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p.282 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, at least one of the problems you had can be avoided by only shooting 35 shots on a film, which has the added benefit that the whole film will fit in one plastic sheet. I think that tip came from Michael Johnston.


May 24, 2011 at 03:11 PM
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p.282 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ryan: Thanks! Love the lux stuff

Joe: Thanks! Lovely street shot!

Luka: Looks absolutely stunning that M6! Interesting comparison as well, I'm actually thinking of one of these lenses as my next purchase, or should I buy a M9 first? decisions..decisions.. Don't got that kind of money atm unfortunately Sold the last stuff of my DSLR kit yesterday though, the D700 just don't float my boat anymore

Also sorry to hear about the accidents, but I doubt all of the photos of the film was ruined, since not all was exposed to light, right? I've done similar things, and just a couple of frame then turned to crap...

I'm looking forward to see some film photos from you Luka!






May 24, 2011 at 03:12 PM
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p.282 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Ryan & Malkovic

kidtexas wrote:
Luka - a couple things. First, why do you say the ZM 25 has less distortion than the 28 Summicron? The charts show them to have more or less identical distortion. Am I missing something here?


Hmm, yes you seem to be right. I think I see more barrel distortion from the Cron, but it could be just an optical illusion because of the vignetting. The charts show both as having relatively little distortion.


Second, with respect to the ruined Velvia. I don't think you could have pulled the film out of its can by turning the rewind rank the wrong way. I can't picture how turning it the wrong way would push the film out of the can, rip the tape attaching it to the core, and push it to the other side of the camera. I'm guessing after your last frame, you cranked on the advancement lever and it ripped the film free. While I've never had that happen myself, I guess it's possible. Did you really crank on the advancement lever after
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Yes, that explanation makes more sense as the rewind crank turns the cassette spool while the other spool is turned by the advancement lever. I did have some trouble with the rewinding. It was OK a couple of turns and then suddenly all the resistance was gone and it did not feel like the film was being pulled. So I turned the crank (tried in both directions) and the advancement lever without observing any change.

My assumption at the time was that the perforations in the film had slipped off the gears. I opened the camera in the bathroom with the lights turned off and felt with my fingers and discovered that there was no film across the back of the camera. The film cassette popped out and I assumed everything was OK. It was first later that I discovered that the film was not in the cassette but wound around the other spool.



May 24, 2011 at 03:15 PM
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p.282 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Maybe you should test that the rewind release actually works. It sounds like it may not, or may at least not have been activated, i.e. the take-up spool was not letting go of the film, and thus when you tried to rewind it, it just ripped the end off the cartridge spool. It is only taped, btw.


May 24, 2011 at 03:18 PM
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p.282 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I know that it worked at least twice - for the first and second film. The first one was just a case of not having rewound the film completely and I had no problems with the second one. I have a film in the camera now so I can't test it.



May 24, 2011 at 03:22 PM
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p.282 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Hmm, yeah carsten that could be a possibility too. Luka, you know you have to throw the little lever on the front of the camera before you rewind, right? I assume you did that as well, but just making sure.

Just trying to help out. Sometimes these used Leica's aren't in as good of shape as they look. Maybe there's something wrong with it.



May 24, 2011 at 03:44 PM
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p.282 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Yes Tim, I know.

As I said, I had no problems with the first two rolls. I think your first theory is correct. I probably started rewinding in the wrong direction. When I discovered that nothing happened I pulled the advancement lever and subsequently detached the film from the cassette.



May 24, 2011 at 04:02 PM
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p.282 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, exactly the same thing happened to me with Velvia 50. It seems that it is not fastened very well in the cartridge.

I can't wait for your results.

Heinz



May 24, 2011 at 05:01 PM
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p.282 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Everybody, these shots are amazing!!!
This thread keeps getting better.

Luka - Congratulations on the M6! I remember when I shot my first roll I had thought I rewound it all the way so I opened up the back to find film across it Only about 4 of my shots were ruined. It's a frustrating experience but in the long run, I am enjoying using film a lot.

I need your guys' opinion about lenses: Heres the deal. I'm going on a trip to Turkey relatively soon and I will be renting a 21mm lens. What's your guys' opinion about the Leica 21 2.8 ASPH Vs. the Zeiss 21 2.8

THanks,
Kyle



May 24, 2011 at 05:31 PM
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p.282 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I'd take the Zeiss. Never having used either


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p.282 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


joe88 wrote:
If the VF flare bothers you, you can upgrade it to a MP finder. Not sure about the cost over in Europe but its approx USD200 here.


There's a simple fix for viewfinder flare (if it's the focusing patch that flares) that will cost you nothing: Put a square piece of black tape in the middle of the framline illumination window (next to the viewfinder window on the front). There's where the flare comes from! If the tape square is too large it will block the illumination of the smaller frames, so you have to do trial and error to see what works or not.

Edit: Like this...








