Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1463 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Been a long time! Spring is my 'busy time', so not much shooting! With the announcement of Leica not replacing monochrom sensors for free after August 15, I decided to send mine in. In the meantime, I picked up a M246. Really nice camera. Here's one shot from the first day:
Jun 17, 2017 at 10:06 AM
p.1463 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Hey Chuck great shot. I just sent mine back in last week.
How do you like the new MM?
BTW I am on the waiting list for an M 10.
How do you like the new MM?
BTW I am on the waiting list for an M 10.
Jun 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM
p.1463 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Allen! Good to hear from you man! I heard back from Leica. They said that the repair will be 'months'. Sucks. On the bright side, the 246 seems to have addressed my only real gripe with the MM1...the buffer. I'm not heavy on the shutter, but there are times when I'm working the moment a bit and I hit the buffer after a few shots. It's not an issue most of the time, but it has cost me shots in a wedding. The 246 is uber-responsive.
I just got the camera two days ago, so I haven't really put it through it's paces, but it seems super so far! At first blush, I think the CCD vs. CMOS debate is overhyped. These shots are PLENTY sharp. I don't notice a real difference yet.
I just got the camera two days ago, so I haven't really put it through it's paces, but it seems super so far! At first blush, I think the CCD vs. CMOS debate is overhyped. These shots are PLENTY sharp. I don't notice a real difference yet.
Jun 17, 2017 at 10:22 AM
p.1463 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I know what you mean about the buffer, I don't have an issue with the M 262 but do with both the original MM and the M-E. I hear that the M 10 is even more responsive and really good at high ISO. I think that the new MM would be even sharper than the original.. I've also read that it's better in low light also than the original. Looking forward to seeing more from your new camera.
Jun 17, 2017 at 10:26 AM
p.1463 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
The M10 is indeed more responsive. It's maybe not quite as significant an improvement as the M240 series was over the M9, but along those lines. This just based on my initial impressions playing with one at a Leica Store recently.
Not sure if I mentioned it a while back, but I also sent in my M9 for sensor corrosion evaluation and received a confirmation receipt that they got it about a month ago, but haven't heard anything since. Still deciding what I'd like to do with it, in respect to repair or upgrade.
Leica Store Miami posted an update for the upgrade options as follows:
Upgrade from M9/M-E
to M (Typ 240) $3,100
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,700
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,980
to M (Typ 262) $3,100
to SL (Typ 601) $3,900
to Q (Typ 116) $2,350
Upgrade from M9-P
to M (Typ 240) $2,800
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,400
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,680
to M (Typ 262) $2,800
to SL (Typ 601) $3,500
to Q (Typ 116) $2,100
Upgrade from Monochrom
to M (Typ 240) $2,750
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,400
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,480
to M (Typ 262) $2,750
to SL (Typ 601) $3,300
to Q (Typ 116) $2,100
What I really want is an M10. I would rather receive a credit towards one from Leica than any of the options above, but suppose that won't happen as long as they have considerable M240 inventory. The SL slightly interests me, but after trying one at a Leica Store with the 90-280, found the AF was too inconsistent with moving subjects to be reliable. At least nowhere near the consistency I currently get with my Canon gear. It could be neat to adapt glass to it, but I also tried an M10 and IMO it's the far better option for M lenses if you wish to use live view. OK, the EVF resolution isn't as high as the SL, but the sensor is properly optimized for M lenses (I didn't find that to be the case with some wider M lenses on the SL) and it's considerably more responsive than the M240 generation in live view mode.
My best course will probably be to wait the ~6 months to get the M9's sensor replaced, then sell it and the M240 and put the money towards an M10. Maybe by that time the camera will be more readily available, or perhaps even in 'demo' form at a better price...
I just don't think it makes sense to spend ~$3000 for another M240 when I probably won't get all that much more for it on the used market
Not sure if I mentioned it a while back, but I also sent in my M9 for sensor corrosion evaluation and received a confirmation receipt that they got it about a month ago, but haven't heard anything since. Still deciding what I'd like to do with it, in respect to repair or upgrade.
