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p.1201 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


How does the Zeiss 1.4 Distagon ZM perform as a landscape lens? I've seen some samples of the lens on the A7 series of cameras, but not on the M (stopped down for landscape).


Sep 01, 2015 at 12:29 PM
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p.1201 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Alpha_Geist wrote:
How does the Zeiss 1.4 Distagon ZM perform as a landscape lens? I've seen some samples of the lens on the A7 series of cameras, but not on the M (stopped down for landscape).


In my experience, this lens is perfect. At f/2.8 it is better than other lenses at f/8. The only fault I can find with this lens on an M body is the size and viewfinder blockage.



Sep 01, 2015 at 12:40 PM
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p.1201 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


A rainy day. M Monochrom and 35 Summilux







Sep 01, 2015 at 03:13 PM
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p.1201 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


From a few days back, trying out the Konica Hexanon 50/1.9 on my M9






















Sep 01, 2015 at 03:50 PM
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p.1201 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I like the last joakim. I don't think I like the way the Konica Hexanon 50/1.9 handles OOF areas though, very jarring, maybe just me?

A few more from around town


The Great Southern


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Sep 01, 2015 at 06:06 PM
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p.1201 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread







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Sep 01, 2015 at 10:37 PM
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p.1201 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


edwardkaraa wrote:
In my experience, this lens is perfect. At f/2.8 it is better than other lenses at f/8. The only fault I can find with this lens on an M body is the size and viewfinder blockage.


Whoa, that sounds great! I was looking at 35mm options as a "do-it-all" lens and the Zeiss Distagon really stood out. The Sony FE image thread has some really great shots that pop when shot wide open. I haven't seen any stopped down landscape shots with it. I guess the allure to shoot wide open with that lens is too great!

I was curious what distortion and other optical gremlins that the A7 shooters were experiencing when mounted on the lens' native M mount. The lens sounds promising though. I just need a bit of recovery after swallowing the Leica pill. Won't be getting a lens any time soon. Maybe it's good that I don't see landscape shots with the lens. It would send my GAS into overdrive!



Sep 01, 2015 at 11:54 PM
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p.1201 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


coogee wrote:
I like the last joakim. I don't think I like the way the Konica Hexanon 50/1.9 handles OOF areas though, very jarring, maybe just me?


That struck me too, more jagged/harsh than smooth.




Sep 02, 2015 at 01:35 AM
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p.1201 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Adam: It could also be that the amazing performance of the ZM35/1.4 achievable on Leica M in landscape shooting situations (where high across frame performance is desired) is not possible due to edge smearing on the a7 cameras, unless they've been Kolari modded. Therefore the lens is possibly more often used in shallow DOF and bokeh situations instead. Quite frankly, I've been very disappointed with the technical aspects of 'landscape' images I've seen made with the ZM on a7 cameras due to the poor edge performance, knowing how well the lens performs on Leica M. Unless the Sony is modded, IMO, the ZM's potential is wasted, though of course also depends on the photographer's intent with the lens on that system.

IMO, from my brief experience with it, and seeing the great images from it in this thread, it's technically the best 35mm M mount lens you can currently buy, if high sharpness/performance is what you want. IMO, the only area where it gives up something is in how it handles background rendering when there is only moderate subject/background separation. In this respect, the RX1's 35/2 Sonnar is still best.

There was recently a post on RFF with a few comparisons between the ZM and the 35 Lux FLE, with the ZM generally offering slightly smoother background rendering. The FLE is often criticized for how it handles backgrounds, though will certainly depend on the situation and your preferences. At least one test I've read measured the FLE as higher resolution in the very center of the frame, but the ZM was better and more consistent across more of the frame. The FLE has what a lot of faster Leica lenses have - wavy field curvature with some mid zone dip. The ZM has a much flatter plane of focus.

I saw your post about your recent Leica M acquisition - congrats! The 28 Cron is one of the few fast wide Leica M lenses that doesn't have a wavy plane of focus. Rather, its field curvature is gradually away from the camera towards the edges of the frame. With some practice, you can get pretty good results placing a subject off center and compensating for the field curvature with some front focus. The 50 Lux ASPH definitely has the mid zone dip and can be problematic at times. I find it quite difficult to work with off center subjects and in the f/2.8-4 range. Instead I tend to use that lens either wide open or stopped down more than f/5.6. I have no experience with the 75 Cron, but it and the 50 Lux ASPH share very similar optical design and apparently also similar character.