May 24, 2011 at 06:22 PM
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p.282 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Conclusions
Cron ====
+ Fast (f/2)
+ Doesn't require an external viewfinder
+ More saturated
- Softer
-Heavy vignetting, even at f/8


Speaking of vignetting, I created lens profile for LR, which helps with the vignetting, some CA and distortion. I may need to redo the profile with more data points when I receive replacement for my current backfocusing copy, but the profile seems to work. If anybody is interested in trying it, I'd appreciate your feedback. The file is here (above the checkerboard image showing CA)




May 24, 2011 at 07:09 PM
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p.282 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Joe, excellent street shot! Great tones throughout the shot
Luka, congrats on the M6 Thanks for the comparisons with the 25 Biogon and 28 Cron. I am now finding myself in looking for a select few lenses that work, and just keeping with them. I still have the ZM 25/2.8 and 50/2 Plannar for backup and they are excellent lenses in every respect. With the latest firmware about to be released for the M9, this still will not resolve the red edge issue for the ZM 25/2.8, other than LCC in C1 or corner fix.
Really nice shots! I love the last shot, beautifully composed with a dramatic lighting Sorry about the lost film I am really looking forward to seeing the comparison shots!!!
Reading this thread I do get tempted with trying film again, and then I get over it very quickly Having had the M9, using film with the M series would be fun. My concern it getting the film processed right, and then getting the shots scanned. As Ron eluded to, MF is another level in IQ, and this would be fun to try.
Ryan, the D7000 is a neat camera, but maybe moving on the D7000 and replacing it with an excellent P&S for your wife maybe an excellent compromise

Mirek, excellent concept, but the vignetting and magenta edge tends to have unique signatures with each M9 and lens combo. Having two M9's, I have a LCC profile for each body, as they are so different.



May 24, 2011 at 07:11 PM
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p.282 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Gratz to Luka on your M6! I never would have thought film was your cup of tea. Can't wait to see the results! If it makes you feel better, my first roll from my m2 had 1/2 the shots ruined even though I asked a knowledgeable friend to help me take the roll out. Seems he did not turn the crank all the way so some parts of the roll was exposed to light. Really like the recent shots with your M9 too.

Kyle, i have the 21 Zeiss and love it. I can send you whatever research i have on the 2 lenses (which i dug up before I bought the Zeiss)


Great idea Makten . Was about to buy this http://www.leicagoodies.com/shade.html


A quick snap yesterday out of my office window - the cloud formations were amazing and stayed this way all of 15 minutes with the 35 Lux ASPH V1 (been using this lens almost like 90% of the time since i got it last month).





and 2 more - the light at this time of the morning is wonderful











Cheers
kl



May 24, 2011 at 07:57 PM
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p.282 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Mirek, excellent concept, but the vignetting and magenta edge tends to have unique signatures with each M9 and lens combo. Having two M9's, I have a LCC profile for each body, as they are so different.

That's interesting. Luckily, the profiles are not difficult for anyone to make. One rainy weekend to print the targets and learn how to do it...



May 24, 2011 at 08:57 PM
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p.282 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


KL, great shots!!! Love the lighting in #1


May 24, 2011 at 10:00 PM
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p.282 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


KL - I love the first shot!
Those clouds are amazing.

Also, if you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me your data about the 21 lenses.

THanks,
Kyle



May 24, 2011 at 11:25 PM
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p.282 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


KL, those clouds are fantastic!

Luka, so are your stormy clouds. The waves in the stone work nicely repeats the rolling of the clouds. Very cool scene! Congrats on the M6, hopefully the coming days will be more rewarding with it. I too would like to see the M10 pared down to a similar size/weight. More importantly though, I'd like a much quieter shutter and much quieter motorized advance. Thanks for taking the time to do the lens comparison. I think this should be done more often, when possible, to help dispel the notion that it's Leica or nothing. Many of the Zeiss (and CV) lenses are very good and on optically equal footing. I think it's easy to forget that sometimes.

Nice moody set Ryan! I like the bikes.
Very nice B&Ws joakim!
Joe- very nice B&W from you too.
Malkovic - an interesting parallel to those two scenes, which at least for me, are quite complementary. Besides, anything with trains is cool.

Kyle: My only experience is with the Zeiss ZM21. It's a good lens and I think according to the MTF charts compares favourably with the Leica 21. But the ZM18 likely edges it a bit towards the corners. My experience with the 21 is that wide open the central area is very sharp, but due to fairly strong field curvature, if photographing a flat subject, the corners will not be sharp until around f/5.6. The field curvature is such that the focus towards the corners drifts behind the central focus point, making anything in the corners closer than the subject considerably more out of focus. It's the opposite to the field curvature with which I was familiar with the Canon 16-35 and has taken me a while to get used to. It has a bit of mustache distortion, but I have rarely found it to be an issue. I find the barrel distortion of the 50 Planar to be more noticeable and annoying (though easy to fix). Again, not sure how the Leica compares, but the ZM21 has zero CA in normal situations. Sometimes with very bright backlighting objects such as tree branches in the corners will exhibit some mild purple fringing, but it's not common.

The Zeiss will flare if the sun is shining on the front element but is not in the actual image. Unfortunately, because you're not looking through the lens while composing, it's difficult to predict when flare will a problem. And it's difficult to observe at times on the M9's display, because the flare is not usually extremely strong, or a long string of colorful blobs

I'm not sure which camera you'll be using it on, but if it's the M9, I've coded it as the Leica 21 non-ASPH and it seems to work pretty well, but still needs mild correction in Cornerfix. That said, if you're renting the lens and don't want to hand code it, and can't be bothered to set the code manually in the camera (the danger is forgetting to switch it back when using other lenses), I've found that if you just leave it uncoded it will 'clean up' equally well with Cornerfix. In fact, it might be better to leave it uncoded and use CF, but I also like to have the lens info embedded in the EXIF.

I like 21mm. I feel it's not too wide, but still really wide when needed.

Some more from the waterfront...





















M9 & ZM35C for the first two, ZM50P for the last two.

Edited on May 25, 2011 at 12:41 AM · View previous versions



May 25, 2011 at 12:18 AM
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p.282 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron, wow... superb set of shots! Great composition, lighting and colour!!


May 25, 2011 at 12:26 AM
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p.282 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


charles.K wrote:
Ron, wow... superb set of shots! Great composition, lighting and colour!!



+1. What Charles writes! And we like the same lenses, Ron! (mine are on NEX, though)



May 25, 2011 at 12:27 AM
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