Leica Store Miami posted an update for the upgrade options as follows:
Upgrade from M9/M-E
to M (Typ 240) $3,100
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,700
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,980
to M (Typ 262) $3,100
to SL (Typ 601) $3,900
to Q (Typ 116) $2,350
Upgrade from M9-P
to M (Typ 240) $2,800
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,400
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,680
to M (Typ 262) $2,800
to SL (Typ 601) $3,500
to Q (Typ 116) $2,100
Upgrade from Monochrom
to M (Typ 240) $2,750
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,400
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,480
to M (Typ 262) $2,750
to SL (Typ 601) $3,300
to Q (Typ 116) $2,100
What I really want is an M10. I would rather receive a credit towards one from Leica than any of the options above, but suppose that won't happen as long as they have considerable M240 inventory. The SL slightly interests me, but after trying one at a Leica Store with the 90-280, found the AF was too inconsistent with moving subjects to be reliable. At least nowhere near the consistency I currently get with my Canon gear. It could be neat to adapt glass to it, but I also tried an M10 and IMO it's the far better option for M lenses if you wish to use live view. OK, the EVF resolution isn't as high as the SL, but the sensor is properly optimized for M lenses (I didn't find that to be the case with some wider M lenses on the SL) and it's considerably more responsive than the M240 generation in live view mode.
My best course will probably be to wait the ~6 months to get the M9's sensor replaced, then sell it and the M240 and put the money towards an M10. Maybe by that time the camera will be more readily available, or perhaps even in 'demo' form at a better price...
I just don't think it makes sense to spend ~$3000 for another M240 when I probably won't get all that much more for it on the used market
Jun 17, 2017 at 11:12 AM
p.1463 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
A few recent M7 shots:
M7-ZM 50/2-Agfa Vista 200 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M7-ZM 50/2-Agfa Vista 200 by edward karaa, on FlickrM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on FlickrM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on FlickrM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on FlickrJun 17, 2017 at 11:55 AM
p.1463 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Ron, I agree with you about spending $3000+ on Mp240 in additional to your M9. I'd just simply replace the sensor and sell it straight. Lots of people still feel M9 is special. It is as it is the last CCD M.
I tried m10 yesterday, the VF difference is not obvious to me, I did quick switch back and forth to check it up, still not much. I guess the magnification of OVF of SLR make much bigger difference in person say S and D810.
But body indeed feel much leaner, tighter, image review also more responsive. I took a few shots around store, haven't check them yet but handling is indeed very lovely. It is just feel better somehow. It make my recent got A7RII looks like a toy
I will see how I can withhold the temptation. I might just get the P version or MM10
I tried m10 yesterday, the VF difference is not obvious to me, I did quick switch back and forth to check it up, still not much. I guess the magnification of OVF of SLR make much bigger difference in person say S and D810.
But body indeed feel much leaner, tighter, image review also more responsive. I took a few shots around store, haven't check them yet but handling is indeed very lovely. It is just feel better somehow. It make my recent got A7RII looks like a toy
I will see how I can withhold the temptation. I might just get the P version or MM10
Jun 17, 2017 at 12:03 PM
p.1463 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Beautiful film shots, Ed. We all moving forward, only you went backward
edwardkaraa wrote:
A few recent M7 shots:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4266/34522411134_a357313a9d_o.jpgM7-ZM 50/2-Agfa Vista 200 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4243/35325753386_a3d8aa102e_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4283/34522415974_e2978633e0_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/35325756286_2c84448a32_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
edwardkaraa wrote:
A few recent M7 shots:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4266/34522411134_a357313a9d_o.jpgM7-ZM 50/2-Agfa Vista 200 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4243/35325753386_a3d8aa102e_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4283/34522415974_e2978633e0_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/35325756286_2c84448a32_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
Jun 17, 2017 at 12:13 PM
p.1463 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thank you Zhangyue! 
