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p.1947 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


airfrogusmc wrote:
This is wonderful Steve. In all ways. Love the primary colors (red, yellow and Blue)

Composition isn't and shouldn't be a formula. A few words by some of the greatest to evert push a shutter and something to think about when talking about composition.

A little video by one of the greats.

It's short and really worth a watch.

And some words by some of the greats.

"When subject matter is forced to fit into preconceived patterns, there can be no freshness of vision. Following rules of composition can only lead to a tedious repetition of pictorial cliches." - Edward
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In graphic design school, I've learned the rules of composition and how to direct the audience using typography. However, the unorthodox work of David Carlson was the most influential to me. He didn't have a background in graphic design but somehow came up with a creative and unique way to communicate using photographs and typography. Sometimes I spend hours browsing through his work. He definitely broke all the rules and was a big influence to me and how I shoot.

http://www.davidcarsondesign.com/t/work/



Apr 01, 2022 at 10:51 PM
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p.1947 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Fred, I have a B/A in photography and we learned all kinds of rules of composition in art and photography courses.. Rules of thirds, Golden Rule. Rule of 1/5th (or sometimes called rule of 4/5ths) rule of this and rule of that. Love what Jay Maisel says in the video and the Winogrand quote I posted above but my favorite is what Weston said in the final quote I posted above. " ......so called “composition” becomes a personal thing, to be developed along with technique, as a personal way of seeing." - Edward Weston


Apr 02, 2022 at 07:22 AM
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p.1947 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


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On the matter of rules ... rules (imo) are (like rulers) guides. Since I can't draw a stick man with a ruler, I use a camera and lens ... but some folks can draw stick men (and so much more) without a ruler. If the "rule(r)" helps ya, use it. If you don't need it, then it doesn't make sense to use something that is an additional encumbrance.

Then there are "principles", like the principles of physiological response regarding how the eye is drawn toward things like contrast, mass, scale, and all the other various components (umm, composition) etc. How we might orchestrate the combinations of those components are infinitely variable. As the "visual conductor", we decide how to present the composition and symphony of visual instruments (not unlike a musical orchestra conductor).

In the journey from "Twinkle, twinkle" to the symphony ... rules are certainly destined to be exposed to. But, by the time the maestro has achieved excellence, his / her reliance on rules is cast far away in favor of the principles ... and the emotive ability to conduct the elements of the composition in a way that moves the audience.

Some folks are so gifted that they never laid there hands on a rule(r). But for the mere mortals that find the rule(r)s helpful ... or transitionally developing, I don't shun the help that the rule(r) provides. But, I do advocate to not allow the tool to rule you with constraint. Imo, folks should yearn to outgrow the restrictions of the "rules" ... instead, coming to harness principles toward their emotive desires.

You rule the tool, don't let the tool rule you.

Rule(r)s ... use 'em if you like 'em ... till you don't.







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Apr 02, 2022 at 08:56 AM
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My experience is once that stuff in your subconscious it can take a very long time for it to get out of there. It's hard to unlearn. I would even argue that they (all those rules) can even be harmful. Once those things are in the head (subconscious) or in some case some photographers even have with them etched on focusing screens they are very hard to unlearn or un-see when making photographs or judging photographs.

Those rules are great if you want to make photographs like everyone else's. Like Weston was getting at is if everyone is following the same rules there can be no freshness of vision. But what do/did Weston, Winogrand, Adams, Newman, Brandt, Klein, Michals. Maisel know about photography? They forgot, over their long careers, more than what most of us have learned. And there are very good reasons why they will all still be in the conversation about photography as an art form in the decades to come.



Apr 02, 2022 at 09:43 AM
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p.1947 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


airfrogusmc wrote:
My experience is once that stuff in your subconscious it can take a very long time for it to get out of there. It's hard to unlearn. I would even argue that they (all those rules) can even be harmful. Once those things are in the head (subconscious) or in some case some photographers even have with them etched on focusing screens they are very hard to unlearn or un-see when making photographs or judging photographs.

Those rules are great if you want to make photographs like everyone else's. Like Weston was getting at is if everyone is following the
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+1 that if folks are taught to think the "rule" is the "end game", then they can be programmed to a restrictive state of mind. For some folks they may never let go of that. But, I think that for folks that have a spirit of growth (which is embodied in creativity, as create = new), they can get past it well enough.

A carpenter or cabinet maker gets taught, "measure twice, cut once". But when the woodworker decides to embark on sculpture, the deftness of learning to use the chisel foregoes the previous rules of construction that were valuably learned. One has to decide for themselves whether or not the tool is applicable or not. Just because a rule was learned, doesn't render one incapable of progressing without the rule.

Does it require a mental shift ... sure. But I think that the history of development of a given artisan always includes the addition of different things to their arsenal as experience grows, and those things have the ability to displace / replace former things. Sometimes we hear of artisans having "this period" and "that period". Imo, the "rules period" is just that ... a period in the journey.

Whether a person stays in the "same period" ... say always using high contrast, high saturation ... never bothering to learn the nuance of other palettes, that lack of growth is (to me) no different than staying stuck in a "rules period". Growth is growth. The corollary being that if a person WANTS TO GROW, they will move beyond the "rules period", the same as they would move on through any other form of variant growth.