Sep 02, 2015 at 01:43 AM
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p.1201 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Adam: It could also be that the amazing performance of the ZM35/1.4 achievable on Leica M in landscape shooting situations (where high across frame performance is desired) is not possible due to edge smearing on the a7 cameras, unless they've been Kolari modded. Therefore the lens is possibly more often used in shallow DOF and bokeh situations instead. Quite frankly, I've been very disappointed with the technical aspects of 'landscape' images I've seen made with the ZM on a7 cameras due to the poor edge performance, knowing how well the lens performs on Leica M. Unless the Sony is modded,
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Wow! Ron, thank you for the breakdown on the ZM and the 28 Cron! I definitely appreciate the time and (above) effort in helping to answer my question. I still have the Sony A7II, but I don't have any intentions of having the sensor modded, if it's ever available for the A7II. From my (basic) understanding, there is a cover glass on the A7 series sensor that is a bit thicker than the cover glass on the Leica sensors; which causes the color shifts and corner smearing that is absent on Leica cameras. Thus, my inquiries into the ZM for flatter plane of focus on the Leica sensors without the IQ gremlins. The ZM looks like it would fit my intended use, sharp across the plane stopped down and a stellar performer wide open too! I may have to rent the lens for a weekend and have at it. I know it's a big bugger compared to some of the other M offerings, but I'm willing to accept that after using DSLRs and compatible lenses for some time.

For the 28 Cron, its field curvature is more "extreme" at the far corners, with less of a dip from center to mid? I haven't had much time to shoot with it, so I haven't seen its field curvature yet. I'm guessing I'll have better luck using LiveView and playing with focus to see what is sharp and what isn't across the frame. Maybe that's how I will experiment with putting subjects off center like you mentioned. Now I'm curious how the corners fair when stopped down also. Haha! I chose the 28 Cron for experimenting with street photography as that style of shooting isn't a comfort zone for me. Time to step outside that zone and live a little methinks.

I hope to start sharing some photos soon. Been pretty busy with usual work and family duties, but a vacation to Colorado next month should surely get some creative juices flowing.

Thank you Ron for delving into the intricacies of the ZM and Cron/Lux lenses! I thoroughly enjoy your photos and Flickr stream. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who is inspired by your work!

Adam



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p.1201 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Joakim as coogee said the hexanon 50's bokeh really stood out for me, but not sure if in the right way. I guess it offers a different take compared to the obliterated backgrounds of a 50 Noct though.

Still trying out each lens from my new-to-me combo (28-50-90). I wish I had more people to do (more posed) portraits of with this 90AA. But as a street lens I'm not digging it so much. Feel a bit too detached from the people and the 80lux was much more pleasing to use in everyday scenarios. I guess it'll be my only tele for a long while, now that the 80 is gone.

Untitled by aFrIcanSH

Untitled by aFrIcanSH

Urban fowl by aFrIcanSH

Drinks for three. I mean three drinks for me by aFrIcanSH

Sunglasses-On by aFrIcanSH





Sep 02, 2015 at 02:54 AM
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p.1201 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


aFrIcanSH wrote:
Joakim as coogee said the hexanon 50's bokeh really stood out for me, but not sure if in the right way. I guess it offers a different take compared to the obliterated backgrounds of a 50 Noct though.

Still trying out each lens from my new-to-me combo (28-50-90). I wish I had more people to do (more posed) portraits of with this 90AA. But as a street lens I'm not digging it so much. Feel a bit too detached from the people and the 80lux was much more pleasing to use in everyday scenarios. I guess it'll be my only
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Are you sure it's three drinks? I see a bucket there too!



Sep 02, 2015 at 02:59 AM
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p.1201 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


@Chas great stuff in the marketplace
@Luka well the ZM18 looks pretty good on the r2 in your shot. Your posts with the resize are really interesting. I would like to see some more distant details the edges with the sony. Some times the FC will appear in very long shots, when you thought it was in hand. But I wonder how the ZM18 compares to the CV15 v3
@Allen nice work
@Ryan excellent, great variety
@pingflood Canon 50/1.4 is excellent on M9. Not sure why, but it is. You much be vary careful of haze, use strong light, and calibration. Perfect one would run 300USD
@Edward wonderful cityscape
@Ron, nice to see some more shots from you
@cogee nice rich BW
@gary great camping shots
@Joakim, love the umbrella and gal in the street.

Took a few rides, monday, tues


Hot Springs at Dawn by unoh7, 90/2.5


Firetrail by unoh7, ZM18


New and old by unoh7, 28cron


Custer Lookout by unoh7, Lens NA


Clinging by unoh7, ZM18


White Deck by unoh7, 28 cron




Sep 02, 2015 at 10:55 AM
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p.1201 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Alpha_Geist wrote:
I haven't seen any stopped down landscape shots with it.


For landscape work, this lens is also superb. I will try to post a few samples for you tonight....



Sep 02, 2015 at 11:00 AM
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p.1201 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Awesome! Thank you Gary


Sep 02, 2015 at 12:32 PM
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p.1201 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Alpha_Geist wrote:
Wow! Ron, thank you for the breakdown on the ZM and the 28 Cron! I definitely appreciate the time and (above) effort in helping to answer my question. I still have the Sony A7II, but I don't have any intentions of having the sensor modded, if it's ever available for the A7II. From my (basic) understanding, there is a cover glass on the A7 series sensor that is a bit thicker than the cover glass on the Leica sensors; which causes the color shifts and corner smearing that is absent on Leica cameras. Thus, my inquiries into the ZM for
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Thanks Charlie!

