Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1369 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue wrote:
I don't have the time right now to write a proper review or anything.. But figured I'd share incase anyone was interested in the 50SL (though I don't think anyone on here is using the SL right now, good choice BTW, M is much better!)
http://www.jupitersnake.com/review/50-summilux-sl-f1-4-review-first-look/Hi Adam, thanks for this, very interesting!
The lens seems very clean/modern to me, more along the look of S lenses (though I don't have a lot of experience with these - can only go by what you guys post). I can see what Michael is getting at with the similarities to the ZM35D, at least at nearer distances. The 50 seems somewhat better with background separation at farther distances. What I'm not seeing is the 'warmth' of a lot of M Lux and Cron lenses shot wide open. You know, the 'Leica glow' - that mix of residual SA with just the right amount of sharpness without too much edge. Maybe it's a consequence of it being a 'reference lens' probably designed for future 100MP sensors. Though yeah, the distortion is somewhat surprising in that respect, but considering the 24-90 and Q, not entirely...
The flare characteristics also aren't that surprising. This seems to be one area where Leica is perhaps not quite so great. 28 Lux flare handling is not as good as I would like (though also not typically that problematic). Same with 50 Lux ASPH, 90AA, 90ME...
Bottom line for me is the 50SL's look is a bit generic IMO.
Maybe I should start looking for a 50AA.
I agree with Flare of Leica lens. 50lux ASPH is pretty bad at certain angle with big hard edge circle. In term of rendering, actually S will be a lot smoother than this one but they are all at much slower speed. I also feel 50APO is looking really good and 70 Summarit S almost match its look minus APO and huge size. 35 Summarit S is one of smoothest bokeh WA lens I ever seen and used. 100cron S is too clean to my taste but I won't say the Bokeh is not looking good.
I recently acquire 35mm...Show more →
I don't have the time right now to write a proper review or anything.. But figured I'd share incase anyone was interested in the 50SL (though I don't think anyone on here is using the SL right now, good choice BTW, M is much better!)
http://www.jupitersnake.com/review/50-summilux-sl-f1-4-review-first-look/Adam, thanks for the reviews. Very helpful. I can see it is a job in hurry but I have to say I still can get a lot from what I see here.
I think if CA performance is true,(means no correction baked in DNG) it is quite respectful, it is better than 90-APO_m and better than most 50mm prime lens save for a few real APO design.
Distortion is insane IMHO without correction, I don't remember have seen any 50mm lens behave this bad other than some zoom at this focal. I will not judge sharpness at this time and will not even take your word for it since yours is only copy show up so far. From early samples I saw in LUF thread, I know it is great in center and good enough for the lens intend to be used. It is not a big concern for me. but say it is not sharp in corner till f5.6 sounds scary. I am sure it must be better.
Now, Rendering, This is big to me. The out of focus rendering instantly remind me one lens: Zeiss 35mm ZM distagon f1.4. I am not a fan of that lens personally. (There are many people like it for all different reason.Sorry Edward, Gary, Jako and Philip, Opinion, opinion only) TBH, I feel most modern BEST lenses with good correction fall into this kind of rendering. The few exceptions I have seen so far are: RX1, 85mm GM, Nikon 105f1.4. (of course a few S glass and 50APO and I will add OTUS here as well)
For SL, there may not be a better option. But optically, I see this lens will facing strong competition from a few AF lens introduced in past few years. Name a few: sigma Art, Zony 50mm ZA, 55mm Sonnar etc..
I don't see it in the OTUS league, at least not so far but it is a AF.
At least an image
35mm Summaron f3.5Agree with all of the above!
And also we need to remember something. 35mm lenses are a lot harder to get to look "right" then 50mm lenses. I would have cut this lens a bit more slack if it were a 35lux.
Also that Summaron shot you just posted.. I don't know if it's the light or the lens, but it has a really true to life look. Your sons face looks very clean and real almost 3D.
Great shots again!
I'm also going to move my interests towards vintage M/R lenses. And if my upcoming video job works out the way I have planned, I'll introduce more R lenses into the fold (for video work). I have the 50APO and all I really need to do is decide on what vintage M I'll buy for the times when I want something a little more quirky on my M. Anything different then what the 50APO gives me is fine!
If you think the 100S is to clean, get yourself the 120S. I think I should have kept the 120S and sold the 100S. Simply because I feel it's more similar to what I like from the 35S and 70S.
