution offering a midway point for ISO and shutter speed, while still providing good subject isolation, though does mean you need to take a step closer to your subject than with 35mm . It's between the two lenses in size (though with the hood will somewhat obstruct the viewfinder, which so far I haven't found to be a major issue) but still small enough, IMO, for a suitably compact solution.

Some numbers:

28 Elmarit + 35 Lux = $7k, whereas 28 Cron = $4k, putting you 75% towards a 90AA.
28 Elmarit + 35 Lux + 50 Lux = $11k
28 Cron + 50 Lux = $8k

A few more of the soccer celebration:

50 Lux ASPH:











21 Lux (I think all wide open):































28 Cron:
















The second to last was a situation where I turned around and saw them running at me. I noticed the lens was set to 1m, so just waited until what I thought was about the right distance and shot one frame. Turned out focus was OK, but they were about two stops under. Illustrates again how nicely the M9's files can be opened at base ISO. 1.5m probably would have been better, not cutting off so much of their hands and the flag, but I'll take it as is.

I also shot with the Canon 1DIV and 70-200 f/4L IS. The interesting thing was that for the first half of this celebration I didn't pull the Canon out of the bag. With the street closed down to traffic, it was easy to get close to everything and just shoot with the M9, though at times I did feel I was missing certain kinds of shots, such as tight framing of faces. I also noticed during the edit that early in the event I was missing focus a lot with the M9. Maybe I was just a bit out of practice, but started to give that more consideration as the event developed and as a result focus consistency improved. But there were times when the movement was very fast and erratic, making accurate RF focusing difficult. After the street was reopened to traffic, and the police were keeping us off the road, it was difficult to get in front of the action for wider shots, so I found myself using the Canon more to isolate details either across the street or farther away along my side of the street. And being AF with 10 fps, my shooting style immediately changed to lengthy high fps bursts. Looking back at the numbers, total output was around 2/3 Canon vs. 1/3 Leica with the first edit being about 2/3 Leica vs. 1/3 Canon, and a number of the Canon images are very similar and could be reduced further. There were times with the M9, such as when I was in the middle of the group of young guys with the drum, where I would have loved a deeper buffer and faster frame to frame capability. Quite a few times I hit the buffer wall and literally had to wait while the action was going on around me.

In case anyone is interested in seeing the overall edit, I wrote up a brief blog post. The full first edit can be seen in this gallery.



Jul 06, 2012 at 02:09 PM
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p.491 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


M9 ASA400 Summilux 50mm F2.0 1/125




Newborn Baby Girl




Jul 06, 2012 at 02:20 PM
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p.491 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Beautiful baby Doug! Yours? A few more with 28 Elmarit asph...














Jul 06, 2012 at 09:00 PM
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p.491 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Adam, yes your shot is now visible. The 28 Elmarit is a great lens, and lends itself to excellent conversions to B&W too. The 28 Cron adds another level of sophistication to the rendering.
BTW, very nice capture with the 35 Lux

Joe, thank you Great B&W shot series. Excellent layering and compositions! I am looking forward to your shots with the M-M

Ron, awesome coverage and series! Excellent write up and shots in your blog. Your very first shot here in the series, really epitomises the event
The startup, processing and buffer rate are still my major issues for me, with the M9. There will always be a place for a DSLR, where having a telephoto with AF is a must. I have recently considered the Oly OMD, for some shooting apps where I need the fast speed and reach.

Doug, wonderful capture of a special moment

Gary, nice examples with the 28 Elmarit!

Some older B&W examples with the 28 Elmarit I apologise for the repost!












Jul 06, 2012 at 09:55 PM
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p.491 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Very nice portrait Doug!
Gary - I love the second one especially - such great clarity.
Charles - thanks! - looks great as b&w and really like the first one.

I've also been contemplating the OMD... But I'm in no rush and am curious what Canon might bring if the Rebel T4i/650D with on-sensor phase detect AF is any hint about their future mirrorless technology. The only aspect of the OMD that concerns me is the overwhelming consensus that it's not especially good at tracking moving subjects.



Jul 06, 2012 at 10:10 PM
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p.491 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


joe88 - You are right, 5 lenses now.. But I'm just "evaluating them" trying to figure out my perfect 2 or 3 lens kit. Nice black and whites, I like the first one the best. Really cool shot of the city, and in color!

telluridestock - Good moment captured.