If a person doesn't want to grow, and remain content with whatever "period" that is they're comfortable with ... so be it, that's what they'll do. Imo, that's predominantly the person making that assessment of their goals, not the rule restricting them from growing.

We get taught to drive between the lines ... those are the rules, and they have a certain benefit in learning them. BUT, then racers learn the principles of physics, and suddenly those rules about the lines are meaningless as one makes way to the apex in entry and exit, relative to position steering and throttle. If a person is set to stay within the rules, there is nothing wrong with that ... but, when you want to learn to advance beyond the rules ... YUP, you're gonna have some new things to learn, and some old things to set aside. Again, it wasn't the presence of the rule that facilitates or mitigates growth ... (imo) it's the determination of the individual to remain content with the constraints of the rule, or to learn how to proceed sans the rules.







Apr 02, 2022 at 10:15 AM
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p.1947 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Exactly and then how many times was a shutter not pushed because it didn't fit in to some pre conceived idea of what it should have been or as we have all seen how many photographs are dismissed as not being good because they didn'tr fit into a pre conceived idea of a rule like RoTs. And then which rule do you follow. Some landscape guys are/were following a rule of 1/5th or some refer to it as 4/5ths which pushes the subject/interest closer to the edge.

I totally agree with Maisel in the piece I posted previously.

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p.1947 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


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Your recent set from the Keys is fantastic as usual Allen, and quite inspiring as well. Thanks



Apr 02, 2022 at 10:58 AM
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helimat wrote:
Your recent set from the Keys is fantastic as usual Allen, and quite inspiring as well. Thanks


Thanks so much for the kind words.




Apr 02, 2022 at 10:59 AM
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p.1947 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Rules get established in all forms of education to help people learn ... A stepping stone, if you will. Some folks are helped by them. Others don't need them. Others outgrow them.

The problem is the semantic difference between a restriction and an introductory over-simplified explanation.

Sometimes people have differing perceptions on what the function and purpose of a rule is. Imo, where it can be a training aid as an initial guide, it has a place to help advance things.

Just don't think you have to live there forever.

Which, btw ... we can also make our own rules (guides) to suit our endeavors. Some might call that self made rule, their style.

My rule is don't worry about rules ... but do take pause to learn and understand principles as I grow.

When you cook with principles, you can do anything you want. When you cook by rule only, you cook the same recipe over and over.




Apr 02, 2022 at 02:57 PM
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If a style is a rule it is a rule for one. A training guide for a creativity is creative disaster and only teaches one to be like everyone else as those great photographers I quoted have so eloquently stated. Sometimes its very hard to undo the damage of so called stepping stones.


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airfrogusmc wrote:
If a style is a rule it is a rule for one. A training guide for a creativity is creative disaster and only teaches one to be like everyone else as those great photographers I quoted have so eloquently stated. Sometimes its very hard to undo the damage of so called stepping stones.


I think the key to progression ... is progression.

I mean, even if someone gets taught to "center" their subject first. Then someone comes along and teaches them ROT ... that's a progression of expansion for their consideration. The issue (danger, if you will) is that folks "stop" at a given point of progression. From ROT, we can expand someone to consider using the edge of the frame, or to be asymmetrical, etc.

At some point one comes to progress beyond a "rule" and has stepped through a series of progressions to a point where they can realize that there really isn't anything that can't be done as they develop an increasing mastery of their craft.

Again, restrictive perspective vs. growth. Really comes down to whether or not someone is using a "rule" as a tool to add to their toolbox, or thinks that their hammer must be used for everything.

Unfortunately, not everyone is so blessed in their journey to have been mentored brilliantly by those who can magically foster a complete understanding of everything without any guiding assistance. For mere mortals, some find the development of rules as an aid. Rule of 72 is a relatively easy one to learn. But, it doesn't make you an accountant or allow you to compute compound interest in all situations. BUT, it still is a starting point, but it need not be a restriction to learning more. Does that make the rule of 72 a bad thing to use as an introductory.

Sunny 16 is another Rule ... it's something that we can use to our advantage if we so choose. But, maybe I don't want a "correct" exposure ... leaning toward mood, instead. Just because I understand Sunny 16 rule, doesn't mean I'm restricted to it, nor by it.

Imo, the rule isn't the issue ... the issue is a willingness to rely on the rule alone, rather than seeing the Rule as an efficient explanation, pending the greater depth of understanding being developed. So, yes ... if folks don't continue to foster a greater depth of understanding, then they may stagnate in the realm of the Rule. But, was that because of the efficiency of the developed Rule (guide) ... or the person?

Anyway ... got a bit OT more than probably should in the pic thread. I'll see if I can get back to the pics.




Apr 02, 2022 at 03:38 PM
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p.1947 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


We'll it took me a very long time to unlearn that stuff. And when I taught my students always had a hard time getting over it. And as Winogrand once said "art is not a product of industrial efficiency."

Hard to choose when something has become part of the subconsciousness. It is just an automatic response. I say better not to put it into the head or on a focusing screen to begin with.

And things like physics and math are much different from creativity. f/stops, ISO, shutter speeds are constants and many work on things that are not ambiguous but set in stone. Like the inverse square law of light and the law of reciprocity.



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