Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1636 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
House plants. 35/2-M aspherical at f/4.
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Jan 16, 2019 at 09:36 PM
p.1636 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
pmeheut wrote:
This one is northern hemisphere.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/39716175763_ea33173db8_o.jpg
Holy moley, what a terrific picture! It looks like a still from an Antonioni movie. So many overlapping layered planes and so much going on within and across the frame. I'm on the brink of getting an M-P 240 and am wondering if the window finder of the Leica M more naturally lends itself to this kind of picture making? (Whereas a DSLR or mirrorless camera works against "seeing" deep space in the same way.)
This one is northern hemisphere.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/39716175763_ea33173db8_o.jpg
Holy moley, what a terrific picture! It looks like a still from an Antonioni movie. So many overlapping layered planes and so much going on within and across the frame. I'm on the brink of getting an M-P 240 and am wondering if the window finder of the Leica M more naturally lends itself to this kind of picture making? (Whereas a DSLR or mirrorless camera works against "seeing" deep space in the same way.)
Jan 18, 2019 at 05:27 AM
p.1636 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Holy moley, what a terrific picture!
Thanks.
I'm on the brink of getting an M-P 240 and am wondering if the window finder of the Leica M more naturally lends itself to this kind of picture making?
I cannot say for you. But for me yes it does.
I've been using SLR for the last 35 years, Leica M for the last 30 years. And now I'm using mirrorless.
I know I can shoot good pictures whatever the camera, brand, viewfinder & so... But I also have to admit that I am not shooting the same pictures if the camera is too big or if I'm using a zoom or if the viewfinder is too small for instance.
And when I walk a city with a M and a 35mm (sometimes a 28), I see the world in a different way. So the camera and my own experience work together to produce the pictures I want (sometimes of course).
Both are important: the camera & the experience.
Jan 18, 2019 at 06:58 AM
p.1636 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
pmeheut,
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
Here's a good piece by Meyerowitz that kind of explains why the rangefinder can be a better choice for street.
I have an M 262 (stripped down M 240 but basically the same camera without video and some other things) and an M 10. If you can afford the M 10 I would recommend it over the M 240. It is better at high ISO and a lot more responsive.
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
Here's a good piece by Meyerowitz that kind of explains why the rangefinder can be a better choice for street.
I have an M 262 (stripped down M 240 but basically the same camera without video and some other things) and an M 10. If you can afford the M 10 I would recommend it over the M 240. It is better at high ISO and a lot more responsive.
Jan 18, 2019 at 08:21 AM
p.1636 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
pmeheut,
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
Same for me and I'm wondering if your answer is not for genji instead of me.
BTW, I love your portraits above.
pmeheut,
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
Same for me and I'm wondering if your answer is not for genji instead of me.
BTW, I love your portraits above.
Jan 18, 2019 at 08:56 AM
p.1636 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
pmeheut wrote:
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.Same for me and I'm wondering if your answer is not for genji instead of me.
BTW, I love your portraits above.
Yes sorry! And THANKS.
airfrogusmc wrote
pmeheut,A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
BTW, I love your portraits above.
Yes sorry! And THANKS.
Jan 18, 2019 at 09:00 AM
p.1636 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Impressioni Venziana I by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
Monochrom, Elmarit M 28/2.8 asph.
Jan 18, 2019 at 09:32 AM
p.1636 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
River Fog by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
S 006, Super-Elmar S 24/3.5
Jan 18, 2019 at 09:38 AM
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p.1636 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
genji wrote:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/39716175763_ea33173db8_o.jpgHoly moley, what a terrific picture! It looks like a still from an Antonioni movie. So many overlapping layered planes and so much going on within and across the frame. I'm on the brink of getting an M-P 240 and am wondering if the window finder of the Leica M more naturally lends itself to this kind of picture making? (Whereas a DSLR or mirrorless camera works against "seeing" deep space in the same way.)
Yes a very nice shot !
But remember, it's you to do the shot and to see things in a certain way not a specific camera... or a certain finder.
So i tend to disagree about these opinions , but still like - in an not rational way - my M
pmeheut wrote
This one is northern hemisphere.https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/39716175763_ea33173db8_o.jpg
Yes a very nice shot !