Gary - NICE.

Charles - I like the second shot, with just the surfers in the water. And I will have to try shooting some black and white 28elmarit shots soon. I'm starting to think that I should have went for the 28cron right away, not because the elmarit isn't good, seems great. But just because of the hassle of buying and reselling when I know I'll end up doing that.

Ron - I agree with you on the need for speed. At f/2.8 I'd really feel the need for the 35/1.4 for indoor photos, whereas if I had the 28summicron f/2 I'd probably be more comfortable not having the 35/1.4 (even if I don't really shoot the 28cron indoors) it still makes sense. I think that's why I'm holding onto my 35, because I know the 28elmarit won't cut it.

Thanks for the breakdown of what the MTF chart says. And in your images, there's definitely more then enough subject separation for the 28!
I also agree with your math, for the lenses I currently have, if I sold all but the 50cron, I could buy a 28cron and 90apo (not allowed to get the 50lux-asph, the fiance wants to buy for me as a wedding gift, so I'm stuck with the 50cron until our wedding).

Great shots btw, I can't seem to capture moving targets yet, even though I've been practicing with my small dogs.

Best,
Adam



Jul 06, 2012 at 11:37 PM
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p.491 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron and Adam, thanks

Some recent unPP'd shots from Bali. 24 and 50 Lux

















Jul 07, 2012 at 06:44 AM
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p.491 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Nice Bali shots Charles. I'm certain we'll run into each other one day while we're both in Bali or Thailand.


Jul 07, 2012 at 06:46 AM
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p.491 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Adam Just send me email, as I should in Thailand within the next month, and it would be great to catch up!

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Jul 07, 2012 at 06:47 AM
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p.491 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Excellent shots, Charles. Like all of them.

The Noctilux never ceases to amaze me:








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p.491 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thank you all for the comments.

Adam, Nice shot from 35lux with such difficult lighting. If I only bring one lens with me, it will be 35mm. otherwise 28.50.90 seems make more sense. I think I will add 28cron once price further settle down and after clear some of my not used lenses. I have similar approach like you, buy some of interesting lens I have in mind and play with them before settle down my kit. Though in the end I keep more than I need.

Jonas, nice compose and BW tone.

Joe, Incredible shots. The last three are my favorite. I love those slow shutter motion picture very much. It is almost a Leica signature thing. Your last shot confirm 28cron is the lens to have

Ron, nice writing about the whole process. A fun reading. I agree the handy of DSLR with AF and admire your ability to make RF works in this dynamic situation using manual Lens WO. There are too many images to comments individually. But I really really like those 50lux shot you got. The two in p536 are very nice too. You have very good use of 50mm. I find I usually spend more time on those 50lux shots in your blog, don't know if it is because of my personal preference or your personal preferred focal length
telluridestock, beautiful baby.
Gary, the 2nd one is real keeper. Nice color and composition.
Charles, both are great BW shots, nice tone. don't know you had that lens Nice portrait shots from Bali. I like the first one.
seekuh, Amazing DOF from Noct.



Jul 07, 2012 at 12:31 PM
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p.491 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Hilmar, thank you Beautiful Nocti shot!
Michael, thanks The shots are from almost 2 years ago, when the 28 Elmarit was one on my first lenses. I sold it in exchange for the 28 Cron Asph!



Jul 07, 2012 at 06:54 PM
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p.491 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Some M8 shots from today...






















Jul 07, 2012 at 09:51 PM
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p.491 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


najibs - Nice shots, which 35?


Jul 07, 2012 at 11:11 PM
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p.491 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


adamdewilde wrote:
najibs - Nice shots, which 35?


Voigtlander 35/1.4 Classic MC. ANd here's a few more...














Jul 07, 2012 at 11:15 PM
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p.491 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Great photos, najibs.


Jul 08, 2012 at 02:27 AM
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p.491 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


seekuh wrote:
Great photos, najibs.

+1



Jul 08, 2012 at 02:45 AM
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p.491 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


charles.K wrote:
+1

+2.

A 50lux WO shot at local grocery store.








Jul 08, 2012 at 02:58 AM
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p.491 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Summilux 50:







Jul 08, 2012 at 03:34 AM
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p.491 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Good shots guys!

Voigtlander 35/1.4 Classic MC - Really?! Gonna have to go take a look at my old NYC M8 shots that I took with the VC35MC..




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