I am reluctant to re-buy a 35 pre-asph as I had a MINT one and I think it lasted less then a month before I sold it. And now, they're twice the price I originally paid and in far worse shape. BUT your images almost have me convinced to pick one up.
EDIT: Maybe I should start using smaller apertures too
Edited on Oct 19, 2016 at 01:19 AM · View previous versions
rscheffler wrote
adamdewilde wrote
Hi guys great shots..I don't have the time right now to write a proper review or anything.. But figured I'd share incase anyone was interested in the 50SL (though I don't think anyone on here is using the SL right now, good choice BTW, M is much better!)
http://www.jupitersnake.com/review/50-summilux-sl-f1-4-review-first-look/
The lens seems very clean/modern to me, more along the look of S lenses (though I don't have a lot of experience with these - can only go by what you guys post). I can see what Michael is getting at with the similarities to the ZM35D, at least at nearer distances. The 50 seems somewhat better with background separation at farther distances. What I'm not seeing is the 'warmth' of a lot of M Lux and Cron lenses shot wide open. You know, the 'Leica glow' - that mix of residual SA with just the right amount of sharpness without too much edge. Maybe it's a consequence of it being a 'reference lens' probably designed for future 100MP sensors. Though yeah, the distortion is somewhat surprising in that respect, but considering the 24-90 and Q, not entirely...
The flare characteristics also aren't that surprising. This seems to be one area where Leica is perhaps not quite so great. 28 Lux flare handling is not as good as I would like (though also not typically that problematic). Same with 50 Lux ASPH, 90AA, 90ME...
Bottom line for me is the 50SL's look is a bit generic IMO.
Maybe I should start looking for a 50AA.
I recently acquire 35mm...Show more →
?)but world has changed in last few years. the lens map totally changed, the bar is really high now. That is why I always feel Leica should really focused with M and maybe niche S. I am not agreeing their strategy. I guess its not my business. I will look for buying back a few old gem, this thing really no need for perfection. Sadly, every manufacture have to chase those perfection now to survive, better, bigger, maybe cheaper......adamdewilde wrote
zhangyue wrote
adamdewilde wrote
Hi guys great shots..I don't have the time right now to write a proper review or anything.. But figured I'd share incase anyone was interested in the 50SL (though I don't think anyone on here is using the SL right now, good choice BTW, M is much better!)
http://www.jupitersnake.com/review/50-summilux-sl-f1-4-review-first-look/
I think if CA performance is true,(means no correction baked in DNG) it is quite respectful, it is better than 90-APO_m and better than most 50mm prime lens save for a few real APO design.
Distortion is insane IMHO without correction, I don't remember have seen any 50mm lens behave this bad other than some zoom at this focal. I will not judge sharpness at this time and will not even take your word for it since yours is only copy show up so far. From early samples I saw in LUF thread, I know it is great in center and good enough for the lens intend to be used. It is not a big concern for me. but say it is not sharp in corner till f5.6 sounds scary. I am sure it must be better.
Now, Rendering, This is big to me. The out of focus rendering instantly remind me one lens: Zeiss 35mm ZM distagon f1.4. I am not a fan of that lens personally. (There are many people like it for all different reason.Sorry Edward, Gary, Jako and Philip, Opinion, opinion only
) TBH, I feel most modern BEST lenses with good correction fall into this kind of rendering. The few exceptions I have seen so far are: RX1, 85mm GM, Nikon 105f1.4. (of course a few S glass and 50APO and I will add OTUS here as well)For SL, there may not be a better option. But optically, I see this lens will facing strong competition from a few AF lens introduced in past few years. Name a few: sigma Art, Zony 50mm ZA, 55mm Sonnar etc..
I don't see it in the OTUS league, at least not so far but it is a AF.
At least an image
35mm Summaron f3.5
And also we need to remember something. 35mm lenses are a lot harder to get to look "right" then 50mm lenses. I would have cut this lens a bit more slack if it were a 35lux.
Also that Summaron shot you just posted.. I don't know if it's the light or the lens, but it has a really true to life look. Your sons face looks very clean and real almost 3D.
Great shots again!
I'm also going to move my interests towards vintage M/R lenses. And if my upcoming video job works out the way I have planned, I'll introduce more R lenses into the fold (for video work). I have the 50APO and all I really need to do is decide on what vintage M I'll buy for the times when I want something a little more quirky on my M. Anything different then what the 50APO gives me is fine!
If you think the 100S is to clean, get yourself the 120S. I think I should have kept the 120S and sold the 100S. Simply because I feel it's more similar to what I like from the 35S and 70S.
