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p.1505 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
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Mitch Alland wroteIt seems to me that often transparency film has a type of beauty in its rendering rendering that we might not bring out when processing digital files. Below are two pictures that have colors that I would probably attenuate if they were produced by my M10: the color in the highlights of the hair in the first picture and blues in the water of the Hong Komg picture. My feeling is that I might want to shoot slide film occasionally to keep this type of color rendering more in my mind wen post-processing my M10 shots. Any thoughts on this?
Back in the film days we tried to eliminate color crossovers as much as possible, tame non-conforming film/light temperature combinations with sets of Kodak Wratten correction filters, etc. Then once we've achieved seemingly near perfect color cleanliness/purity with digital, we want to go back to the 'mess' of film.

But I know what you're getting at. Digital is often stark, too clean... Not just in color but also the difference between say Tri-X scans and Leica MM output. The latter is so technically good, while the film feels warm, imperfectly comfortable.

I was just browsing some reviews of the Kodak DCS early digital SLRs and looking at sample images from those, thinking, wow, that looks so early digital. Lol. Not that I'm nostalgic for it, but wonder how we will look back at digital imaging characteristics of the 2010s in ~20 years...?
I view it in a slightly different way. Digital has demystified and banalized photography to the extent that we are bombarded each and every day with zillions of meaningless photographs, from someone's lunch to selfies ...etc. So now that everyone can take a photograph and post it immediately on Facebook, in my opinion, the interest in taking photos with advanced digital gear has diminished, at least to some like myself. I do not wish to contribute to this global madness. Hence going back to film allows me to go back to the roots somehow. Rediscovering the analog feel, the limited
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Well said Edward.
Sep 09, 2017 at 08:57 AM
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Mitch Alland wrote:
Edward - I understand your feeling about this in emotional terms, but not in terms of logic. Of course, a photographer can take great photos regardless of medium. Before digital, people took "millions" of "meaningless photographs" with point-and-shoot cameras that were meaningful to them or their families and some of which went into their photo albums. Today, with smart phones, those "millions" have become "zillions." But this democratization of photography is merely a continuation of the trend of increasing mass picture-making since George Eastman, the founder of Kodak, coined in 1888 the advertising slogan, "You Press the Button, We
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Hi Mitch,

First, thank you very much for taking the time to respond to my post, and I know from your work and posts on different forums, that you do not totally disagree with me

The logical disconnect in my reasoning, as you describe it, may be true, if someone's purpose is to take photos regardless of the medium, be it film, or DSLR, or smart phone. However, this is not me. I don't really care about taking photos, and if I was, most street shooting could be done with a smart phone, with better results than a Leica M in terms of compactness, unobtrusiveness, and portability. The photos for me are just a coincidental by product. What I really like as an amateur is using nice mechanical pieces to take photos. It is about the act of shooting and the experience, for me. That is why I was shooting with a digital Leica M and not some AF DSLR or mirrorless. That is the emotional part that cannot be explained by logic Some artists prefer to paint with oil, others with water colors. Maybe oil is technically superior, so painters should logically all paint with oil?
Sep 09, 2017 at 09:57 AM
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Thanks guys and I do so miss film and will maybe someday return but I really enjoy digital and as you can see the M 10 has wonderful color and DR. DR is something that most transparency films lacked compared to C 41 or negative film and B&W negative film. And I always went under about 1/3 of a stop with Kodachrome and got the saturation I wanted at the expense of some shadow detail. I still had several rolls of Kodachrome 64 120 in my freezer until a few years ago. Always hoping that Kodak would again fire up 120 Kodachrome processing agin. When they discontinued all Kodachrome processing it finally hit the dumpster. But I do find the color from the M9 and now the M 10 to be very good. My commercial work is another real reason for digital for me at this point in time. I do have a dream after retirement to pick up an old 8X10 Deardorff and take up the zone system again. But finding a good one n good shape and an 8X10 enlarger might be take some time and $$$$. Till then I will continue to enjoy shooting with my Leica Ms and hopefully my M-E and MM will be coming home from Leica soon. I really miss the MM though I might be a bit thrown because of how freakin responsive the M 10 is.
Sep 09, 2017 at 11:03 AM
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Joakim, how do you like the 75 2.4? I was considering a 75Cron but the 75 2.4 seems very nice and am thinking of getting one.



