Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1507 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
And two Portra 400 shots for Gary (posted previously but re-scanned for a natural unprocessed color).
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4399/37030216581_b61366d241_o.jpgM7-50 Planar-Portra 400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4332/37172334345_c6fd9343dd_o.jpgM7-50 Planar-Portra 400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
This helps a lot. Thanks Edward...
And two Portra 400 shots for Gary (posted previously but re-scanned for a natural unprocessed color).
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4399/37030216581_b61366d241_o.jpgM7-50 Planar-Portra 400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4332/37172334345_c6fd9343dd_o.jpgM7-50 Planar-Portra 400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
This helps a lot. Thanks Edward...
Sep 11, 2017 at 02:42 PM
p.1507 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
Does anyone in the world process Kodachrome? I have one roll from an old film camera my Dad gave me many years ago and I would like to see what is on it. I would even be willing to try to process it in B&W chemicals (or C41) if there was a slim chance I could see what is on it... I think I am SOL though.
I don't think anyone is doing it and it is a very different process from E6 or C41, I don't even know if B&W chemistry would work because K 14 was an additive process. Thats why it was so stable.
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airfrogusmc wrote
Always hoping that Kodak would again fire up 120 Kodachrome processing agin. .I don't think anyone is doing it and it is a very different process from E6 or C41, I don't even know if B&W chemistry would work because K 14 was an additive process. Thats why it was so stable.
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Sep 11, 2017 at 04:04 PM
p.1507 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
Check this out
This video made me scared that my M10 will break due to so much human involvement in the assembly process.. It seems to have had the opposite effect for what it was trying to achieve
Cool video tho, thanks for sharing.
Check this out
This video made me scared that my M10 will break due to so much human involvement in the assembly process.. It seems to have had the opposite effect for what it was trying to achieve
Cool video tho, thanks for sharing.
Sep 11, 2017 at 08:08 PM
p.1507 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Adam - I know where you're coming from. Reminds me of a book on the Honda company, translated from Japanese, that I read some years ago: at one point it describes the experience of a Japanese car manufacturing team (don't remember whether it was Toyota or Honda) that sent a consulting team to Mercedes-Benz in the late 70s or early 80s and were shocked to find that the MB cars came off the assembly line with everything (gears, engines) fitting perfectly only after teams of workers had filed everything down by hand. The consulting effort was a part of MB's great, and successful, push to reduce manufacturing costs that had risen out of sight.
Like you, I lose confidence if a large part of the internal work and adjustments in camera manufacturing is done by hand. Am not at all an admirer of "hand-made" cameras in the digital and high-precision age.
Regards, Mitch
Like you, I lose confidence if a large part of the internal work and adjustments in camera manufacturing is done by hand. Am not at all an admirer of "hand-made" cameras in the digital and high-precision age.
Regards, Mitch
Sep 11, 2017 at 08:40 PM
p.1507 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Mitch I am a fan of hand assembled things if they are done by highly skilled craftsman and woman. Leica has been doing it for over 70 years. I'd say they have it all figured out.
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Sep 11, 2017 at 08:53 PM
p.1507 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Haha, I got the same feeling. No wonder Ron's M240 had hiccup mine doesn't. Every machine is unique
I do enjoy watching the video, Allen thanks for sharing.
adamdewilde wrote:
This video made me scared that my M10 will break due to so much human involvement in the assembly process.. It seems to have had the opposite effect for what it was trying to achieve
Cool video tho, thanks for sharing.
I do enjoy watching the video, Allen thanks for sharing.
adamdewilde wrote:
airfrogusmc wrote
Check this outCool video tho, thanks for sharing.
Sep 11, 2017 at 09:27 PM
p.1507 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I had many other issues with my Canons and, knock on wood, none of those things with Leica. Failure is all part of it whether they are hand assembled or machine assembled. I would rather have a highly skilled human testing and checking during the entire process than not.
Sep 12, 2017 at 07:06 AM
p.1507 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I haven't been that lucky with my digital M cameras. My first M9 had the first cracked sensor recorded, straight from the dealer. My M10 is going back to Wetzlar for a shutter replacement: the shutter has an intermittent problem, mainly at high shutter speeds, but sometimes at 1/125 and 1/250 as well.
Sep 12, 2017 at 07:17 AM
p.1507 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I...Show more →
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones.
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I...Show more →
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones.
Sep 12, 2017 at 07:23 AM
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p.1507 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thats nuts and sorry to hear it Mitch but it can happen with any mechanical device. My experience has been just to opposite (so far) I don't want to say that to loud.
Ia really rough on my gear to.
Ia really rough on my gear to.
Sep 12, 2017 at 07:26 AM
p.1507 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
adamdewilde wrote:
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones.