I am reluctant to re-buy a 35 pre-asph as I had a MINT one and I think it lasted less then a month before I sold it. And now, they're twice the price I originally paid and in far worse shape. BUT your images almost have me convinced to pick one up.
EDIT: Maybe I should start using smaller apertures too
Edited on Oct 19, 2016 at 01:19 AM · View previous versions
Oct 19, 2016 at 01:06 AM
p.1369 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rscheffler wrote:
Michael, 35 Lux pre-ASPH is definitely on my want list. Just haven't seen any available at 'reasonable' prices... Everything seems to be ~$1800+.
~4 years ago a Leica store rep was telling me very enthusiastically about the 35 Summaron lenses and how I should try one, but I ignored it because I had the ZM 35/2.8 and figured one slow 35 was enough already... I've recently sold that lens and maybe it's time to revisit the Summarons. I definitely like its smoothness in the photo of your son. There's something about the older lenses that render this way at wider...Show more →
LOMO Minitar 32 2.8 Art lens vs Zeiss Distagon 35mm 1.4
The LOMO sharpens up dramatically as it is stopped down. But as this is an extremely super scientific test I have not shown that as I have just been informed that dinner is ready.
As for physical size of the lens, all you need to know is that the entire LOMO lens is smaller than the lens mount cap of the Zeiss.
And that it is $349 vs $2290 for the Zeiss.
Peace out Komrads.
I took apart a LCA years ago and adapted it on the (then new) Sony NEX-3 for my wife.
Since she uses my X-T2 a lot these days, I'm thinking of taking apart the Sony lens and rebuilding it, or possibly just taking apart one of our spare LCA cameras (again) to make a Fuji version.
I remember she took a bunch of shots in NZ on one trip, and I actually liked her landscape shots more then I liked mine and I brought the D700+14-24 on that trip. I think it was more the retro messed up colors look that I liked. Similar to Desmolicious' pre-LR profile shot.. But worse because the first version I built had more light leaks (before I rebuilt it).
I was initially tempted to buy the Leica one (RF coupled) but decided not to because I have 3-4 LCAs taking up drycab space. And if I really wanted to, I could just make a Leica mount LCA lens and use it with the SL or in LV on the M.
But ahhh the lens is so small.. It would be the perfect complement to the 50APO on trips where I don't want to bring anything but a 50mm. And RF coupled makes it easier (no need for an external EVF)
Also note I've been thinking about this lens: http://www.japancamerahunter.com/shop/ms-optics-apoqualia-g-28mm-f2-ultra-thin/
(though other then the 50mm 1.1 I've not seen anything I like from this guy)
Michael, 35 Lux pre-ASPH is definitely on my want list. Just haven't seen any available at 'reasonable' prices... Everything seems to be ~$1800+.
~4 years ago a Leica store rep was telling me very enthusiastically about the 35 Summaron lenses and how I should try one, but I ignored it because I had the ZM 35/2.8 and figured one slow 35 was enough already... I've recently sold that lens and maybe it's time to revisit the Summarons. I definitely like its smoothness in the photo of your son. There's something about the older lenses that render this way at wider...Show more →
Desmolicious wrote
My extremely super scientific LOMO vs Zeiss test.LOMO Minitar 32 2.8 Art lens vs Zeiss Distagon 35mm 1.4
The LOMO sharpens up dramatically as it is stopped down. But as this is an extremely super scientific test I have not shown that as I have just been informed that dinner is ready.
As for physical size of the lens, all you need to know is that the entire LOMO lens is smaller than the lens mount cap of the Zeiss.
And that it is $349 vs $2290 for the Zeiss.
Peace out Komrads.
I took apart a LCA years ago and adapted it on the (then new) Sony NEX-3 for my wife.
Since she uses my X-T2 a lot these days, I'm thinking of taking apart the Sony lens and rebuilding it, or possibly just taking apart one of our spare LCA cameras (again) to make a Fuji version.
I remember she took a bunch of shots in NZ on one trip, and I actually liked her landscape shots more then I liked mine and I brought the D700+14-24 on that trip. I think it was more the retro messed up colors look that I liked. Similar to Desmolicious' pre-LR profile shot.. But worse because the first version I built had more light leaks (before I rebuilt it).
I was initially tempted to buy the Leica one (RF coupled) but decided not to because I have 3-4 LCAs taking up drycab space. And if I really wanted to, I could just make a Leica mount LCA lens and use it with the SL or in LV on the M.