Forwards, backwards, as long as we're moving
zhangyue wrote:
Beautiful film shots, Ed. We all moving forward, only you went backward
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4266/34522411134_a357313a9d_o.jpgM7-ZM 50/2-Agfa Vista 200 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4243/35325753386_a3d8aa102e_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4283/34522415974_e2978633e0_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/35325756286_2c84448a32_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
Forwards, backwards, as long as we're moving
zhangyue wrote:
Beautiful film shots, Ed. We all moving forward, only you went backward
edwardkaraa wrote
A few recent M7 shots:https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4266/34522411134_a357313a9d_o.jpgM7-ZM 50/2-Agfa Vista 200 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4243/35325753386_a3d8aa102e_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4283/34522415974_e2978633e0_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/35325756286_2c84448a32_o.jpgM7-ZM 35/1.4-Lomo F2|400 by edward karaa, on Flickr
Jun 17, 2017 at 12:19 PM
p.1463 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue wrote:
Ron, I agree with you about spending $3000+ on Mp240 in additional to your M9. I'd just simply replace the sensor
I tried m10 yesterday, the VF difference is not obvious to me, I did quick switch back and forth to check it up, still not much. I guess the magnification of OVF of SLR make much bigger difference in person say S and D810.
I did the same and felt the same. Side by side I can't feel much different. And with *normal* lenses there isn't, to me. However you need to test it with the *problem* lenses. The ones that have low accuracy on the M240. My Noctilux and 90AA are significantly easier to get perfect focus on with the M10 and the 135 APO is a revelation. I've gone from 50% to 95% in focus shots overnight with the M10.
I still have and love my M-P but now waiting for the camera annoys me a bit. There's no waiting with the M10.
Gordon
Ron, I agree with you about spending $3000+ on Mp240 in additional to your M9. I'd just simply replace the sensor
I tried m10 yesterday, the VF difference is not obvious to me, I did quick switch back and forth to check it up, still not much. I guess the magnification of OVF of SLR make much bigger difference in person say S and D810.
I did the same and felt the same. Side by side I can't feel much different. And with *normal* lenses there isn't, to me. However you need to test it with the *problem* lenses. The ones that have low accuracy on the M240. My Noctilux and 90AA are significantly easier to get perfect focus on with the M10 and the 135 APO is a revelation. I've gone from 50% to 95% in focus shots overnight with the M10.
I still have and love my M-P but now waiting for the camera annoys me a bit. There's no waiting with the M10.
Gordon
Jun 17, 2017 at 03:44 PM
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p.1463 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rscheffler wrote:
The M10 is indeed more responsive. It's maybe not quite as significant an improvement as the M240 series was over the M9, but along those lines. This just based on my initial impressions playing with one at a Leica Store recently.
Not sure if I mentioned it a while back, but I also sent in my M9 for sensor corrosion evaluation and received a confirmation receipt that they got it about a month ago, but haven't heard anything since. Still deciding what I'd like to do with it, in respect to repair or upgrade.
Leica Store Miami posted an update for the...Show more →
Ron - go for a film M!!
The M10 is indeed more responsive. It's maybe not quite as significant an improvement as the M240 series was over the M9, but along those lines. This just based on my initial impressions playing with one at a Leica Store recently.
Not sure if I mentioned it a while back, but I also sent in my M9 for sensor corrosion evaluation and received a confirmation receipt that they got it about a month ago, but haven't heard anything since. Still deciding what I'd like to do with it, in respect to repair or upgrade.
Leica Store Miami posted an update for the...Show more →
Ron - go for a film M!!
Jun 17, 2017 at 06:59 PM
p.1463 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
rscheffler wrote
The M10 is indeed more responsive. It's maybe not quite as significant an improvement as the M240 series was over the M9, but along those lines. This just based on my initial impressions playing with one at a Leica Store recently.Not sure if I mentioned it a while back, but I also sent in my M9 for sensor corrosion evaluation and received a confirmation receipt that they got it about a month ago, but haven't heard anything since. Still deciding what I'd like to do with it, in respect to repair or upgrade.