I say go to any forum, insert brand here _________ and you will see pages and pages of problems people have experienced. I have a couple of friends here in area (also full time photographers) that also have not had any issues with their digital M's (other than the recall) so I don't think that I am alone.
airfrogusmc wrote
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I had many other issues with my Canons and, knock on wood, none of those things with Leica. Failure is all part of it whether they are hand assembled or machine assembled. I would rather have a highly skilled human testing and checking during the entire process than not.I say go to any forum, insert brand here _________ and you will see pages and pages of problems people have experienced. I have a couple of friends here in area (also full time photographers) that also have not had any issues with their digital M's (other than the recall) so I don't think that I am alone.
Sep 12, 2017 at 07:30 AM
p.1507 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I have never had to send in any digital Leica at any point in time. The only thing was when I first bought my M240 and they had that dumb recall on the strap lugs. 
Sep 12, 2017 at 08:38 AM
p.1507 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
Check this out
adamdewilde wrote:
This video made me scared that my M10 will break due to so much human involvement in the assembly process.. It seems to have had the opposite effect for what it was trying to achieve
Cool video tho, thanks for sharing.
zhangyue wrote:
Haha, I got the same feeling. No wonder Ron's M240 had hiccup mine doesn't. Every machine is unique
I do enjoy watching the video, Allen thanks for sharing.
I thought the same thing during the video, haha. "Look at the bare fingers touching the components!"
My M240 has generally been sound, other than the phantom lockups that have mostly been resolved with FW updates and RF calibrations, which it desperately needs again. That said, RF is probably the only type of camera you can shoot out of calibration and still get properly and consistently focused images, even wide open. Just have to know how much offset to use with each lens. That's the case for me now and in a way it's like the camera has its own personality. If I send it away for calibration, then I have to relearn it all over again with each lens (since there's a low probability that all lenses will be properly calibrated). It's really the crazy long turnaround time that keeps me from sending it...
I agree with Allen that no manufacturer is immune from manufacturing defects. Just in the past week I've had my 1DXII throw an Err80 code, but it kept working. Back in May in the middle of a week-long hockey tournament its mirror went completely out of whack, making it useless (of course I had a back up camera along). The guy I shoot weddings with had his throw an Err20 recently and was non-functional for the rest of the wedding... of course he had a second identical body and another backup camera along to keep on shooting... As I've mentioned before, my two 1DIIIs were often at Canon. That was probably the worst ever in respect to longterm reliability. I had a 1DIIN shutter fail at 70K and 1DX shutter replaced at 400K... The big difference with Canon has been their CPS program and immediate loaners, but that doesn't do anything for you right at the time of gear failure. At least now with digital it's pretty much immediately obvious if there is a problem, like a shutter failure. Or user error, such as with RF leaving the lens cap on the camera and shooting...
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Check this out
adamdewilde wrote:
This video made me scared that my M10 will break due to so much human involvement in the assembly process.. It seems to have had the opposite effect for what it was trying to achieve
Cool video tho, thanks for sharing.
zhangyue wrote:
Haha, I got the same feeling. No wonder Ron's M240 had hiccup mine doesn't. Every machine is unique
I do enjoy watching the video, Allen thanks for sharing.
I thought the same thing during the video, haha. "Look at the bare fingers touching the components!"
My M240 has generally been sound, other than the phantom lockups that have mostly been resolved with FW updates and RF calibrations, which it desperately needs again. That said, RF is probably the only type of camera you can shoot out of calibration and still get properly and consistently focused images, even wide open. Just have to know how much offset to use with each lens.
That's the case for me now and in a way it's like the camera has its own personality. If I send it away for calibration, then I have to relearn it all over again with each lens (since there's a low probability that all lenses will be properly calibrated). It's really the crazy long turnaround time that keeps me from sending it...I agree with Allen that no manufacturer is immune from manufacturing defects. Just in the past week I've had my 1DXII throw an Err80 code, but it kept working. Back in May in the middle of a week-long hockey tournament its mirror went completely out of whack, making it useless (of course I had a back up camera along). The guy I shoot weddings with had his throw an Err20 recently and was non-functional for the rest of the wedding... of course he had a second identical body and another backup camera along to keep on shooting... As I've mentioned before, my two 1DIIIs were often at Canon. That was probably the worst ever in respect to longterm reliability. I had a 1DIIN shutter fail at 70K and 1DX shutter replaced at 400K... The big difference with Canon has been their CPS program and immediate loaners, but that doesn't do anything for you right at the time of gear failure. At least now with digital it's pretty much immediately obvious if there is a problem, like a shutter failure. Or user error, such as with RF leaving the lens cap on the camera and shooting...
