Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.293 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Uploading DNG of same negative as above, this time 16 passes + autofocus on scan on (instead of autofocus on the prescan, converted to DNG and synchronized settings in LR:
http://ge.tt/93Wlxk4?c
http://ge.tt/93Wlxk4?c
Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44 AM
p.293 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Heinz, wouldn't multiple passes reduce the resolution? I thought multipass scanning was to reduce the noise/grain and that it softens the image overall.
This is what I get with 4x passes vs one pass:
(I scanned it at 6400 dpi to see if I could squeeze any more detail out of it - I could not as it turned out)
Regarding the comparison of two images we posted - there is a question of focus as well. If I recall correctly, my shot was around f/2.8 meaning that the DOF was different.
KL, interesting comparison. There is a big difference though - that's ISO 400 film stock while we are comparing fine grained Ektar 100 scans.
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To ease my conscience over posting so much film stuff, here are a couple of assorted but fully digital shots
This is what I get with 4x passes vs one pass:
(I scanned it at 6400 dpi to see if I could squeeze any more detail out of it - I could not as it turned out)
Regarding the comparison of two images we posted - there is a question of focus as well. If I recall correctly, my shot was around f/2.8 meaning that the DOF was different.
KL, interesting comparison. There is a big difference though - that's ISO 400 film stock while we are comparing fine grained Ektar 100 scans.
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To ease my conscience over posting so much film stuff, here are a couple of assorted but fully digital shots
Jun 02, 2011 at 04:14 AM
p.293 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Yes, Luka, multipass softens on the one hand, but on the other hand removes noise and grain. Why am I doing this then? Because I am interested in the ideal scan for PP. Maybe the multipass sharpens much better and nicer. I don't know yet, but will find out.
I am just scanning 16x ICE off. Next will be single pass ICE off and then manual focus.
I am just scanning 16x ICE off. Next will be single pass ICE off and then manual focus.
Jun 02, 2011 at 04:27 AM
p.293 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
16x, ICE off
http://api.ge.tt/0/93Wlxk4/1/blob/download
Much sharper, but more grain
http://api.ge.tt/0/93Wlxk4/1/blob/download
Much sharper, but more grain
Jun 02, 2011 at 04:35 AM
p.293 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
single pass ICE off is slightly worse that 16x ICE off. Will not post it as there is really not much difference.
Jun 02, 2011 at 04:48 AM
p.293 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Uploading
http://api.ge.tt/0/93Wlxk4/2/blob/download
1x, ICE off, manual focus on the writing in the lower paper of the Styrodur package in the middle.
http://api.ge.tt/0/93Wlxk4/2/blob/download
1x, ICE off, manual focus on the writing in the lower paper of the Styrodur package in the middle.
Jun 02, 2011 at 04:56 AM
p.293 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
This may interest you Luka and Morfeous
http://kgston.webs.com/compare.html
http://kgston.webs.com/compare.html
Jun 02, 2011 at 06:08 AM
p.293 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
That's interesting KL, but the V700 he is using is clearly not focused correctly. Unlike more advanced scanners the V700 has a fixed focus distance and you may have to experiment a bit first with the holder setting to get it correct.
The crop shown is severely out of focus, so I don't think that test can be taken too seriously.
The crop shown is severely out of focus, so I don't think that test can be taken too seriously.
Jun 02, 2011 at 06:15 AM
p.293 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Hi Luka,
More intnerensted in your views re 16x and 1x. I am not about to do my own scanning anytime soon - no time.
Actually, why not look at this mega comparison instead
http://kgston.webs.com/comparems.html
Cheers
kl
More intnerensted in your views re 16x and 1x. I am not about to do my own scanning anytime soon - no time.
Actually, why not look at this mega comparison instead
http://kgston.webs.com/comparems.html
Cheers
kl
Jun 02, 2011 at 06:17 AM
p.293 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Hi Luka,
More intnerensted in your views re 16x and 1x. I am not about to do my own scanning anytime soon - no time.
Actually, why not look at this mega comparison instead
http://kgston.webs.com/comparems.html
Cheers
kl
More intnerensted in your views re 16x and 1x. I am not about to do my own scanning anytime soon - no time.
Actually, why not look at this mega comparison instead
http://kgston.webs.com/comparems.html
Cheers
kl
Jun 02, 2011 at 06:21 AM
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p.293 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Really nice feel to that first one Charles. What (or where) are those skyscrapers in the distance? Very nice.
Jun 02, 2011 at 06:30 AM
p.293 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary, thanks
The buildings in the distance are at Surfers Paradise.
The buildings in the distance are at Surfers Paradise.Jun 02, 2011 at 06:35 AM
p.293 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Luka, Heinz...thanks for doing all that work. Great discussion.
Luka - excellent shots. My favorite is the 2nd shot with the 28 Cron. Love the look you are getting from that lens.
