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Shutterbug2006 wrote:
That has already happened, in my opinion.

100% agree. The 4th estate is already lost in this quest for the ratings / political broo-ha-ha over the past 30 years of 24 hour news coverage. Lost is investigative journalism into things like the Watergate Scandal, lost is sensible news coverage without much bias, lost is our interest in news stories where the public demands snippets of information that comfortably fits into their ideologue positions on hot-button topics.

Television the drug of a nation (by the Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy) is just as relevant although you may want to add Internet the drug of nation.

Which all leads into the OP, where photos are being manipulated for further political gain. Where simple edits and enhancements have lead to outright "doctoring of facts".



Jul 12, 2010 at 04:54 AM
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Craig Gillette wrote:
You have to decide if the "journalist" is acting as a reporter or is dealing in "opinion." If they are pretending to "report" or "document" and they manipulate the view so that it creates a false impression, that's unethical. If the effort is "editorial" in that it's trying to create or motivate opinions, then manipulation is useful. One of the problems facing much of the "news" media these days is that they have failed to keep opinion out of news.


The Economist is a known editorial magazine; it does not purport to merely report the news. The stated goal of the Economist is to create and motivate opinions. This has been its goal for many decades now.

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Jul 12, 2010 at 09:39 AM
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http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/05/on-the-economists-cover-only-a-part-of-the-picture/


Jul 12, 2010 at 09:39 AM
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I think there are some misunderstandings in this thread-- and overall a great discussion.

First, some background: I write and shoot for major publications as a journalist. That's my job.

ButchM, I agree with you that these examples are over the line. But I don't agree that each generation lowers the bar. That's a common thing to say with respect to objective-media arguments, but it is also false starting right back at the beginning. Journalism in America was, in its very first incarnation, a means by which those with an opinion found an audience. Newspapers were the voice-projectors of people, or parties, with an interest in influencing the public (or the part of the public with power).

The objective/investigative golden age was in the 1960s and 1970s, a limited time.

In fact, controversy over objectiveness, specially when it comes to photos, is what has created the "rules" most news organizations follow when it comes to photojournalism today. There weren't rules, and that was the problem. And this far, far preceded the Photoshop era. See: Filo's Kent State photo. Or take a look at Errol Morris' incredible blog at the NYT looking at photographic truth/lies/argument over the past century. Nat Geo ran that infamous Egypt/Pyramid cover, and then it instituted tougher rules. The rules are becoming MORE stringent, not less, when it comes to "news." Photo manipulation has become more common and more complete in non-news applications (see: fashion, adds, covers).

In this particular case, I tend to think the Economist should have made it clear in the credits that the cover was an illustration (for the record, I don't know if they did or not). But, at the same time, it is the Economist. A paper (well, that's what they call themselves) that takes a stance on things, runs covers that are photo illustrations all the time.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that "journalism" and objective are not universally overlapping concepts-- and never were intended to be. There are outlets that strive for the ideal of objectivity, and there are those that explicitly state they are not objective. Both may be doing journalism (the collection, packing, and sharing of information about the world), journalists may work at both. But they are different forms of journalism. And both may be of service to the country (though it's one thing to have an opinion, explicitly stated, and share truthful facts to support one's position, it is another to have an opinion, explicitly stated, and share untruths). Both The Nation, and The National Review contain journalism, and both take mostly opposing explicit political opinions.

Finally, I wouldn't blame the news organizations-- on the whole (there's plenty of blame for specific situations)-- for the shift towards a more subjective form of journalism becoming popularized these days. I would blame the news consumers (if blame is even the right word), who vote with their time, money, and attention. For-profit news organizations chase dollars, and audiences LOVE (from a time, money, and attention standpoint) loud, opinionated, news these days. It sells, and as a bonus, it's cheaper to produce.

Wrapping this up with respect to the OP: It all comes down to disclosure. When photos have been altered in a way that changes the meaning of the image in a drastic, material way (whether through cropping, cloning, or other) I think it needs to be disclosed as an altered photo-- and in some cases simply not done when the disclosure is too hidden as to confuse a large portion of the readership even if disclosure is given. The same should be said of written words: if an opinion is being consciously taken in the piece, it should be clear to the reader either by how the piece is labeled, where it appears (section of publication/or publication itself: It's clear that something in The Nation or The National Review isn't news without an opinion), or as explicitly stated in the article.