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Sep 12, 2017 at 10:02 AM
p.1507 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones.I say go to any forum, insert brand here _________ and you will see pages and pages of problems people have experienced. I have a couple of friends here in area (also full time photographers) that also have not had any issues with their digital M's (other than the recall) so I don't think that I am alone.
Of course you're not alone. If EVERYONE had a problem with their M, Leica would be in trouble.
What about the M10 ISO dial issue? That's pretty widespread. That's an issue of human error that had to be corrected by a replacement of part that was "easier to reliably install".
I could go on about every M camera I've owned. I could go on about all Leica's other lines (which BTW are also somewhat hand assembled, especially the lenses).
adamdewilde wrote
airfrogusmc wrote
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I had many other issues with my Canons and, knock on wood, none of those things with Leica. Failure is all part of it whether they are hand assembled or machine assembled. I would rather have a highly skilled human testing and checking during the entire process than not.Of course you're not alone. If EVERYONE had a problem with their M, Leica would be in trouble.
What about the M10 ISO dial issue? That's pretty widespread. That's an issue of human error that had to be corrected by a replacement of part that was "easier to reliably install".
I could go on about every M camera I've owned. I could go on about all Leica's other lines (which BTW are also somewhat hand assembled, especially the lenses).
Sep 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM
p.1507 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rscheffler wrote:
Cool video tho, thanks for sharing.
I do enjoy watching the video, Allen thanks for sharing.I thought the same thing during the video, haha. "Look at the bare fingers touching the components!"
My M240 has generally been sound, other than the phantom lockups that have mostly been resolved with FW updates and RF calibrations, which it desperately needs again. That said, RF is probably the only type of camera you can shoot out of calibration and still get properly and consistently focused images, even wide open. Just have to know how much offset to use with each lens. That's the case for me now and in a way it's like the camera has its own...Show more →
I have no problem with compensate it, however, I find it will slow me down. As I mentioned somewhere else, when situation require speed, I focus from infinity to MFD, when I have time and require accuracy, I focus from MFD to infinity. Right now, my full set lens are in sync with my M240P (thanks for DAG)
Under time pressure. I find myself forget compensate or compensate the other way around
airfrogusmc wrote
Check this outadamdewilde wrote
This video made me scared that my M10 will break due to so much human involvement in the assembly process.. It seems to have had the opposite effect for what it was trying to achieveCool video tho, thanks for sharing.
zhangyue wrote
Haha, I got the same feeling. No wonder Ron's M240 had hiccup mine doesn't. Every machine is uniqueI do enjoy watching the video, Allen thanks for sharing.
My M240 has generally been sound, other than the phantom lockups that have mostly been resolved with FW updates and RF calibrations, which it desperately needs again. That said, RF is probably the only type of camera you can shoot out of calibration and still get properly and consistently focused images, even wide open. Just have to know how much offset to use with each lens.
That's the case for me now and in a way it's like the camera has its own...Show more →I have no problem with compensate it, however, I find it will slow me down. As I mentioned somewhere else, when situation require speed, I focus from infinity to MFD, when I have time and require accuracy, I focus from MFD to infinity. Right now, my full set lens are in sync with my M240P (thanks for DAG)
Under time pressure. I find myself forget compensate or compensate the other way around
Sep 12, 2017 at 10:07 AM
p.1507 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
adamdewilde wrote:
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones.I say go to any forum, insert brand here _________ and you will see pages and pages of problems people have experienced. I have a couple of friends here in area (also full time photographers) that also have not had any issues with their digital M's (other than the recall) so I don't think that I am alone.Of course you're not alone. If EVERYONE had a problem with their M, Leica would be in trouble.
What about the M10 ISO dial issue? That's pretty widespread. That's an issue of human error that had to be corrected by a replacement of part that was "easier to reliably install".
I could go on about every M camera I've owned. I could go on about all Leica's other lines (which BTW are also somewhat hand assembled, especially the lenses).
What about it? I have no problems with mine. What I find with dedicated forums is you have a handful of people that have experienced issues and because they are in one place and 20 people out of the thousands and in some cases tens of thousand units sold that it seems like a huge issue but in fact it is a very small % considering overall sales.
airfrogusmc wrote
adamdewilde wrote
airfrogusmc wrote
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I had many other issues with my Canons and, knock on wood, none of those things with Leica. Failure is all part of it whether they are hand assembled or machine assembled. I would rather have a highly skilled human testing and checking during the entire process than not.What about the M10 ISO dial issue? That's pretty widespread. That's an issue of human error that had to be corrected by a replacement of part that was "easier to reliably install".
