Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1334 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
Interesting points, Allen. Thank you for sharing.I find it hard to believe that it has a different sensor and has not been officially announced.
I didn't realize, but don't really have an interest beyond the few bits and pieces that I can't/won't sell.
Anyone doing side by sides?
I'm also not a huge fan of the SL (issues with Leica aside). I find the M-RF style shooting to be my preferred method. Even over AF cameras if I have the choice. Though given the chance, I think the SL could be a good system (it would need quite a few fast primes).
BTW good shots everyone! I've been lurking when I get internet (been traveling around Italy for work/pleasure) so haven't had to much time to chat.I also tried to like the SL as much as possible but failed. I realized that RF is my most preferred way of shooting too. The M262 sensor has definitely different colors and slightly better IQ than the M240. This is my own experience and others' as well. The M262 sensor is not capable of LV and video. It's not software crippled, the hardware is different. It could be the same sensor as the M240 with some customization. It could be different but from the same manufacturer. It could be from a different supplier altogether. No body really knows except...Show more →
Maybe.. I don't think it's a new sensor. They would have made a bigger deal over it. They really didn't say anything that would have me believe it's a new sensor. BUT your theory on removing features makes sense. It could simply be a heat issue that they've been able to solve which causes less banding. Something simple like that.
I know you enough to believe what you say. I just haven't heard of it till now
adamdewilde wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
airfrogusmc wrote
I still pull it back some. Portraits I will pull back on the vibrance about -5 or so and usually about the same on saturation.I didn't realize, but don't really have an interest beyond the few bits and pieces that I can't/won't sell.
Anyone doing side by sides?
I'm also not a huge fan of the SL (issues with Leica aside). I find the M-RF style shooting to be my preferred method. Even over AF cameras if I have the choice. Though given the chance, I think the SL could be a good system (it would need quite a few fast primes).
BTW good shots everyone! I've been lurking when I get internet (been traveling around Italy for work/pleasure) so haven't had to much time to chat.
Maybe.. I don't think it's a new sensor. They would have made a bigger deal over it. They really didn't say anything that would have me believe it's a new sensor. BUT your theory on removing features makes sense. It could simply be a heat issue that they've been able to solve which causes less banding. Something simple like that.
I know you enough to believe what you say. I just haven't heard of it till now
Jun 30, 2016 at 04:21 PM
p.1334 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
myam203 wrote:
I find 75mm is nice for stand-off distance street photo.
It doesn't have the telephoto compression look, and can get you in closer to subjects a little further off
In some ways I prefer to go out with a combo of 28&75 now. This is after I shot 50 for 10+ years, and dabbled with 35 on&off..Thanks Stephen. This was with a Zeiss 35mm f/2 wide open... incredible lens, but apparently a bit large in Leica land. I haven't even shot with anything else yet, because the M9 is my "fun" camera and I can't dump too much into it yet. Do you find your 75 difficult to focus at all?
75 in my opinion is the furthest I would comfortable go in general. And while still being able to shoot moving subjects while I'm moving. For instance a bride and a groom walking (at a regular pace) when I'm walking backwards at a regular pace. I can do this at f/2 with the 75APO, but the second I try with a 90APO (even stopped down a bit) it doesn't work.. Mostly misses. Just to small of an image area and I'm just to far back to get accurate focus while moving. The 50 is obviously easier, and the 35 is easier still, and anything fast and wider starts to actually get harder (though DOF increases).
I prefer the 35/75 combo myself. But would sooner just bring a 50 everywhere (when not working). With the Q in the mix if one wanted to spend the money, it could be used for walk around (Q) and the 75APO on the M for portraits and candids from further away. Since the Q starts to get sketchy the more you digitally zoom in you'd want a 50 or a 75 to partner up with it.
Stephen G wrote
Nice, what focal length did you use?I find 75mm is nice for stand-off distance street photo.
It doesn't have the telephoto compression look, and can get you in closer to subjects a little further off
In some ways I prefer to go out with a combo of 28&75 now. This is after I shot 50 for 10+ years, and dabbled with 35 on&off..
75 in my opinion is the furthest I would comfortable go in general. And while still being able to shoot moving subjects while I'm moving. For instance a bride and a groom walking (at a regular pace) when I'm walking backwards at a regular pace. I can do this at f/2 with the 75APO, but the second I try with a 90APO (even stopped down a bit) it doesn't work.. Mostly misses. Just to small of an image area and I'm just to far back to get accurate focus while moving. The 50 is obviously easier, and the 35 is easier still, and anything fast and wider starts to actually get harder (though DOF increases).