But ahhh the lens is so small.. It would be the perfect complement to the 50APO on trips where I don't want to bring anything but a 50mm. And RF coupled makes it easier (no need for an external EVF)
Also note I've been thinking about this lens: http://www.japancamerahunter.com/shop/ms-optics-apoqualia-g-28mm-f2-ultra-thin/
(though other then the 50mm 1.1 I've not seen anything I like from this guy)
Oct 19, 2016 at 01:17 AM
p.1369 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Fantastic shots everyone! Love your work guys!
Thank you very much Charlie
Adam, that's a very interesting mini-review. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirms my suspicions unfortunately. Leica M lenses are expensive because they are made in Germany, assembled by hand, miniaturized with the use of exotic glass and aspherics ... etc. Now we have this 50 lux which is made in Japan, with seemingly no efforts to make it small, and apparently quite a few compromises in the lens design to lower its production cost such as distortion correction by software. I think Leica is debunking its own myth about the high cost of manufacturing, and they are just making huge profits.
Thank you very much Charlie
Adam, that's a very interesting mini-review. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirms my suspicions unfortunately. Leica M lenses are expensive because they are made in Germany, assembled by hand, miniaturized with the use of exotic glass and aspherics ... etc. Now we have this 50 lux which is made in Japan, with seemingly no efforts to make it small, and apparently quite a few compromises in the lens design to lower its production cost such as distortion correction by software. I think Leica is debunking its own myth about the high cost of manufacturing, and they are just making huge profits.
Oct 19, 2016 at 01:47 AM
p.1369 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
Fantastic shots everyone! Love your work guys!
Thank you very much Charlie
Adam, that's a very interesting mini-review. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirms my suspicions unfortunately. Leica M lenses are expensive because they are made in Germany, assembled by hand, miniaturized with the use of exotic glass and aspherics ... etc. Now we have this 50 lux which is made in Japan, with seemingly no efforts to make it small, and apparently quite a few compromises in the lens design to lower its production cost such as distortion correction by software. I think Leica is debunking its...Show more →
Yeah, that's my take away from all of this.
Fantastic shots everyone! Love your work guys!
Thank you very much Charlie
Adam, that's a very interesting mini-review. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirms my suspicions unfortunately. Leica M lenses are expensive because they are made in Germany, assembled by hand, miniaturized with the use of exotic glass and aspherics ... etc. Now we have this 50 lux which is made in Japan, with seemingly no efforts to make it small, and apparently quite a few compromises in the lens design to lower its production cost such as distortion correction by software. I think Leica is debunking its...Show more →
Yeah, that's my take away from all of this.
Oct 19, 2016 at 04:36 AM
p.1369 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Red Bow by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
Oct 19, 2016 at 04:52 AM
p.1369 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I just noticed that Chuck has an article posted on the Leica blog with his b&w photos.
Congratulations Chuck an well deserved as well!
Congratulations Chuck an well deserved as well!
Oct 19, 2016 at 05:10 AM
p.1369 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Took some fall color shots last weekend with my M7 and an expired roll of Kodak Porta 160 VC film which I got from a friend of mine. I developed the film myself with the C-41 process. Even the film expired about 10 years ago, the images came out great. I took the shots in parallel with my Sony A7R with the same lenses in digital to compare - after slight PP adjustments, I still found most film photos more pleasing in regard to the color saturation even the resolution and shadow details were of course better in the digital A7R photos (here I only post the digitized Leica film shots).
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Oct 19, 2016 at 05:24 AM
p.1369 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
joakim wrote:
I just noticed that Chuck has an article posted on the Leica blog with his b&w photos.
Congratulations Chuck an well deserved as well!
Yes congrats Chuck and well deserved attention.
I just noticed that Chuck has an article posted on the Leica blog with his b&w photos.
Congratulations Chuck an well deserved as well!
Yes congrats Chuck and well deserved attention.
Oct 19, 2016 at 06:08 AM
p.1369 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
These are from the rooftop of a hotel in Washington DC this morning.
© ocean2059 2016
© ocean2059 2016
© ocean2059 2016
Oct 19, 2016 at 01:40 PM
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p.1369 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Autumn in East Lansing, Michigan;
Leica T with adapted Voigtlander Nokton Classic MC 40mm 1.4
Extremely underrated camera, which can be had for $500 - $600 these days.
Lens is great 80% of the time, frustrating the other 20% (flares too easily)
Leica T with adapted Voigtlander Nokton Classic MC 40mm 1.4
Extremely underrated camera, which can be had for $500 - $600 these days.