Leica Store Miami posted an update for the upgrade options as follows:
Upgrade from M9/M-E
to M (Typ 240) $3,100
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,700
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,980
to M (Typ 262) $3,100
to SL (Typ 601) $3,900
to Q (Typ 116) $2,350
Upgrade from M9-P
to M (Typ 240) $2,800
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,400
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,680
to M (Typ 262) $2,800
to SL (Typ 601) $3,500
to Q (Typ 116) $2,100
Upgrade from Monochrom
to M (Typ 240) $2,750
to M-P (Typ 240) $3,400
to Monochrom (Typ 246) $3,480
to M (Typ 262) $2,750
to SL (Typ 601) $3,300
to Q (Typ 116) $2,100
What I really want is an M10. I would rather receive a credit towards one from Leica than any of the options above, but suppose that won't happen as long as they have considerable M240 inventory. The SL slightly interests me, but after trying one at a Leica Store with the 90-280, found the AF was too inconsistent with moving subjects to be reliable. At least nowhere near the consistency I currently get with my Canon gear. It could be neat to adapt glass to it, but I also tried an M10 and IMO it's the far better option for M lenses if you wish to use live view. OK, the EVF resolution isn't as high as the SL, but the sensor is properly optimized for M lenses (I didn't find that to be the case with some wider M lenses on the SL) and it's considerably more responsive than the M240 generation in live view mode.
My best course will probably be to wait the ~6 months to get the M9's sensor replaced, then sell it and the M240 and put the money towards an M10. Maybe by that time the camera will be more readily available, or perhaps even in 'demo' form at a better price...
I just don't think it makes sense to spend ~$3000 for another M240 when I probably won't get all that much more for it on the used market
Problem solved!
Jun 17, 2017 at 11:00 PM
p.1463 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Leica M-A & Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH. Kodak Tri-X developed in Ilford ID-11 (1+1) at 20° C for 10 minutes & scanned with an Epson v850.
Just Passing Through by Donald G. Jean, on Flickr
Just Passing Through by Donald G. Jean, on FlickrJun 17, 2017 at 11:20 PM
p.1463 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
dgjean wrote:
Leica M-A & Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH. Kodak Tri-X developed in Ilford ID-11 (1+1) at 20° C for 10 minutes & scanned with an Epson v850.
Damn!. I love this....
Gordon
Leica M-A & Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH. Kodak Tri-X developed in Ilford ID-11 (1+1) at 20° C for 10 minutes & scanned with an Epson v850.
Damn!. I love this....
Gordon
Jun 17, 2017 at 11:57 PM
p.1463 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
One quick one with the 75Lux wide open (on SL, I much prefer RF focusing than EVF focusing but that's the camera I decided to take to the corner store).. Not much time out of the house, been busy (but I like all the little succulents in my neighbourhood).
Jun 17, 2017 at 11:57 PM
p.1463 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
dgjean wrote:
Leica M-A & Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH. Kodak Tri-X developed in Ilford ID-11 (1+1) at 20° C for 10 minutes & scanned with an Epson v850.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4177/33750438184_9fda207858_o.jpgJust Passing Through by Donald G. Jean, on Flickr
Awesome!
Jun 18, 2017 at 02:26 AM
p.1463 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4177/33750438184_9fda207858_o.jpgJust Passing Through by Donald G. Jean, on FlickrAwesome!
Thanks, Edward and Gordon. This was the first roll of film I shot with my M-A. The guy came up quickly behind me and I didn't have time to focus, but I squeezed off a shot anyway. I did the best I could with what I had!
dgjean wrote
Leica M-A & Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH. Kodak Tri-X developed in Ilford ID-11 (1+1) at 20° C for 10 minutes & scanned with an Epson v850.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4177/33750438184_9fda207858_o.jpgJust Passing Through by Donald G. Jean, on Flickr
Thanks, Edward and Gordon. This was the first roll of film I shot with my M-A. The guy came up quickly behind me and I didn't have time to focus, but I squeezed off a shot anyway. I did the best I could with what I had!