But remember, it's you to do the shot and to see things in a certain way not a specific camera... or a certain finder.
So i tend to disagree about these opinions , but still like - in an not rational way - my M
Jan 18, 2019 at 09:52 AM
p.1636 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
II would argue the things like format, different cameras, rangefinder/dslr/slr do effect the way I see. It took me 6 month to learn to see square when I first bought my 500 C/Ms in the 1980s. I see differently when I am shooting with different focal lengths. I see differently when I am shoot B&W and that also is being camera specific (Leica MM). I know I see differently when working with an 8X10 or 4X5 view camera than I do when working with a Leica M. I know I see differently when I am concentrating looking through a lens on a DSLR or SLR than when I am using a rangefinder.
Jan 18, 2019 at 12:53 PM
p.1636 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thanks to everyone for your helpful, insightful responses. I'm conscious of not wanting to derail what is primarily an image thread but I posted my question here because it relates to aesthetic rather than technical concerns.
pmeheut wrote:
I cannot say for you. But for me yes it does.
I've been using SLR for the last 35 years, Leica M for the last 30 years. And now I'm using mirrorless.
I know I can shoot good pictures whatever the camera, brand, viewfinder & so... But I also have to admit that I am not shooting the same pictures if the camera is too big or if I'm using a zoom or if the viewfinder is too small for instance.
And when I walk a city with a M and a 35mm (sometimes a 28), I see the world in a different...Show more →
Werner_Utsch wrote:
Yes a very nice shot !
But remember, it's you to do the shot and to see things in a certain way not a specific camera... or a certain finder.
So i tend to disagree about these opinions , but still like - in an not rational way - my M
airfrogusmc wrote:
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
Here's a good piece by Meyerowitz that kind of explains why the rangefinder can be a better choice for street.
I have an M 262 (stripped down M 240 but basically the same camera...Show more →
airfrogusmc wrote:
II would argue the things like format, different cameras, rangefinder/dslr/slr do effect the way I see. It took me 6 month to learn to see square when I first bought my 500 C/Ms in the 1980s. I see differently when I am shooting with different focal lengths. I see differently when I am shoot B&W and that also is being camera specific (Leica MM). I know I see differently when working with an 8X10 or 4X5 view camera than I do when working with a Leica M. I know I see differently when I am concentrating looking through a lens...Show more →
I certainly agree with pmeheut and Werner that a competent photographer can create good pictures with pretty much any camera/lens/finder combination. But I still believe, as airfrogusmc and pmeheut pointed out, that the camera/lens/finder one chooses to work with definitely influences the kinds of pictures one is encouraged to make. For example, the EXIF data revealed that the photograph by pmeheut which so impressed me was made with an M10 and a Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH lens. Obviously I can't be 100% sure but I can't help thinking that I could not have made such a picture with my A7RIII and a Distagon ZE 28/2. Why not? Because seeing the world on a little TV screen with the lens wide open encourages one to think about which object(s) should be in focus. Obviously one can stop right down but, with a mirrorless camera, that becomes self-defeating.
airfrogusmc, thank you for the pointer to the Joel Meyerowitz video. I was particularly impressed by the observation he makes about photographing the unspoken relationship between things (which I recognize in the photographs of yours I have seen on the forum) versus the far more common practice of making copies of objects in space. Nowadays I take pictures of strangers in the street--individuals, couples, families--in an attempt to depict the unknowable mystery of supposedly ordinary people. I do this with an A7RIII and a 50/1.4 or 55/1.8 autofocus lens, framing off the LCD monitor with the camera held at waist level and silent shutter turned on. Like a Rolleiflex 6x6 TLR or a Hasselblad 500 C/M, really. This approach allows me to get very close to my subjects without arousing any suspicion. If I get a Leica, that method will be impossible. So my pictures will necessarily change.
As regards an M10 versus an M-P 240, I can buy a near mint M-P 240 at a reasonable price from a reputable dealer with a 3-month warranty and a 14-day return period. This seems like a good way of getting my feet wet.
pmeheut wrote:
I cannot say for you. But for me yes it does.
I've been using SLR for the last 35 years, Leica M for the last 30 years. And now I'm using mirrorless.