Sorry in advance for so many words and no photos!

Color shift is more a factor of pixel density/design and how (or whether) microlenses are designed to handle oblique light rays. I don't believe cover glass thickness is a significant factor (but is for smearing). You'll notice that with the a7 series, the lowest resolution camera with the largest pixels, the a7S, has minimal or no color shift with most lenses, while the a7R is the worst. It has also been a problem for Leica including, and up to, the M240. Hence the lens coding, which is to fix color shift and some vignetting. Change in CMOS design with the a7RII's sensor seems to have eliminated color shift for the most part. Not sure how much of a factor microlenses also play. BTW, Kolari is now offering sensor conversion for the a7II.

The 28 Cron is a fine landscape lens and benefits from stopping down to around f/5.6 for the edges, but it probably isn't the absolute best. It also retains a relatively high degree of vignetting as its stopped down, which depending on the application, can be part of its charm. My feeling is its field curvature is a gradual U-shape and doesn't suddenly 'accelerate' towards the edges like some other lenses (50 Lux ASPH is like this at the very extreme edge at very wide apertures). I haven't really seen any sign of mid zone weakness with it. I've read at least one review that trashes it as lackluster in the outer zone when stopped down, so there will be some dissenting opinions about it. But overall I like it a lot. It's small, fast, sharp and has pleasing rendering with good subject isolation at near distances.

aFrIcanSH wrote:
Still trying out each lens from my new-to-me combo (28-50-90). I wish I had more people to do (more posed) portraits of with this 90AA. But as a street lens I'm not digging it so much. Feel a bit too detached from the people and the 80lux was much more pleasing to use in everyday scenarios. I guess it'll be my only tele for a long while, now that the 80 is gone.


I kind of have the same feeling about the 90AA. It's very neutral/transparent and in some ways a bit sterile. It's nowhere near the SA infused character I've seen in wider aperture 75/80 Lux images. I think it's a great technical lens when looking to maximize fine detail resolution, but would probably prefer the ZM85/2 over it for people and general near distance work, if the ZM's purple fringing can be minimized/hidden/avoided.



Sep 02, 2015 at 12:57 PM
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p.1201 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


So many great images on here, as indeed I expect to see.

This shot of mine (#1) keeps popping up in my Flickr stream as one of the most viewed. I am posting it here in light of Christer's (Pingflood) recent enquiries about the Canon 50/1.4 LTM.
#1-3 are all with the 50/1.4LTM, taken on my M8 before I moved on to the M9. (on, not necessarily up, as I'm sure M8 owners might agree).

L9991124_50LTM by DEMcI, on Flickr

#2
L9991138-cactus by DEMcI, on Flickr

#3
L9991093-Can501.4LTMf2 by DEMcI, on Flickr

#4 50/1.4 LTM, on M9 this time
L9991325-1400 by DEMcI, on Flickr

#5 50/1.4 LTM,again on M9 (f5.6, SOOC: RAW -> jpg)
L1006051 Can50-1.4LTM at 5.6 SOOC by DEMcI, on Flickr

#6 A direct comparison from a converted Contax G45/2 on M9, also at f5.6
L1006050 G45-2 at 5.6 SOOC by DEMcI, on Flickr




Sep 02, 2015 at 05:57 PM
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p.1201 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


@ Joakim re Nikkor 5cm.

The 5cm f/1.4 was the first lens of that speed in the world, superseding the much more rare and valuable 50/1.5. Of all the RF glass of the late 40s and early 50s, the Nikkor is the hardest and coatings too. Dante Stella has a great article on the 1.4 and some others.

There are 3 versions of the RF Nikkor 50/1.4 all with major differences. 90% are the first optical formula, and it is pretty interesting in use. Optimized for about 2-4 meters, not great at infinity. WO the bokeh can be the wildest you've ever seen, way beyond the normal sonnar's sometimes boisterous renderings. This lens can sometimes be found in LTM. It is a great, unique close range 50.

Then in about 1963 came the "Olyimpic" A different, very special lens, D-Gauss I think, bigger etc. Finally, in 1999 a new edition of the olympic, with modern glass coatings and revised formula, was produced for the special re-release of the RF body in 2000. It is said this is the sharpest 50 ever made by Nikon, though I think that is a fable. The only review, now I can't find it, had it beating the 50 Lux ASPH.

That never happened in the real world, but now the way to get one is to buy a anniversary kit with lens and RF body from 2000 for 1600USD then sell the body if you don't want it. These later two types were never made for LTM, so you get to M mount with amedeo adapter.


knurls by unoh7, 135/3.4


Over the Salmon by unoh7, 28 cron


Wake up and bark by unoh7, 50cron



Sep 02, 2015 at 07:28 PM
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p.1201 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


That 135 looks pretty sweet Charlie!


Sep 02, 2015 at 10:19 PM
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p.1201 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Here ya go AG - all f/8 on M240. Some random pics to give you some idea of how it performs stopped down.






ZM35 Distagon






ZM35 Distagon






ZM35 Distagon




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