Jun 18, 2017 at 02:52 AM
p.1463 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
dgjean wrote:
edwardkaraa wrote
dgjean wrote
Leica M-A & Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH. Kodak Tri-X developed in Ilford ID-11 (1+1) at 20° C for 10 minutes & scanned with an Epson v850.https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4177/33750438184_9fda207858_o.jpgJust Passing Through by Donald G. Jean, on Flickr
That shows that sometimes a flawed image can be much more interesting than a perfect one
Jun 18, 2017 at 03:00 AM
p.1463 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
The Hiding / Torrenieri by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
S006, Vario-Elmar S 30-90
Jun 18, 2017 at 04:10 AM
p.1463 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
Ron - go for a film M!!
I had an M3 DS back in ~1992 but didn't bond with it. I wasn't ready for a Leica then, I guess. I was more into the latest & greatest SLR gear.
I did recently find a stash of film in the basement... ~10 rolls of Fujichrome Provia 400, Fujicolor 400, various B&W... even a couple half-used rolls of Kodachrome 200, lol. I guess it was the remnants from my film inventory after it got evicted from the freezer a couple years or so after I went 100% digital about 15 years ago.
There is a certain nostalgic appeal to shooting film again, but truthfully, it no longer interests me. If I want to work with film images, I've got thousands of negs in binders in addition to a mountainous backlog of digital images on HDDs waiting for some TLC...
Off topic a bit, I am currently borrowing a Canon M5, their current APS-C mirrorless camera. I bought a Leica M lens adapter for it and have tried a bunch of my lenses with it. Unfortunately as I kind of expected, it has the same problems as adapting these lenses to Sony cameras. Many of the wider lenses have noticeable image quality degradation towards the edges of the frame due to the sensor stack. For example, the 21 SEM looks like garbage, in respect to peripheral sharpness, compared to Canon's own EF-M 22/2 lens. So far the CV15/4.5III and 35/1.7M seem to work the best. Of my vintage lenses the Canon LTM 35/2 and 50/1.4 are pretty good, particularly once stopped down, as is the 50 Cron Rigid. I assume the ZM50/2 will be good on it, but the 50 Lux ASPH suffers a bit. Anyway, I would not get this camera just for adapting lenses... I'm more curious about how Canon's mirrorless stacks up against others. It's not bad, but needs refinement, IMO. It's definitely still at a consumer-grade level. And for adapting longer lenses I'd really like to see IBIS, but with Canon firmly in the optical IS camp, I'm not too confident about seeing that feature in a Canon mirrorless.
Ron - go for a film M!!
I had an M3 DS back in ~1992 but didn't bond with it. I wasn't ready for a Leica then, I guess. I was more into the latest & greatest SLR gear.
I did recently find a stash of film in the basement... ~10 rolls of Fujichrome Provia 400, Fujicolor 400, various B&W... even a couple half-used rolls of Kodachrome 200, lol. I guess it was the remnants from my film inventory after it got evicted from the freezer a couple years or so after I went 100% digital about 15 years ago.
There is a certain nostalgic appeal to shooting film again, but truthfully, it no longer interests me. If I want to work with film images, I've got thousands of negs in binders in addition to a mountainous backlog of digital images on HDDs waiting for some TLC...
Off topic a bit, I am currently borrowing a Canon M5, their current APS-C mirrorless camera. I bought a Leica M lens adapter for it and have tried a bunch of my lenses with it. Unfortunately as I kind of expected, it has the same problems as adapting these lenses to Sony cameras. Many of the wider lenses have noticeable image quality degradation towards the edges of the frame due to the sensor stack. For example, the 21 SEM looks like garbage, in respect to peripheral sharpness, compared to Canon's own EF-M 22/2 lens. So far the CV15/4.5III and 35/1.7M seem to work the best. Of my vintage lenses the Canon LTM 35/2 and 50/1.4 are pretty good, particularly once stopped down, as is the 50 Cron Rigid. I assume the ZM50/2 will be good on it, but the 50 Lux ASPH suffers a bit. Anyway, I would not get this camera just for adapting lenses... I'm more curious about how Canon's mirrorless stacks up against others. It's not bad, but needs refinement, IMO. It's definitely still at a consumer-grade level. And for adapting longer lenses I'd really like to see IBIS, but with Canon firmly in the optical IS camp, I'm not too confident about seeing that feature in a Canon mirrorless.
Jun 18, 2017 at 07:09 PM