I find the IQ to be very good and the small size is also a plus, it balances well on my MM-246. The build quality is not the same as more expensive Leica lenses but it is still handles well and all in all I feel no need to "upgrade" to the Summicron.
Sep 09, 2017 at 03:35 PM
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Sep 09, 2017 at 03:43 PM
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Leica M240, 7Artisans 50 1.1.
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Sep 09, 2017 at 07:50 PM
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joakim wrote:
joe88 wroteJoakim, how do you like the 75 2.4? I was considering a 75Cron but the 75 2.4 seems very nice and am thinking of getting one.
I find the IQ to be very good and the small size is also a plus, it balances well on my MM-246. The build quality is not the same as more expensive Leica lenses but it is still handles well and all in all I feel no need to "upgrade" to the Summicron.


I have the Summarit 75 f/2.5, which is optically nearly identical to the f/2.4. All I can say is that I am constantly amazed by the IQ that comes from this lens. I feel no need for the 75 Summicron.

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Mitch Alland wrote:
Edward - I understand your feeling about this in emotional terms, but not in terms of logic. Of course, a photographer can take great photos regardless of medium. Before digital, people took "millions" of "meaningless photographs" with point-and-shoot cameras that were meaningful to them or their families and some of which went into their photo albums. Today, with smart phones, those "millions" have become "zillions." But this democratization of photography is merely a continuation of the trend of increasing mass picture-making since George Eastman, the founder of Kodak, coined in 1888 the advertising slogan, "You Press the Button, We
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edwardkaraa wrote:
Hi Mitch,

First, thank you very much for taking the time to respond to my post, and I know from your work and posts on different forums, that you do not totally disagree with me

The logical disconnect in my reasoning, as you describe it, may be true, if someone's purpose is to take photos regardless of the medium, be it film, or DSLR, or smart phone. However, this is not me. I don't really care about taking photos, and if I was, most street shooting could be done with a smart phone, with better results than a Leica M in
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I appreciate what you're saying Edward. I value the process and experience of being out and shooting with gear I enjoy using, though the goal of my photographic 'hunt' is also to bring back images that appeal to me.

I guess I would say my objective is to make images, regardless of the medium, however, currently digital is what I prefer for various technical reasons and conveniences. And Leica digital M provides the type of process and shooting experience I currently enjoy most.

Mitch Alland wrote:
In this context, it's interesting to look at Ron Scheffler's M240 images in post p.1505 #1 and see how much they look like transparency film — I wish I had this level of digital post-processing skills, for, then, I wouldn't need to shoot slide films occasionally in order to reinforce the lesson on the colors rendition that I want to get out the M10.


Thanks Mitch, though my end goal isn't really to emulate transparency film. It's possibly an idealization of how I would have wanted transparency film to look, had I been shooting it. But as Allen mentioned, the contrast and limited dynamic range was always a hurdle. Perhaps my images are processed more in line with how I would want custom prints from color negatives to look.

Lately I often reduce contrast 20-30 points or more in Lightroom, then using the tone curve, and to some degree highlights and white sliders, rebuild image contrast in a manner that appeals to me.
Sep 09, 2017 at 11:24 PM
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Mitch Alland wroteEdward - I understand your feeling about this in emotional terms, but not in terms of logic. Of course, a photographer can take great photos regardless of medium. Before digital, people took "millions" of "meaningless photographs" with point-and-shoot cameras that were meaningful to them or their families and some of which went into their photo albums. Today, with smart phones, those "millions" have become "zillions." But this democratization of photography is merely a continuation of the trend of increasing mass picture-making since George Eastman, the founder of Kodak, coined in 1888 the advertising slogan, "You Press the Button, We Do the Rest". Today, among the zillions of smart phone images posted on Facebook and Instagram there is a lot of junk; but the amount of great photography produced in this way is also huge.

Now, the logical disconnect, for me, is saying that, So now that everyone can take a photograph and post it immediately on Facebook, in my opinion, the interest in taking photos with advanced digital gear has diminished, at least to some like myself. I do not wish to contribute to this global madness. As I see it, you neither have to contribute to the "madness" by posting on Facebook or, looking at it in reverse, you could use a smartphone and take great pictures.