There are many forms of journalism, from hyper-partisan to aiming for objectivity. There's room for all of these, and the word journalism/photojournalism doesn't preclude any of these forms. For me, the Economist cover is more closely journalistic satire than journalistic news-- but it's easy to be mistaken for the latter, and therefore should require disclosure to make it clear.



Jul 12, 2010 at 09:55 AM
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justruss wrote:
ButchM, I agree with you that these examples are over the line. But I don't agree that each generation lowers the bar.


I wasn't speaking so much about each generation of "journalists" lowering the bar ... but in the past few years this is quite apparent they, as a group, have done so. What my major concern is many in the general public have lowered the bar on what they accept and expect from their publications, networks and cable news stations of choice offer ...

Sure, we could cite many instances over this country's 234 year history where the "media" didn't play fair and square ... but that should not stop those of us working in the industry from striving to be unbiased and above board .... like I always told my children, and now my grand children ... that just because a certain behavior becomes popular or accepted in a general fashion .... doesn't make that behavior the proper thing to do .... for if you give up your standards and values to become one of the majority because it is the easy way out ... where will you draw the line?

For example ... there was a time when anything I read in the New York Times, I considered the gospel truth ... because you could count on it being so ... now I need to see the facts presented by several other sources to conclude they are not trying to pull the wool over my eyes .... and we never really, truly knew for sure that Walter Cronkite was a true blue liberal until after he retired .... though we now know how he felt about certain issues in detail that he reported on over his career .... I thought he presented the news in an even-handed fashion ... he certainly never revealed if he had a tingling sensation running down his leg on election night coverage ...

I'm open to hearing all opinions on this or any other subject ... but arguments that "well this publication has always done so and they are not really a news outlet" ... don't wash with me ... there is right and wrong .... and we have far too much gray area as it is ... I have always felt ... If you are not part of the solution .... you are part of the problem .... In this instance The Economist is part of the problem ...



Jul 12, 2010 at 01:00 PM
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Well, Butch, I think we agree on the basic points.

That said, I wouldn't take any single news source, no matter how idealistic its publishers and journalists, as gospel truth. I think that's part of the problem.

And while I think individual biases may show through even in the publications that are run with the strongest idealistic push for objectivity-- to which list I would include the The New York Times, which puts out an incredible volume of information, both visual and written for which the publications strives for truthful coverage-- I don't think you can say that the NYT is trying to pull the "wool over your eyes."

There may be (extended) periods of sloppiness, and there may be individual (even big) stories that papers blow for various reasons. But it's just the type of conspiratorial talk, like a publication such as the NYT trying to pull the "wool over your eyes" (which implies the organization actively trying to deceive), that damages the reputation of good news sources (no single which should ever be taken as gospel), and pushes readers to more polarized sources which feign objectivity while pushing something more partisan.



Jul 12, 2010 at 01:17 PM
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justruss wrote:
But it's just the type of conspiratorial talk, like a publication such as the NYT trying to pull the "wool over your eyes" (which implies the organization actively trying to deceive), that damages the reputation of good news sources (no single which should ever be taken as gospel), and pushes readers to more polarized sources which feign objectivity while pushing something more partisan.


This is the ultimate irony.



Jul 12, 2010 at 02:15 PM
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Russ ... even you have to admit there was a time when the NYT could be trusted for it's accuracy and balanced presentation (at least more balanced than today) ... they were once the envy of the world media with more staff reporters and photographers deposited around the globe than any other publication ... ever notice how many more AP bylines you see in the Times lately? ..

While their direct competitors were sensationalizing and twisting words to pump up circulation, the NYT held it's ground and published the facts ... I don't think it's any small indication why their numbers are down so drastically of late ... they can't even sell their product in the "City that Never Sleeps" ... circulation so low (with more dramatic percentages of losses in circulation and revenues than any other major daily paper in the country) they had to borrow $250M from a mexican billionaire to stay afloat and make payroll ..... I don't think it is just a coincidence that their economic downfall occurred simultaneously with their decision to promote certain viewpoints .... proving that playing to the masses doesn't always work like you hoped.