I prefer the 35/75 combo myself. But would sooner just bring a 50 everywhere (when not working). With the Q in the mix if one wanted to spend the money, it could be used for walk around (Q) and the 75APO on the M for portraits and candids from further away. Since the Q starts to get sketchy the more you digitally zoom in you'd want a 50 or a 75 to partner up with it.
Jun 30, 2016 at 04:28 PM
p.1334 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
Interesting points, Allen. Thank you for sharing.I find it hard to believe that it has a different sensor and has not been officially announced.
I didn't realize, but don't really have an interest beyond the few bits and pieces that I can't/won't sell.
Anyone doing side by sides?
I'm also not a huge fan of the SL (issues with Leica aside). I find the M-RF style shooting to be my preferred method. Even over AF cameras if I have the choice. Though given the chance, I think the SL could be a good system (it would need quite a few fast primes).
BTW good shots everyone! I've been lurking when I get internet (been traveling around Italy for work/pleasure) so haven't had to much time to chat.Here's an excerpt from LFI. It's still ambiguous what he meant by technologically different, so we can only guess.
https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7689/27377473333_63416a9cc5_z.jpgimage by edward karaa, on Flickr
I take this to mean that that circuit board the sensor is connected to is different to account for the fact that they've removed features. Which would in some ways affect the sensor. And what you're saying is, it was affected for the better. Which is good for you 262 guys.
adamdewilde wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
airfrogusmc wrote
I still pull it back some. Portraits I will pull back on the vibrance about -5 or so and usually about the same on saturation.I didn't realize, but don't really have an interest beyond the few bits and pieces that I can't/won't sell.
Anyone doing side by sides?
I'm also not a huge fan of the SL (issues with Leica aside). I find the M-RF style shooting to be my preferred method. Even over AF cameras if I have the choice. Though given the chance, I think the SL could be a good system (it would need quite a few fast primes).
BTW good shots everyone! I've been lurking when I get internet (been traveling around Italy for work/pleasure) so haven't had to much time to chat.
https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7689/27377473333_63416a9cc5_z.jpgimage by edward karaa, on Flickr
I take this to mean that that circuit board the sensor is connected to is different to account for the fact that they've removed features. Which would in some ways affect the sensor. And what you're saying is, it was affected for the better. Which is good for you 262 guys.
Jun 30, 2016 at 04:33 PM
p.1334 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
One from vacation.
MM + 35 ASPH
MM + 35 ASPH
Jun 30, 2016 at 09:57 PM
p.1334 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Your Choice by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
Jul 01, 2016 at 12:37 AM
p.1334 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Dish of the day 
ISO 4000, not too shabby
M262 + ZM 85/2 by edward karaa, on Flickr
ISO 4000, not too shabby
M262 + ZM 85/2 by edward karaa, on Flickr Jul 01, 2016 at 07:21 AM
p.1334 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
Looks very clean Edward!
Thank you Gary! I think the noise pattern is very similar to the SL.
Jul 01, 2016 at 11:35 AM
p.1334 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Some late night Monochom at the local train station. (Lens was the CV Ultron 28/2)
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Jul 01, 2016 at 12:56 PM
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p.1334 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I was doing the 28/75 combo with M+75APO and the Ricoh GR
Then I got the Q and haven't really put it down in 2 months, haha
The GR really got my eye trained for 28mm
Then I got the Q and haven't really put it down in 2 months, haha
The GR really got my eye trained for 28mm
Jul 01, 2016 at 07:52 PM
p.1334 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
From this afternoon:
M262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on FlickrM262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on FlickrM262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on FlickrM262 + ZM 50/2 by edward karaa, on FlickrJul 02, 2016 at 02:46 AM
p.1334 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Tried the ZM 25/2.8 today.
M262 + ZM 25/2.8 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M262 + ZM 25/2.8 by edward karaa, on Flickr
M262 + ZM 25/2.8 by edward karaa, on FlickrM262 + ZM 25/2.8 by edward karaa, on FlickrJul 03, 2016 at 08:41 AM
p.1334 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Nice work everyone.
So interesting to see the 262, Edward, shot by you, as the subtle differences are really apparent. The 262 is very clean and understated. I like it
@Myan203 I have two 75s and a bunch of 85s. They are trickier than a 28 or a 50. (or a 35) but they can deliver really wonderful results. As to focus: the DOF is tighter so margin of error is smaller. You get used to it.
If you shoot mainly 35, then 75 is good second lens: but beware the big ones. They shoot nice but are heavy. Summarit is outstanding, small and light for around 750USD maybe more. The CV 75/2.5 is cheap and good, but not in the same league as the summarit or lux or cron.
Flower View by unoh7, 28 cron WO
So interesting to see the 262, Edward, shot by you, as the subtle differences are really apparent. The 262 is very clean and understated. I like it
@Myan203 I have two 75s and a bunch of 85s. They are trickier than a 28 or a 50. (or a 35) but they can deliver really wonderful results. As to focus: the DOF is tighter so margin of error is smaller. You get used to it.