Looking at your photography dispassionately, I can see why you've gone back to film at this point of time: you're generally producing better color shots with film than you're were doing with the M9 or the M240 for two reasons, I think: first, one often tends to get a bounce from the inspiration of changing to a different type of camera and, second, more importantly, your film work renders the high tones of harsh, bright tropical light much more gently and gracefully than digital does (unless one is extremely careful to underexpose and then bring up the shadows in post-processing. My prediction, though, is that, eventually, you'll go back to digital, having absorbed the lessons of how film renders bright highlights to your future digital work.
edwardkaraa wroteHi Mitch,

First, thank you very much for taking the time to respond to my post, and I know from your work and posts on different forums, that you do not totally disagree with me

The logical disconnect in my reasoning, as you describe it, may be true, if someone's purpose is to take photos regardless of the medium, be it film, or DSLR, or smart phone. However, this is not me. I don't really care about taking photos, and if I was, most street shooting could be done with a smart phone, with better results than a Leica M in terms of compactness, unobtrusiveness, and portability. The photos for me are just a coincidental by product. What I really like as an amateur is using nice mechanical pieces to take photos. It is about the act of shooting and the experience, for me. That is why I was shooting with a digital Leica M and not some AF DSLR or mirrorless. That is the emotional part that cannot be explained by logic Some artists prefer to paint with oil, others with water colors. Maybe oil is technically superior, so painters should logically all paint with oil?
I appreciate what you're saying Edward. I value the process and experience of being out and shooting with gear I enjoy using, though the goal of my photographic 'hunt' is also to bring back images that appeal to me.

I guess I would say my objective is to make images, regardless of the medium, however, currently digital is what I prefer for various technical reasons and conveniences. And Leica digital M provides the type of process and shooting experience I currently enjoy most.

Mitch Alland wroteIn this context, it's interesting to look at Ron Scheffler's M240 images in post p.1505 #1 and see how much they look like transparency film — I wish I had this level of digital post-processing skills, for, then, I wouldn't need to shoot slide films occasionally in order to reinforce the lesson on the colors rendition that I want to get out the M10.
Thanks Mitch, though my end goal isn't really to emulate transparency film. It's possibly an idealization of how I
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Well, Ron, you are certainly doing an amazing work with your photography and I really enjoy your photos even though you don't post so often anymore.

Just to clarify one point though. I do find my film work to be more esthetically pleasing, to my eyes at least, than my previous digital work. That's probably because I lack the PP skills that you and many guys in this thread obviously have. I'm not completely disinterested in the end result, despite prioritizing the shooting experience. If however in the future the smart phone becomes the only option to take photos, with results better than any current pro gear, I would probably not be interested in this hobby anymore.
Sep 09, 2017 at 11:59 PM
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joakim wrote:
joe88 wroteJoakim, how do you like the 75 2.4? I was considering a 75Cron but the 75 2.4 seems very nice and am thinking of getting one.
I find the IQ to be very good and the small size is also a plus, it balances well on my MM-246. The build quality is not the same as more expensive Leica lenses but it is still handles well and all in all I feel no need to "upgrade" to the Summicron.


I have the 75 2.5 and I like it. it is really sharp, small for the F/L and light. Agree about the build but wasn't 4k either.
Sep 10, 2017 at 07:23 AM
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Sep 10, 2017 at 07:52 AM
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Sep 10, 2017 at 08:49 AM
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Continuing with digitalizations of old slides, with the same setup. The first is at Taylor Bay Beach (Providenciales, Turks and Caicos) and the second near Solomons on Mill Creek, off the Chesapeake Bay, both in the late-1980s on Kodachrome 64, taken with the M6 and the Summicron 50.








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Sep 10, 2017 at 08:51 AM
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edwardkaraa wrote:
Last set from Luang Prabang, Laos.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4396/36709401830_2dbd7542a3_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4428/36270338304_e7b1231c5b_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/36709400320_76eb0d63b8_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4342/36270335284_d2060d3aa1_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr


Thanks for sharing these nice shots of Luang Prabang!
Sorry to see that this is your last set, as i have been enjoying them. The first image from this set, is that from on top of Phousi? Such a great little city to walk around in.

Sep 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM
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wayne seltzer wrote:
edwardkaraa wroteLast set from Luang Prabang, Laos.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4396/36709401830_2dbd7542a3_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4428/36270338304_e7b1231c5b_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/36709400320_76eb0d63b8_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4342/36270335284_d2060d3aa1_o.jpgM7-Distagon 1.4/35 ZM-Pro 400H by edward karaa, on Flickr
Thanks for sharing these nice shots of Luang Prabang!
Sorry to see that this is your last set, as i have been enjoying them. The first image from this set, is that from on top of Phousi? Such a great little city to walk around in.



Thanks Wayne! Actually there is one more black and white roll that I still at the lab

You are correct! First and second shots are both taken from the top of Phousi.
Sep 10, 2017 at 11:06 AM
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