Charles - beautiful shots. I like #2 best. Very moody
28 Cron
Luka - excellent shots. My favorite is the 2nd shot with the 28 Cron. Love the look you are getting from that lens.
Charles - beautiful shots. I like #2 best. Very moody
28 Cron
Jun 02, 2011 at 07:16 AM
p.293 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rsolti13 wrote:
Luka, Heinz...thanks for doing all that work. Great discussion
thanks a lot. But can you imagine how I feel with my limited photographic talent and my Leica crap from 1961 competing with the master of sharpness and master-of-I-can-photograph-everything-and-it-looks-great?
Luka, Heinz...thanks for doing all that work. Great discussion
thanks a lot. But can you imagine how I feel with my limited photographic talent and my Leica crap from 1961 competing with the master of sharpness and master-of-I-can-photograph-everything-and-it-looks-great?
Jun 02, 2011 at 08:06 AM
p.293 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
M2, Elmar 90/4, Ektar 100
Sorry, no fastfood I. Hommage to Stephen Shore by pictorlucis, on Flickr
Sorry, no fastfood II. Hommage to Stephen Shore by pictorlucis, on Flickr
Sorry, no fastfood I. Hommage to Stephen Shore by pictorlucis, on Flickr
Sorry, no fastfood II. Hommage to Stephen Shore by pictorlucis, on Flickr
Jun 02, 2011 at 12:02 PM
p.293 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Ryan, thanks Excellent set of shots! I really like #2 and 3 with the 28 Cron, and then #4 and 5 with the 50 Cron.
Heinz and Luka, yes thanks guys for all the work and comparisons. Great stuff!!
Heinz, very nice shots! Film has a very different feel to it
Excellent set of shots! I really like #2 and 3 with the 28 Cron, and then #4 and 5 with the 50 Cron.Heinz and Luka, yes thanks guys for all the work and comparisons. Great stuff!!
Heinz, very nice shots! Film has a very different feel to it
Jun 02, 2011 at 05:17 PM
p.293 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thanks Charles. Yes, film renders differently, I especially like the soft rendering in OOF areas.
Excellent beach shot and a pretty girl!
Heinz
Excellent beach shot and a pretty girl!
Heinz
Jun 03, 2011 at 12:24 AM
p.293 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
carstenw wrote:
The best scanners for quick strip scanning are probably the Imacon/Hasselblad scanners, which have very low-hassle holders. They are very expensive though, around the price of an M9 for some models, and more for others. Second-hand they still remain expensive. They are generally considered to be better than anything short of a drum scanner.
Carsten, I wanted to reply to this yesterday, but didn't have a specific link at hand.
The Imacon/Hasselblad are not real drum scanners, but so called "virtual drum scanners". If you ask me, they are not worth the 10 to 15000 Euros they cost. And, yes, I made the comparison, as a friend of mine owns one.
As a realtity check for all of us, there is one scanner shootout that I really trust. Unfortunately the website is only available in German, but you can just select one scanner on the left with the links and compare it by clicking on the other scanner on one of the links on the right. Also, you can compare it to a file taken with a Canon 5DII.
The Howtek is a real pro drum scanner btw.
http://zeux.zlakfoto.ch/scanvergleich/index.html
The best scanners for quick strip scanning are probably the Imacon/Hasselblad scanners, which have very low-hassle holders. They are very expensive though, around the price of an M9 for some models, and more for others. Second-hand they still remain expensive. They are generally considered to be better than anything short of a drum scanner.
Carsten, I wanted to reply to this yesterday, but didn't have a specific link at hand.
The Imacon/Hasselblad are not real drum scanners, but so called "virtual drum scanners". If you ask me, they are not worth the 10 to 15000 Euros they cost. And, yes, I made the comparison, as a friend of mine owns one.
As a realtity check for all of us, there is one scanner shootout that I really trust. Unfortunately the website is only available in German, but you can just select one scanner on the left with the links and compare it by clicking on the other scanner on one of the links on the right. Also, you can compare it to a file taken with a Canon 5DII.
The Howtek is a real pro drum scanner btw.
http://zeux.zlakfoto.ch/scanvergleich/index.html
Jun 03, 2011 at 05:02 AM
p.293 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Yes, I know That's why I wrote "short of a drum scanner", in other words the Hasselblad is the best quality you will get without jumping to a drum scanner.
I agree about the price and the small differences in quality, but the whole scanner industry is plagued by this. IMO the Nikon 9000 is not worth the huge price differential to the V750, which with a good third-party holder with ANR glass and a bit of care can give very nice results for medium and large format.
Anyway...
That's why I wrote "short of a drum scanner", in other words the Hasselblad is the best quality you will get without jumping to a drum scanner.I agree about the price and the small differences in quality, but the whole scanner industry is plagued by this. IMO the Nikon 9000 is not worth the huge price differential to the V750, which with a good third-party holder with ANR glass and a bit of care can give very nice results for medium and large format.
Anyway...
Jun 03, 2011 at 05:12 AM