In fact I was talking to the clerk at our local newsstand yesterday ... 10 years ago they would receive 225 copies of the Sunday NYT and sell out before 9 a.m. .... now they get a dozen and regularly have half of those copies left over at the end of the day .... and this a county of less than 34k residents (which Democrat voter registration leads by a margin of nearly 2:1) ... I mean if you can't find 12 information hungry souls to buy a Sunday paper with that many potential customers, what does that tell you? .... I don't think too many folks are getting home delivery or reading the NYT online from this locale ..... the clerk also shared that other papers he sells haven't dropped off that dramatically ....

If you want to see how a publication can "feign objectivity" ... just review the NYT for the 18 months leading up to the 2008 presidential election ... add up the statistics and see where the numbers fall .... I guarantee you the results won't show a balance or objectivity ....



Jul 12, 2010 at 02:41 PM
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NYT's economic downfall occurred simultaneously with the downfall of virtually every other major printed news daily in the country. It's not that people aren't information hungry, it's just that they're not hungry for a printed newspaper.


Jul 12, 2010 at 02:51 PM
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mdude85 wrote:
NYT's economic downfall occurred simultaneously with the downfall of virtually every other major printed news daily in the country. It's not that people aren't information hungry, it's just that they're not hungry for a printed newspaper.


Yep ... you are right ... all printed media is suffering .... I'm very well aware of that as I have been working in the industry for over three decades ... but none of the majors have fallen like NYT ... they lead the league in that category with record margins from a percentage standpoint ...



Jul 12, 2010 at 02:55 PM
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butchM wrote:
Yep ... you are right ... all printed media is suffering .... I'm very well aware of that as I have been working in the industry for over three decades ... but none of the majors have fallen like NYT ... they lead the league in that category with record margins from a percentage standpoint ...


I can't verify the accuracy of this article, however it states that the Audit Bureau of Circulations found that average paid circulation for U.S. newspapers is down 8.7% from last year, with the New York Times' circulation down 8.5%, which would be better-than-average ... hardly close to "none of the majors have fallen like NYT".

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2937310/top_us_newspapers_show_huge_circulation.html?cat=15

In 2009, the Audit Bureau of Circulations found that 3 of the 5 largest newspapers (WSJ, USA Today, NYT, LA Times and Washington Post) lost more circulation than NYT, and also showed that NYT had the 2nd weakest loss of any major New York City paper (WSJ actually gained circulation; all the other New York papers lost more circulation than the Times).

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/27/business/media/27audit.html



Jul 12, 2010 at 03:07 PM
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That said, I wouldn't take any single news source, no matter how idealistic its publishers and journalists, as gospel truth. I think that's part of the problem.

I don't even take the Gospels with all of their conflicting versions of the same story, not to mention all of the retellings and biases and edits performed by translators and rewriters over the centuries as the "gospel truth".



Jul 12, 2010 at 03:28 PM
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E-Vener wrote:
I don't even take the Gospels with all of their conflicting versions of the same story, not to mention all of the retellings and biases and edits performed by translators and rewriters over the centuries as the "gospel truth".


My kind of thinking, exactly.



Jul 12, 2010 at 03:32 PM
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mdude85 ... dig a little deeper ... the past two years of dropping numbers is nothing compared to the previous 8 years or so ... 8.7% of next to nothing they had a decade ago isn't much of a drop ... hence the need for a $250M loan and giving up 17% ownership .... and .... circulation loss is a drop in the bucket when considering the loss of revenue (as in advertising) have dropped exponentially to circulation .... because many national ad rates are based upon circulation numbers ... hence the need and use of ABC's independent not-for-profit services paid for by the publications they audit to keep track of the numbers .....

Advertising is where the profit is made for publications .... cover price and subscription revenues won't even cover printing costs and the actual paper used ... let alone any other overhead costs .... a loss of 7-8% of circulation rate for a paper the size of NYT can equate as much as a 30% or more decrease in revenues ... where an 8% drop for a smaller paper wouldn't effect ad revenues to the same degree .... all the while paper costs are rising at nearly the same rate as revenues are falling because there are fewer loggers and paper mills producing product in the Great White North where most of the paper comes from, due to the lack of demand for newsprint .....

Sure you can prop up your argument with a few clicks on Google if you wish and cherry pick a number here and there to conflict with what I have shared ... just keep in mind ... I've been tracking the demise of print media from the inside for quite some time ... The Gray Lady sure ain't what she used to be for sure .... figuratively or financially.