If you shoot mainly 35, then 75 is good second lens: but beware the big ones. They shoot nice but are heavy. Summarit is outstanding, small and light for around 750USD maybe more. The CV 75/2.5 is cheap and good, but not in the same league as the summarit or lux or cron.
Flower View by unoh7, 28 cron WO
Jul 04, 2016 at 12:30 AM
p.1334 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Love the 28 Cron rendering, Charlie!
Edward, congrats on the 262! Didn't realize you were relatively unhappy with the SL as it seemed you were doing well with it. Interesting about the sensor... I guess keep an eye on ISO 3200+ for signs of banding.
I've done a bit of spring cleaning with equipment inventory over the past month. Cleared out a bunch of underutilized lenses, both RF and Canon EF and put that towards a 1DXII... Also acquired a used 28 Lux recently. Nice lens. Sharpest Lux I've used so far (wide open). Not a perfect lens though, as it will purple fringe a fair amount in strong backlight and high contrast transitions. CA is also fairly strong, and LOCA is noticeable, too... Does it have 28 Cron rendering? I don't think so - it's just different. Maybe more consistent with other Luxes.
Here are some from a wedding yesterday.... Many are B&W for ease of processing, my mood and also the backlit ones have pretty strong purple fringing. Sorry in advance for the quantity...
M240 & 28 Lux except third with 50 Lux ASPH.
Edward, congrats on the 262! Didn't realize you were relatively unhappy with the SL as it seemed you were doing well with it. Interesting about the sensor... I guess keep an eye on ISO 3200+ for signs of banding.
I've done a bit of spring cleaning with equipment inventory over the past month. Cleared out a bunch of underutilized lenses, both RF and Canon EF and put that towards a 1DXII...
Also acquired a used 28 Lux recently. Nice lens. Sharpest Lux I've used so far (wide open). Not a perfect lens though, as it will purple fringe a fair amount in strong backlight and high contrast transitions. CA is also fairly strong, and LOCA is noticeable, too... Does it have 28 Cron rendering? I don't think so - it's just different. Maybe more consistent with other Luxes. Here are some from a wedding yesterday.... Many are B&W for ease of processing, my mood and also the backlit ones have pretty strong purple fringing.
Sorry in advance for the quantity... M240 & 28 Lux except third with 50 Lux ASPH.
Jul 04, 2016 at 02:24 AM
p.1334 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thank you Charlie, Ron!
Charlie, I can recognize the M9 colors immediately Wish they made more CCD Ms.
Ron, Love the shots with the 28 lux. Congratulations as well. The drawing style is very nice indeed, and you make excellent use of it in the wedding shots.
I wasn't unhappy with the SL, but it didn't really suit my needs and shooting style. Sometimes you need to try something else to find your way. The banding seems very faint at iso 6400 by the way. And the grain is finer than with the M240. I think there is up to 1 stop difference in performance between these two. It could have easily accomodated an iso 12800 setting.
Charlie, I can recognize the M9 colors immediately
Wish they made more CCD Ms. Ron, Love the shots with the 28 lux. Congratulations as well. The drawing style is very nice indeed, and you make excellent use of it in the wedding shots.
I wasn't unhappy with the SL, but it didn't really suit my needs and shooting style. Sometimes you need to try something else to find your way. The banding seems very faint at iso 6400 by the way. And the grain is finer than with the M240. I think there is up to 1 stop difference in performance between these two. It could have easily accomodated an iso 12800 setting.
Jul 04, 2016 at 04:38 AM
p.1334 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Maritime memorial, Plymouth, England
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Jul 04, 2016 at 08:54 AM
p.1334 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Wow, Ron, wonderful set. They must be happy with those 28 Lux looks superb in your hands.
Yesterday I was hunting the flowers and looking again to compare use of various lenses, MFD and DOF, in the field. I was using ZM18, 28 cron, 50 cron, and the 90 summarit, seen here:
Blue Pillars by unoh7, f/13
Up High by unoh7, 90/2.5 @ f/13
L1050397 by unoh7, F/11
Note in the last shot, at such close range even stopped way down DOF is tight: right edge is too far
28 Lux looks superb in your hands.Yesterday I was hunting the flowers and looking again to compare use of various lenses, MFD and DOF, in the field. I was using ZM18, 28 cron, 50 cron, and the 90 summarit, seen here:
Blue Pillars by unoh7, f/13
Up High by unoh7, 90/2.5 @ f/13
L1050397 by unoh7, F/11
Note in the last shot, at such close range even stopped way down DOF is tight: right edge is too far
Jul 04, 2016 at 11:25 AM