I could go on about every M camera I've owned. I could go on about all Leica's other lines (which BTW are also somewhat hand assembled, especially the lenses).
What about it? I have no problems with mine. What I find with dedicated forums is you have a handful of people that have experienced issues and because they are in one place and 20 people out of the thousands and in some cases tens of thousand units sold that it seems like a huge issue but in fact it is a very small % considering overall sales.
Sep 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM
p.1507 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones.I say go to any forum, insert brand here _________ and you will see pages and pages of problems people have experienced. I have a couple of friends here in area (also full time photographers) that also have not had any issues with their digital M's (other than the recall) so I don't think that I am alone.Of course you're not alone. If EVERYONE had a problem with their M, Leica would be in trouble.
What about the M10 ISO dial issue? That's pretty widespread. That's an issue of human error that had to be corrected by a replacement of part that was "easier to reliably install".
I could go on about every M camera I've owned. I could go on about all Leica's other lines (which BTW are also somewhat hand assembled, especially the lenses).What about it? I have no problems with mine. What I find with dedicated forums is you have a handful of people that have experienced issues and because they are in one place and 20 people out of the thousands and in some cases tens of thousand units sold that it seems like a huge issue but in fact it is a very small % considering overall sales.
Leica M make the best street camera and most enjoyable camera to use.
I have to say reliability is not its strength and is not one of reliable digital cameras out there (definitely the worst I ever used ) My 100cron S just lose its AF and wait me send it to Leica SF. My 50mm Summilux bought brand new, but never perform at this good until I send it to DAG. It gave me lots of focus headache.
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adamdewilde wrote
airfrogusmc wrote
adamdewilde wrote
airfrogusmc wrote
I can honestly tell you this. I shot with Canon digital for a decade. You all know that i do the full time to support the family and my personal work. I had FAR more issues with my Canons than I have had with my 4 Leica digital M bodies. The only issue I have had with my M bodies is the recall on the sensor. With my Canons I was shooting some things for NATO in 2012 here in Chicago and had a complete shutter failure and I have had 1DsMkIII show up from CPS dead on arrival. I had many other issues with my Canons and, knock on wood, none of those things with Leica. Failure is all part of it whether they are hand assembled or machine assembled. I would rather have a highly skilled human testing and checking during the entire process than not.What about the M10 ISO dial issue? That's pretty widespread. That's an issue of human error that had to be corrected by a replacement of part that was "easier to reliably install".
I could go on about every M camera I've owned. I could go on about all Leica's other lines (which BTW are also somewhat hand assembled, especially the lenses).
Leica M make the best street camera and most enjoyable camera to use.
I have to say reliability is not its strength and is not one of reliable digital cameras out there
(definitely the worst I ever used ) My 100cron S just lose its AF and wait me send it to Leica SF. My 50mm Summilux bought brand new, but never perform at this good until I send it to DAG. It gave me lots of focus headache. Edited on Sep 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM · View previous versions
Sep 12, 2017 at 10:19 AM
p.1507 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue wrote:
Right now, my full set lens are in sync with my M240P (thanks for DAG)
Did you send just the camera, or everything?
Right now, my full set lens are in sync with my M240P (thanks for DAG)
Did you send just the camera, or everything?
Sep 12, 2017 at 10:19 AM
p.1507 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rscheffler wrote:
Did you send just the camera, or everything?
I didn't send camera, as I know my 90APO was right on target. and my newly bought 240P also in sync with it. So I only send my 50lux. 35lux and 35 summaron and 21 SEM (I drop it, filter ring need fix). DAG fix them all and to my surprise, even 50lux is perfect at all distance now.
I ask DAG if he can tune digital, he told me yes. I also ask do he need camera to tune lens, he said no need. I thought if there is any problem, I will send my M240 to him for sure.
And if you tell him you are pro and need camera, he will prioritize your fixing. (I didn't but he always ask when I need it, it turn out two week past our promise day though but I know he is very busy.(sometime respond email right away, sometime never) )
zhangyue wrote
Right now, my full set lens are in sync with my M240P (thanks for DAG)I didn't send camera, as I know my 90APO was right on target. and my newly bought 240P also in sync with it. So I only send my 50lux. 35lux and 35 summaron and 21 SEM (I drop it, filter ring need fix). DAG fix them all and to my surprise, even 50lux is perfect at all distance now.
I ask DAG if he can tune digital, he told me yes. I also ask do he need camera to tune lens, he said no need. I thought if there is any problem, I will send my M240 to him for sure.
And if you tell him you are pro and need camera, he will prioritize your fixing. (I didn't but he always ask when I need it, it turn out two week past our promise day though but I know he is very busy.(sometime respond email right away, sometime never) )
Sep 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM