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drofnad wrote:
How would this stand up to a different excuse, where that caddy got reduced
to "really nice bokeh" by some wonderful fast glass: should the photog. be fired,
and ruefully explain, "well, I was just showing ButchM & Justruss my new lens at f/0.8,
and then mistook aperture as f/8.0 when taking the shot ...".

Insisting that photos be "unaltered" (and that has some weasle-ness to it,
given all the effects that can come by-camera alone) so that they give the
honest though tenuous representation of reality is somewhat ironic, no?

-drofnad


Because ... the image of Obama in front of the rig was not an editorial cartoon ... it was a reportage image from Reuters .... there is a difference ...

I'm not aware that any DSLR is capable of removing, adding elements to an image .... adjusting tone, color, sharpness and noise reduction in-camera is a far cry from altering image content for use in journalism.




Jul 23, 2010 at 09:40 AM
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lordarka wrote:
Why not? The Economist routinely prints covers with examples of obvious photo manipulation, or obvious illustrations and cartoons depicting the substance of the cover headline. Few people expect to see "the truth," whatever that may be, on the cover the Economist. Where they might expect it is within the magazine's pages.

Arka C.


Then they should have hired an artist to create a work that would not have been accepted as a "photograph" ... if it is to be n editorial cartoon ... fine, draw a cartoon ... even use the Reuters photo as inspiration ... but don't plant the seed in the minds of the readers that the image was captured as it was displayed ... because it wasn't ... that's mis-representing the facts as they occurred ....



Jul 23, 2010 at 09:46 AM
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butchM wrote:
Then they should have hired an artist to create a work that would not have been accepted as a "photograph" ... if it is to be n editorial cartoon ... fine, draw a cartoon ... even use the Reuters photo as inspiration ... but don't plant the seed in the minds of the readers that the image was captured as it was displayed ... because it wasn't ... that's mis-representing the facts as they occurred ....


But the Economist always uses graphic arts and photomanipulation on its covers; anyone who reads the Economist on a semi-regular basis knows that the Economist takes pretty substantial liberties on its cover art. The Obama example is hardly any different. I contend that anyone expecting photojournalistic "truthiness" on the Economist cover misunderstands what the magazine uses its covers for.

Arka C.



Jul 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM
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I agree with you Arka on the Economist, but they should still tag the image as "photo illustration" in the normal credit space inside the magazine... so that if a reader doesn't know for sure, he can check.


Jul 23, 2010 at 12:29 PM
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lordarka wrote:
Why not? The Economist routinely prints covers with examples of obvious photo manipulation, or obvious illustrations and cartoons depicting the substance of the cover headline. Few people expect to see "the truth," whatever that may be, on the cover the Economist. Where they might expect it is within the magazine's pages.

Arka C.


I think ButchM contends that this particular example was not an obvious photo manipulation compared to many Economist covers. The Economist has had plenty of covers that haven't been photomanipulated (even though the vast majority of them are obvious photoillustrations), so I'm not sure if a reader would see this cover and assume it's been manipulated. Even if someone knew it was probably manipulated given that most covers are, I doubt they'd be able to readily point out the manipulation.



Jul 23, 2010 at 02:07 PM
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Slanted news or propaganda precedes the digital era. Stalin was famous for having people who fell out of favor deleted from pictures in the official history books - people just disappeared from Soviet history. Hearst was equally infamous at distorting the news for profit and Fox and the Murdoch publications carry on with this tradition.

Decry the loss of a free press in this country as there is more than just a few retouched images involved but entire stories that never make their way onto the printed page. A Berkeley professor has a journalism class that as an annual project produces a list of the top stories that were not covered by the corporate press in this country.

Our state department does not even allow into the country people with dissenting views and then we have the embedded/co-opted press in Afghanistan and Iraq. Journalism as a profession is in very sad shape much like the Bill of Rights that has been ignored for the past 10 years by every branch of government.

Photo journalism simply reflects the bigger picture of our society as a whole.



Jul 23, 2010 at 05:00 PM
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elkhornsun wrote:
Slanted news or propaganda precedes the digital era. Stalin was famous for having people who fell out of favor deleted from pictures in the official history books - people just disappeared from Soviet history. Hearst was equally infamous at distorting the news for profit and Fox and the Murdoch publications carry on with this tradition.

Decry the loss of a free press in this country as there is more than just a few retouched images involved but entire stories that never make their way onto the printed page. A Berkeley professor has a journalism class that as an annual project
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While I agree with some of what you're saying, here's another thing that preceded the digital era: Complaining that institutions doing a good job are failing at doing their job.

The objectivity/subjectivity question has more to do with the audience and perception than it has to do with the media outlets.



Jul 23, 2010 at 05:06 PM
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mdude85 wrote:
I think ButchM contends that this particular example was not an obvious photo manipulation compared to many Economist covers.


Exactly ...... On a cover following the one with Obama ... they had an image of the Paris skyline with a drooping Eiffel Tower ... that was an obvious illustration for effect ... very identifiable as such .... the manipulation of the Obama image was not as identifiable and implied conditions and information that was not true to what actually occurred in the original image ....



Jul 23, 2010 at 07:21 PM
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justruss wrote:


The objectivity/subjectivity question has more to do with the audience and perception than it has to do with the media outlets.


Maybe. Maybe not ...

The recent content released from postings on Journolist.com has made it very obvious that at least some of the current generation of journalists can't separate their personal feelings and bias from gathering the facts and willingly wish to manipulate the news to shape stories and headlines as they wish to achieve a specific outcome.

It's one thing to write an editorial that favors a viewpoint on the opinion page ... quite another to manipulate a story to favor a cause on the front page ... our news writers and photographers are not to be agents of promoting "spin" ... they are to be the fact checkers to prevent spin .....

It's like being a sports writer and putting the fix in before the game is played so a specific team will prevail .... that's not their job ... they are to report how the game was played, who played well, who did not and the resulting outcome ... without bias or prejudice .....

If readers/audience are unaware that those presenting the news have a bias ... it's much more difficult to identify fairness, objectivity or subjectivity .....

I love college and NFL football. My favorite teams are Penn State and the Pittsburgh Steelers ... though when I work the sidelines of their games ... you would not know I am a fan ... by my wardrobe, by my behavior ... or my resulting images ... I shoot the game as it happens ... and let the chips fall where they may ... I learned a long time ago, I get paid the same no matter who wins or loses. My job is to chronicle the event, not to shape or distort the event and use my position to further a cause .... I expect other journalists to observe the same standards as they perform their duties ... or look for another line of endeavor ....



Jul 23, 2010 at 07:42 PM
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they had an image of the Paris skyline with a drooping Eiffel Tower ... that was an obvious illustration for effect ... very identifiable as such ....
the manipulation of the Obama image was not as identifiable and implied conditions and information that was not true to what actually occurred in the original image ....


Here I disagree: you're reading a LOT into these images
-- that someone is talking to Obama? Maybe, maybe not; backs of heads don't talk.
The *reality* that the photo has is that he indeed WAS present at that site, not
superimposed as though there when in fact the shot came from, say, a golf course.
While I can feel discomfort at the adjustment to get such a *clean*, focus-on-Obama
image that was published, it certainly isn't warping Trvth the way you make it sound.

And my point above was mainly that the absolute adherence to the never-modify
(within some range of effects) rule is that many other aspects can weigh more
heavily on the image significance, so being squeaky clean on this rather technical
aspect doesn't free oneself of those other effects & their influences -- such as
showing an apparently (we are imputing the emotion, after all) angry countenance
grabbed from perhaps just a couple of many photos taken, selected for effect but
misrepresenting the case in an expected, natural implication.

When photos have been altered in a way that changes the meaning of the image in a drastic, material way (whether through cropping, cloning, or other) I think it needs to be disclosed as an altered photo-- and in some cases simply not done when the disclosure is too hidden as to confuse a large portion of the readership even if disclosure is given.

And I --and apparently those others impugned as "lowering the bar"-- just don't
feel that any of this trio (Obama, OJ, golfer) of altered images has ANY effect on
the meaning of the image; rather --in the case of Obama/golfer-- it helps focus on
a rightful interpretation/appreciation of the shot.

Re OJ, someone will know this, but to the viewer --and in some other case, then?--,
whose to say that the supposed pejorative TIME pic isn't the *real* one, UNaltered,
taken straight from the less-than-photographically stellar jail, and that Newsweek
is the organization who altered this underexposed image to cast OJ in better light?
TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOOKING NUMBER : Newsweek's seems *writ large*, and that
would seem to be the altered case; each portrait is like-sized, but the numbers
differ. Now, given an expected reaction to such a dark image, is the magazine
under some ethical obligation to reduce that impression by improving the photo?

But, lots of slippery-slope worries here.

Could there be a PJ standard of accepted alterations, stating allowances
with some standard-defined indicator to these (PJ-0 = pure ; PJ-1 = <maybe
obscuring a person seated behind speaker w/finger up nose, etc.> ; PJ-2 ... ) ?
Then editorial/publisher judgement would be to choose among such things,
having the standard for definition & broad understanding of whatever level
of photography has been employed; "photo-illustration" is such a big bucket.

Here's an excerpt (unaltered, just cropped :o) of some discussion about ethics
@ www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2007/06/ethics01.html --:
Newton said. "Images affect memory, and behavior, and values. Images affect what you believe about yourself, about others, and about the world out there. Images are powerful, and visual ethics is about the appropriate use of powerful images."
...
Long cited People magazine's recent decision to digitally alter a cover photograph from the Virginia Tech massacre to remove what they believed may have been the genitals of one of the shooting victims, when it fact the item was part of a tourniquet the student applied to stop the gunshot wound's bleeding. The decision to alter the image was made by People's top editors.
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Now, say they don't have another photograph: what to do? Consider how much
strength is attributed to an image, the effect on values ... ; should People do
without, and compromise --thus-- their coverage of the event? -- for if you
accept the premise of value of the image, you must concede the loss if it's
not used, and that that is a Bad Thing for the news-needing public. Was the
presence of a tourniquet so important here? --arguably not, though a detail
that would perhaps help; but not if perceived as what People perceived it to be.
So, could there be an agreed, standard-defined way to get such images IN,
but also with some indication of the impurity (a standard-defined impurity per
level)?
.:. ... thinking that the public loses more with the strict rule Long opined,
than they do with that bit of alteration, which left them simply not with
opportunity to believe a tourniquet (or misbelieve, genitalia) was present.

-drofnad



Jul 23, 2010 at 11:55 PM
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IMHO...a PJ photo isnt to be tampered with at all..yes it has been done in the past and will in the future. its shameful and dishonest..it should be "the photo tells the story" not" manipulate the photo to tell the story"


Jul 24, 2010 at 12:03 AM
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drofnad, the point isn't always that every removal from a photo changes the meaning-- it's that the rule is a blanket one in order to prevent shouting matches and disagreements about what type of removal from an image "changes the meaning."

Generally, in photojournalism, it's: clone out dust or hot pixels, nothing else.

That keeps it consistent, and protects against shifts in attitude at any particular publication (ideally). The problem with your approach is that to one person, a simple change like cloning out Obama's companion at the beach makes Obama look good, while to another person it is meaningless, and to another person it looks like he's foolish.

Now, all of a sudden, one person says the publication is pro-Obama, another says it is neutral, and another says it is anti-Obama. And none of them are going to agree-- and they'll blame the publication for taking a biased approach to the news.

It's much, much more difficult to claim opinionless neutrality (IF that is what a pub does) when you don't clone stuff out of your photos.

It's considered against the "rules" to physically alter the area were you are going to photograph before hand (like putting a stuffed animal in the scene, or moving the skull of a buffalo/cow so it faces the right way in the sun), and it's just as against the rules to make those changes afterward.



Jul 24, 2010 at 07:24 AM
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butchM wrote:
If readers/audience are unaware that those presenting the news have a bias ... it's much more difficult to identify fairness, objectivity or subjectivity .....



Almost all the readers of the Economist, especially regular readers, are aware that those presenting the "news" have a bias.



Jul 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM
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mdude85 wrote:
Almost all the readers of the Economist, especially regular readers, are aware that those presenting the "news" have a bias.


So ... that makes photo manipulation and bias in reporting acceptable and tolerable? Being a consumer of bias is a double edged sword ... it's fine if a publication is presenting a bias you agree with ... but how can you cry foul if an opposing source manipulates the news and presents a bias you disagree with .. you can't hold one source to a standard of the truth and not the other ... if allowed to continue unchecked, there will be no truth presented ... only distorted opinion. Then we all lose.

In essence the Obama photo didn't distort to a great degree, but what if those unfriendly to a politician were to distort or manipulate an image to present a bias that is unfavorable or imply complicity, unethical or dishonest behavior that never occurred? ... where is the line drawn? ... how many degrees of manipulation are acceptable, where should bias end? ... and where does truth begin if it is a no holds barred approach? At what point is credibility of those presenting news is lost? At what point does the media lose it's trust of those they serve? Do we want to see venerable sources of news be equated with publications like The Star or The National Enquirer?

If the bar is continually lowered ..... how low are you willing the bar be set?

Either you expect and demand truth in journalism ... or you are a fan of fiction and the facts of the issues are incidental and inconsequential.



Jul 24, 2010 at 11:39 AM
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drofnad wrote:
And I --and apparently those others impugned as "lowering the bar"-- just don't
feel that any of this trio (Obama, OJ, golfer) of altered images has ANY effect on
the meaning of the image; rather --in the case of Obama/golfer-- it helps focus on
a rightful interpretation/appreciation of the shot.


Well your interpretation of "rightful" can cover a very wide spectrum ... what if the next altered image doesn't create an interpretation that you don't consider "rightful" ... you can't hold one entity to one standard ... and then later change that standard to achieve an end result you find more agreeable. Placing doubt in a reader's mind as to whether they can trust the content of an image is a big deal ... as one person who still serves several news publications ... I don't want my readers to automatically question what I produce as being a true depiction of what actually occurred ... I value the trust I have with those I serve.

Re OJ, someone will know this, but to the viewer --and in some other case, then?--,
whose to say that the supposed pejorative TIME pic isn't the *real* one, UNaltered,
taken straight from the less-than-photographically stellar jail, and that Newsweek
is the organization who altered this underexposed image to cast OJ in better light?
TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOOKING NUMBER : Newsweek's seems *writ large*, and that
would seem to be the altered case; each portrait is like-sized, but the numbers
differ. Now, given an expected reaction to such a dark image, is the magazine
under some ethical obligation to reduce that impression by improving the photo?


This was definitely not the case ... the image of OJ that appeared in Time and Newsweek was distributed by AP and was published in thousands of papers and magazines ... the Time version was the only one "adjusted" for effect ....

Could there be a PJ standard of accepted alterations, stating allowances
with some standard-defined indicator to these (PJ-0 = pure ; PJ-1 = <maybe
obscuring a person seated behind speaker w/finger up nose, etc.> ; PJ-2 ... ) ?
Then editorial/publisher judgement would be to choose among such things,
having the standard for definition & broad understanding of whatever level
of photography has been employed; "photo-illustration" is such a big bucket.


I seriously doubt multiple levels of "acceptable" manipulation would work ... because it would be left to interpretation ... there would be too much variance in what is used and presented ... too confusing for the reader/viewer to keep track of to know what is real ... and what is conjecture ..... thus placing an undesirable level of doubt across the industry as a whole.


Now, say they don't have another photograph: what to do? Consider how much
strength is attributed to an image, the effect on values ... ; should People do
without, and compromise --thus-- their coverage of the event? -- for if you
accept the premise of value of the image, you must concede the loss if it's
not used, and that that is a Bad Thing for the news-needing public. Was the
presence of a tourniquet so important here? --arguably not, though a detail
that would perhaps help; but not if perceived as what People perceived it to be.
So, could there be an agreed, standard-defined way to get
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Well, journalism survived long before there was the technology to easily alter photographs and had to live with hard choices of not having "the" photo to illustrate a story ... I'm not implying that alterations couldn't or didn't occur before the advent of pixel editing software ... but readers believed what they saw in a published photo as evidence of what actually happened .... sure, cloning out a caddy isn't a that big of a deal in a PGA photo, it didn't imply a different outcome for the viewer of the image ... but what about the next PJ who isn't so ethical? Is it worth losing that trust in order to alter an image ... is passing up use on a questionable image really a bad thing for the reader if it maintains their trust?