Lens is great 80% of the time, frustrating the other 20% (flares too easily)
Oct 19, 2016 at 07:49 PM
p.1369 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Nice work everyone!
Allen - #2 is very well captured!
Allen - #2 is very well captured!
Oct 19, 2016 at 07:56 PM
p.1369 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
M262 50 Planar by edward karaa, on FlickrOct 19, 2016 at 10:28 PM
p.1369 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
adamdewilde wrote:
Also note I've been thinking about this lens: http://www.japancamerahunter.com/shop/ms-optics-apoqualia-g-28mm-f2-ultra-thin/
(though other then the 50mm 1.1 I've not seen anything I like from this guy)
Wow, that's a sweet little thing.
Question which jumps in to my mind: is this more a lens for film, or can the M sensors handle what must be some steep ray angles?
Willow Turning by unoh7, SEM21
Yellow Trip by unoh7, Lens N/A
Also note I've been thinking about this lens: http://www.japancamerahunter.com/shop/ms-optics-apoqualia-g-28mm-f2-ultra-thin/
(though other then the 50mm 1.1 I've not seen anything I like from this guy)
Wow, that's a sweet little thing.
Question which jumps in to my mind: is this more a lens for film, or can the M sensors handle what must be some steep ray angles?
Willow Turning by unoh7, SEM21
Yellow Trip by unoh7, Lens N/A
Oct 20, 2016 at 12:45 AM
p.1369 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
adamdewilde wrote:
Thank you very much Charlie
Adam, that's a very interesting mini-review. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirms my suspicions unfortunately. Leica M lenses are expensive because they are made in Germany, assembled by hand, miniaturized with the use of exotic glass and aspherics ... etc. Now we have this 50 lux which is made in Japan, with seemingly no efforts to make it small, and apparently quite a few compromises in the lens design to lower its production cost such as distortion correction by software. I think Leica is debunking its own myth about the high cost of manufacturing, and they are just making huge profits.Yeah, that's my take away from all of this.
Thank you for the mini-review Adam! Agree with everything said about the Lux-50-SL. It definitely looks modern and somewhat generic. M-Lux has imho more character which I appreciate more these days. And The barrel distortion is bit surprising. On the other hand I am relieved that SL, nor it's lenses, really does not really get to me like the M does. Now if only I could stop thinking about the new Hassy...
edwardkaraa wrote
Fantastic shots everyone! Love your work guys!Thank you very much Charlie
Adam, that's a very interesting mini-review. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirms my suspicions unfortunately. Leica M lenses are expensive because they are made in Germany, assembled by hand, miniaturized with the use of exotic glass and aspherics ... etc. Now we have this 50 lux which is made in Japan, with seemingly no efforts to make it small, and apparently quite a few compromises in the lens design to lower its production cost such as distortion correction by software. I think Leica is debunking its own myth about the high cost of manufacturing, and they are just making huge profits.
Thank you for the mini-review Adam! Agree with everything said about the Lux-50-SL. It definitely looks modern and somewhat generic. M-Lux has imho more character which I appreciate more these days. And The barrel distortion is bit surprising. On the other hand I am relieved that SL, nor it's lenses, really does not really get to me like the M does. Now if only I could stop thinking about the new Hassy...
Oct 20, 2016 at 01:22 AM
p.1369 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Chrome. MM-246 and .95 Noctilux
Oct 20, 2016 at 02:32 PM
p.1369 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Whew! I have a lot of catching up to do on here. Been so busy with work I haven't had a chance to come by and see what you're all up to, or even post anything I'm working on.
My turnaround time has been considerably slower with my film workflow, but I'm definitely enjoying just being out and about with my film Ms.
I've been looking at possibly exploring some older lenses instead of what I've got right now, but before I make any moves I'm just going to spend some time with a couple older Vogitlander LTM lenses (the 28 f/3.5 and 50 f/2.5). Hopefully I'll have some things to share soon!
My turnaround time has been considerably slower with my film workflow, but I'm definitely enjoying just being out and about with my film Ms.
I've been looking at possibly exploring some older lenses instead of what I've got right now, but before I make any moves I'm just going to spend some time with a couple older Vogitlander LTM lenses (the 28 f/3.5 and 50 f/2.5). Hopefully I'll have some things to share soon!
Oct 20, 2016 at 04:48 PM
p.1369 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
One from recent trip to DC.
Thank you.
Hiromu
Thank you.
Hiromu
Oct 20, 2016 at 05:16 PM