I know I can shoot good pictures whatever the camera, brand, viewfinder & so... But I also have to admit that I am not shooting the same pictures if the camera is too big or if I'm using a zoom or if the viewfinder is too small for instance.
And when I walk a city with a M and a 35mm (sometimes a 28), I see the world in a different...Show more →
Werner_Utsch wrote:
Yes a very nice shot !
But remember, it's you to do the shot and to see things in a certain way not a specific camera... or a certain finder.
So i tend to disagree about these opinions , but still like - in an not rational way - my M
airfrogusmc wrote:
A rangefinder helps me because I am not being separated from the scene outside what the lens is seeing. With a rangefinder I am involved visually with the things outside the frame as much as I am with the elements in the frame. It always me to more intuitively with things as they are moving into the frame. So I can better time shots and compositions.
Here's a good piece by Meyerowitz that kind of explains why the rangefinder can be a better choice for street.
I have an M 262 (stripped down M 240 but basically the same camera...Show more →
airfrogusmc wrote:
II would argue the things like format, different cameras, rangefinder/dslr/slr do effect the way I see. It took me 6 month to learn to see square when I first bought my 500 C/Ms in the 1980s. I see differently when I am shooting with different focal lengths. I see differently when I am shoot B&W and that also is being camera specific (Leica MM). I know I see differently when working with an 8X10 or 4X5 view camera than I do when working with a Leica M. I know I see differently when I am concentrating looking through a lens...Show more →
I certainly agree with pmeheut and Werner that a competent photographer can create good pictures with pretty much any camera/lens/finder combination. But I still believe, as airfrogusmc and pmeheut pointed out, that the camera/lens/finder one chooses to work with definitely influences the kinds of pictures one is encouraged to make. For example, the EXIF data revealed that the photograph by pmeheut which so impressed me was made with an M10 and a Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH lens. Obviously I can't be 100% sure but I can't help thinking that I could not have made such a picture with my A7RIII and a Distagon ZE 28/2. Why not? Because seeing the world on a little TV screen with the lens wide open encourages one to think about which object(s) should be in focus. Obviously one can stop right down but, with a mirrorless camera, that becomes self-defeating.
airfrogusmc, thank you for the pointer to the Joel Meyerowitz video. I was particularly impressed by the observation he makes about photographing the unspoken relationship between things (which I recognize in the photographs of yours I have seen on the forum) versus the far more common practice of making copies of objects in space. Nowadays I take pictures of strangers in the street--individuals, couples, families--in an attempt to depict the unknowable mystery of supposedly ordinary people. I do this with an A7RIII and a 50/1.4 or 55/1.8 autofocus lens, framing off the LCD monitor with the camera held at waist level and silent shutter turned on. Like a Rolleiflex 6x6 TLR or a Hasselblad 500 C/M, really. This approach allows me to get very close to my subjects without arousing any suspicion. If I get a Leica, that method will be impossible. So my pictures will necessarily change.
As regards an M10 versus an M-P 240, I can buy a near mint M-P 240 at a reasonable price from a reputable dealer with a 3-month warranty and a 14-day return period. This seems like a good way of getting my feet wet.
Jan 18, 2019 at 06:56 PM
p.1636 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Werner_Utsch wrote:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4846/45749273285_87838def98_h.jpg
Impressioni Venziana I by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
Monochrom, Elmarit M 28/2.8 asph.
I love this image! I keep coming back to look at it
Impressioni Venziana I by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
Monochrom, Elmarit M 28/2.8 asph.
I love this image! I keep coming back to look at it
Jan 18, 2019 at 07:07 PM
p.1636 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Lovely images being posted, with great variety as usual!
Genji, I have owned the M8, M9 and M240 digital Leicas, as well as previously an M6 film camera and currently an old M3 (and Hexanon RF and Canon P rangefinders).
I love the rangefinder shooting experience, even though with a dominant left eye I am probably hampered a little and less able to see beyond the scene than when shooting with the right eye.
Good luck with your try out.
Genji, I have owned the M8, M9 and M240 digital Leicas, as well as previously an M6 film camera and currently an old M3 (and Hexanon RF and Canon P rangefinders).