NYT closing stock price on 7/12/2000 was $41.31 ... at the market closing today 7/12/2010 .... $9.01 ... isn't that a drop of nearly 80% of value?



Jul 12, 2010 at 04:24 PM
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butchM wrote:
mdude85 ... dig a little deeper ... the past two years of dropping numbers is nothing compared to the previous 8 years or so ... 8.7% of next to nothing they had a decade ago isn't much of a drop



Sure, I'll do you one better. How about circulation for the last 20 years? This data shows that the NYT has seen about a 9% drop in circulation from 2000-2009, compared with about a 35% drop for the LA Times and a 25% drop for both the Washington Post and NY Daily News. From 1990 to 2000, the Times' circulation fluctuated, but remained almost steady decade-over-decade.

http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/a-graphic-history-of-newspaper-circulation-over-the-last-two-decades



8.7% of next to nothing they had a decade ago isn't much of a drop ... hence the need for a $250M loan and giving up 17% ownership ....


Carlos Slim, who made the $250M investment, already owned a 6.5-7% of the company, and now owns 17%. So effectively, only about 10% was given up in that particular transaction, not 17%. Its losses over the years have come from advertising declines as well as lost revenues from its subsidiaries such as the Boston Globe, which saw a 23% dip in circulation and which almost folded completely due to arguments over union concessions.


NYT closing stock price on 7/12/2000 was $41.31 ... at the market closing today 7/12/2010 .... $9.01 ... isn't that a drop of nearly 80% of value?


Market value, not value. And in every quarter from 2000-2009, NYT was paying out a positive dividend to shareholders. If you take a look at New York Times Company's balance sheet, you will see it doing quite well in earnings from on-line advertising compared to most other papers. Its digital ad revenues make up over 25% of its total ad revenues and it posted a profit in Q1 2010. I'd say right now, the NYT has done a pretty good job making the foray into digital distribution better than most of its peers have.

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Jul 12, 2010 at 04:42 PM
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Yep ... You're right .... that Q1 2010 profit posting has driven down their stock price by $2 a share since March ... definitely a stockholder confidence builder ..... that has had to bolster their bottom line value quite a bit ....


Jul 12, 2010 at 05:04 PM
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butchM wrote:
Yep ... You're right .... that Q1 2010 profit posting has driven down their stock price by $2 a share since March ... definitely a stockholder confidence builder ..... that has had to bolster their bottom line value quite a bit ....


Despite the recent dip, its stock has risen nearly 50% Y-O-Y, outpacing the Dow by almost 2:1.

I'm wondering what has the NYT done to you that you are so intent on proving its absolute failure despite a lot of measurable evidence to the contrary? Like a lot of newspapers, it has fallen on hard times. Despite your assertion, the data shows us it's fared better than most of its peers.



Jul 12, 2010 at 05:11 PM
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mdude85 wrote:
Why are you intent on destroying the reputation of the NYT?


Hey ... little old me can't possibly do more damage to their reputation than they are doing to themselves .... it just saddens me to think of what they once were to what they have become ... trust me it's going to get a lot worse for them before they can ever think of business getting better if they continue down the path they are on ... and my thoughts on the matter will have no effect on the outcome .... no more than your favorable opinion will .....



Jul 12, 2010 at 05:27 PM
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I suppose that's where we disagree. I don't think things are going to get a lot worse for them. Content distribution is moving off paper and online. They've done a pretty good job in making that transition, I'd say. The next few years will determine whether their efforts of monetize their online content will work. I see this more as a resurgence for the NYT rather than a funeral.


Jul 12, 2010 at 05:33 PM
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No one wants to see a successful transition to electronic distribution than I do .... the medium by which content is delivered is inconsequential .... it is the content itself that matters .. it has to have value to the broadest cross section of potential buyers that is possible ... if you are going to be in the business of journalism ... electronic or print, you need to objective ... objectivity at the NYT since 2000 has declined at the same rate or faster than their stock price ....

If you honestly believe that they will ever achieve +$40 stock price any time soon ... I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn you may be interested in ..... because the loan they received from Slim is all but gone and there are going to be more headaches on the horizon as far as increased costs and overhead .... long before they can make a complete transition to electronic delivery .... faring better than their peers today won't influence the obstacles looming in the next few quarters ...



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