Either we want our PJ's to be held to a higher standard ... to be believed and trusted to have ethical standards we all can rely on ... or we really have no concerns or expectations for truth in journalism .... otherwise all "news coverage" becomes nothing more than pure fictional entertainment rather than reportage ...



Jul 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM
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IMO (as a journalist) it's a context issue. Journalists edit content all the time -- a two hour interview is condensed down to a 2000 word piece, for example, which involves leaving a huge amount of material out. The key is to stay true to the context of the interview and ensure quotes that are used do not distort what was addressed in the interview (obviously the angle of the questioning is important, too).

To play devil's advocate, why should photojournalism be any different? I see no problem making minor edits, except when the context or crucial facts of the image are changed. The idea that photographs used in journalistic situations are totally sacrosanct is quaint in the digital age and holds image-based journalism to a different standard that purely text-based journalism.

The economist example is borderline IMO. You could argue that removing the second figure from the frame did change the context/facts -- making it look like Obama is alone and in deep thought about the troubling scene when in reality he is probably in deep thought listening to someone else blathering on. However, you could also argue the the edit really did not alter the context in any meaningful way... Obama is on a beach with a rig in the background pondering something. Who cares what it is?

On the "lowering the bar" issue, I believe the bar is simply being shifted. Journalism has always evolved and just because we become used to things being done a certain way it does not make change wrong in some way. Journalists and the public both play a role in how the trends in reporting change over time. The public responds to changes in journalism and the journalists respond to changes in public attitudes and demands. Saying a certain period was "the golden age of journalism" is meaningless IMO and is like saying a certain period was the "golden age of aircraft". The age defines the journalism as technology, travel and public opinion shift, not vice versa.



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Whatever happened to: "Believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear?"

Larry



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butchM wrote:
cloning out a caddy isn't a that big of a deal in a PGA photo, it didn't imply a different outcome for the viewer of the image ... but what about the next PJ who isn't so ethical? Is it worth losing that trust in order to alter an image ... is passing up use on a questionable image really a bad thing for the reader if it maintains their trust?

Either we want our PJ's to be held to a higher standard ... to be believed and trusted to have ethical standards we all can rely on ... or
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This seems like an unfair and hasty generalization. Why should we assume that all photographs have been altered just because one photograph on one cover of one magazine has been altered? I guess it's just a lot easier, and probably a lot more interesting, to leap to the conclusion that no journalism can be trusted than to take the time to determine what is considered to be trusted journalism. The Economist is a trusted source of economic and political commentary, plain and simple. It does not claim to be an unbiased source of reportage. Like all other editorial magazines, it has the right to use photographs selectively to make a commentary.



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mdude85 wrote:
This seems like an unfair and hasty generalization. Why should we assume that all photographs have been altered just because one photograph on one cover of one magazine has been altered? I guess it's just a lot easier, and probably a lot more interesting, to leap to the conclusion that no journalism can be trusted than to take the time to determine what is considered to be trusted journalism. The Economist is a trusted source of economic and political commentary, plain and simple. It does not claim to be an unbiased source of reportage. Like all other editorial magazines, it
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Get your thoughts straight ... my comment you quoted was concerning the removal of a caddy from an image by the original photographer before it was uploaded to Getty for distribution in response to comments from drofnad... it had nothing to do with the venerable and highly respected Economist publication you so highly revere .... I guess it is just easier to assume I was still discussing something else ....



Jul 26, 2010 at 07:04 PM
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butchM wrote:
Get your thoughts straight ... my comment you quoted was concerning the removal of a caddy from an image by the original photographer before it was uploaded to Getty for distribution in response to comments from drofnad... it had nothing to do with the venerable and highly respected Economist publication you so highly revere .... I guess it is just easier to assume I was still discussing something else ....


I'm not sure what you mean. I replied to your comment exactly as you wrote it. It seems like we're just going in circles now. I think I've gotten my point across, so for me this thread has run its course.



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