I love the rangefinder shooting experience, even though with a dominant left eye I am probably hampered a little and less able to see beyond the scene than when shooting with the right eye.
Good luck with your try out.
Jan 19, 2019 at 12:13 AM
p.1636 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Some from the area around the small towns of Temora and Cootamundra in New South Wales:
Another monochrome treatment of the derelict cottage posted earlier (M8 and Jupiter-12 35 f/2.8 Biogon lens):
Apart from the panorama, all later shots are using a converted Contax G21 f/2.8 Biogon on he same M8.2
Derelict cottage. M8 and Jupiter-12 (35 f/2.8)
A 4-shot panorama: Bethungra -Temora road, with a storm to the east. Jupiter-12 lens
Before the storm hit Cootamundra
After the storm - 1
After the storm - 2
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Another monochrome treatment of the derelict cottage posted earlier (M8 and Jupiter-12 35 f/2.8 Biogon lens):
Apart from the panorama, all later shots are using a converted Contax G21 f/2.8 Biogon on he same M8.2
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Jan 19, 2019 at 05:06 AM
p.1636 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Infrared scene:
Contax G21 f/2.8 on Ricoh GXR with IR-sensor conversion (Leica M A12 APSC CMOS sensor).
IR 'false colour'
Contax G21 f/2.8 on Ricoh GXR with IR-sensor conversion (Leica M A12 APSC CMOS sensor).
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Jan 19, 2019 at 05:30 AM
p.1636 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
gengi, my comments were not about not being able to make good photographs with different type of equipment they were about seeing differently when using different types of equipment. Different tools for different jobs. For instance, I would not shoot fast paced candid work with an 8X10 view camera. For film studio work or for landscape work there is probably nothing better. Doesn't mean I can't work very well with one just that it is a tool for a different job. Because it is a different beast than a rangefinder I would then tend to see differently and see different photographs than I would see when working with a Leica M. I could still shoot on the street with an 8X10 Deardorff. I would just be working off a tripod and it would be a much different vision and process than if I were using a Leica.
Same with using a square format like a 500 C/M or a TLR like a Rolleiflex. Like I said, when I first bought my 500 C/Ms in the 1980s I tended to see photographs that were appropriate for rectangular format (vert & horz) because I had been working with 35mm SLRs and large format cameras for so long. It took a while for me to see square. When I was making portraits or out on the street it took a while for it to become second nature. Also to figure out the ability to make something appear to look vert or horz when it was indeed square. Or how to subconsciously exploit the square format so when I would see something or a scene for it to easily translate into the square format. I would argue that it takes a very long time when working with different equipment, especially different formats, and even changes from say SLR to rangefinder, for it all to become second nature.
After stating the way you like to work and and the type of work that you do and if you like the results you are getting; then my question to you is why change?
To close out here (sorry for the long post) Leica did a piece on my work a while back. They also did an interview in that piece and it sort of gets to the heart of why I shoot with a rangefinder. Leica M to be specific.
https://www.leica-camera.blog/2016/12/15/spontaneous-relationships/
Good luck on your decision.
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Same with using a square format like a 500 C/M or a TLR like a Rolleiflex. Like I said, when I first bought my 500 C/Ms in the 1980s I tended to see photographs that were appropriate for rectangular format (vert & horz) because I had been working with 35mm SLRs and large format cameras for so long. It took a while for me to see square. When I was making portraits or out on the street it took a while for it to become second nature. Also to figure out the ability to make something appear to look vert or horz when it was indeed square. Or how to subconsciously exploit the square format so when I would see something or a scene for it to easily translate into the square format. I would argue that it takes a very long time when working with different equipment, especially different formats, and even changes from say SLR to rangefinder, for it all to become second nature.
After stating the way you like to work and and the type of work that you do and if you like the results you are getting; then my question to you is why change?
To close out here (sorry for the long post) Leica did a piece on my work a while back. They also did an interview in that piece and it sort of gets to the heart of why I shoot with a rangefinder. Leica M to be specific.
https://www.leica-camera.blog/2016/12/15/spontaneous-relationships/
Good luck on your decision.
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Jan 19, 2019 at 08:31 AM
