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Craig Gillette wrote:
I'm pretty sure the public isn't going to see "Illustration" and realize it's suggesting that the photograph they get is somehow manipulated beyond the limits of a journalistic code of ethics. A source that makes a practice of incorporating opinion in with reporting is unlikely to "tag" any or all of it's material, whether it's text or pictures. I doubt we will reach the stage where a publication provides a list: "Cover, page 6, page 10, page 12 lower right, page 25. These pictures are "photo illustrations." Of course, then the readers will want to know what difference that
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Many publications-- even those that take editorial positions in the reporting-- use the photo illustration credit. Instead of "Photo by TK" it says "Photo Illustration by TK" in exactly the same place.

So they don't have to list pages and positions. Photos and photo illustrations normally get a credit.



Jul 13, 2010 at 07:57 PM
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Of course, the writers don't get a byline in the Economist!


Jul 13, 2010 at 07:57 PM
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To add to our recent discussion, a new example:

http://pdnedu.blogs.com/pdn_pulse/2010/07/getty-photographer-fired-over-altered-golf-photo.html



Jul 20, 2010 at 08:22 AM
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And the follow-up from the photographer ...

http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/07/marc-feldman-checks-in-about-a.html



Jul 20, 2010 at 09:36 AM
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butchM wrote:
And the follow-up from the photographer ...

http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/07/marc-feldman-checks-in-about-a.html


Interesting response.

I was going to comment that the cloning job was pretty sloppy... which fits with the guy's story.

I think Getty should do a check on a sample of the photographer's past work (he says he's been with them for 26 years), and if it all looks clean and the caddie corroborates the story... reinstate the photographer with a warning.




Jul 20, 2010 at 09:42 AM
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justruss wrote:
I think Getty should do a check on a sample of the photographer's past work (he says he's been with them for 26 years), and if it all looks clean and the caddie corroborates the story... reinstate the photographer with a warning.



If true ... it does sound innocent enough ... however ... the fatal error is all over the net right now and I think Getty would lose quite a bit of credibility if they reinstated the photographer ... there has to be a zero tolerance for this in reportage ... I doubt if most photo editors that are aware of the issue would ever trust any future images submitted by this photographer ..... and would be uneasy trusting Getty as well ....



Jul 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM
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I agree with butchM, having an altered photo up there is terrible for the reputation of Getty even if it was put up there by mistake. It seems like the photographer understands why he was let go.

"Only a moron would have sent both."

Couldn't have said it better myself. There was no reason why he should have been playing around with the photo editing during a shoot. If he wanted to show how cool post-processing was, he could have done something completely ridiculous like clone an eye onto the forehead.

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Jul 20, 2010 at 10:25 AM
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No doubt, it's a moronic mistake. And Getty will pay the price in reputation, at least for a while.


Jul 20, 2010 at 10:27 AM
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Four top newspaper photographers have spoken to our camera club during the past five years. Each said that the policy of their paper (major papers in Louisville, Cincinnati, and Columbus) was simple -- "alter the photo and you're fired!" The integrity of the paper was at stake.

They were talking about news photography, not editorial photography. Each did his best to present a photo to help tell the story of an event or person.

News writers need to follow the same approach. Often, media will carry the story of one or two protesters at a meeting and ignore what the other 5,000 people were saying. Or, an advertisement might appear to be a news story, but the fine print somewhere on the copy points out "this is an advertisement."

I agree with butchM. If photographers (and writers) alter photos and photo to present their bias, the next step is to dis-believe (is that a good word?) all news photos and stories. There's an old proverb, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." It fits in this instance.



Jul 20, 2010 at 10:54 AM
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GCasey wrote:
I agree with butchM. If photographers (and writers) alter photos and photo to present their bias, the next step is to dis-believe (is that a good word?) all news photos and stories. There's an old proverb, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." It fits in this instance.


As has been discussed earlier in this thread .... it does seem as though John Q. Public does not have a solid grasp on what is opinion ... and what is actual news coverage .... the lines between the two are even more vague due to the fact that some reporters, editors and publishers not only condone, but seem to encourage a discernible bias in news coverage so the publication can promote some events of their choosing and denounce others as they see fit ... such is not the job of "the media" .... in the words of Sgt. Joe Friday, "Just the facts, M'am." ... is all that is needed for reportage .... if those facts include a caddy in the background ... so be it ....



Jul 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM
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Actually much of the public does know the difference between opinion and news coverage. That's why there is a marked distrust of the "news" media. What the public wants is to separate opinion and manipulation - editorial opinion, out of "news." Placing a manipulated image in a "news" context is problematic. Calling it an "illustration" doesn't reduce the problem because most people don't make that sort of distinction. It's a kind of geeky "explanation" that really doesn't correct the real problem.

It's like explaining that the phone now shows the right number of bars.



Jul 20, 2010 at 11:50 AM
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Craig Gillette wrote:
Actually much of the public does know the difference between opinion and news coverage. That's why there is a marked distrust of the "news" media. What the public wants is to separate opinion and manipulation - editorial opinion, out of "news." Placing a manipulated image in a "news" context is problematic. Calling it an "illustration" doesn't reduce the problem because most people don't make that sort of distinction. It's a kind of geeky "explanation" that really doesn't correct the real problem.

It's like explaining that the phone now shows the right number of bars.


Sorry Craig ... can't agree ... when so many folks quote blog content as a statement of fact ... and what is worse when the media often quotes those same blogs ... also as statements of fact ... there is not a clear delineation of editorial opinion and news in the public arena these days ... I do agree there is still a good portion of folks that know the difference ... it's the growing segment of those willing to cherry pick the opinions they agree with and hold those opinions up as factual evidence to support their cause that have me concerned ...



Jul 20, 2010 at 11:58 AM
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. . . . it's the growing segment of those willing to cherry pick the opinions they agree with and hold those opinions up as factual evidence to support their cause that have me concerned ...


Could not agree more!



Jul 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM
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I think Getty should do a check on a sample of the photographer's past work (he says he's been with them for 26 years)

As long as we are getting all fact checky, that isn't what he said. He said:

"I've been doing this for 26 years," he said. "Sometimes you make a mistake and it's fatal. I made a fatal mistake."

I'm pretty sure Getty hasn't been in existence 26 years, and in fact according to http://company.gettyimages.com/ they were founded in 1995. Some of the agencies they have swallowed certainly have been business far longer than that however.



Jul 21, 2010 at 08:35 AM
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butchM wrote:
... and what is worse when the media often quotes those same blogs ... also as statements of fact ...


Could you provide an example of this?



Jul 21, 2010 at 09:15 AM
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E-Vener wrote:
I'm pretty sure Getty hasn't been in existence 26 years, and in fact according to http://company.gettyimages.com/ they were founded in 1995. Some of the agencies they have swallowed certainly have been business far longer than that however.


Well ... it is possible Feldman could have been with Getty Communications or Photo Disk prior to their merger in 1997 .... to form Getty Images ... I believe there were also other entities absorbed along the way that predate Getty Images ...



Jul 21, 2010 at 09:18 AM
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E-Vener wrote:
As long as we are getting all fact checky, that isn't what he said. He said:

I'm pretty sure Getty hasn't been in existence 26 years, and in fact according to http://company.gettyimages.com/ they were founded in 1995. Some of the agencies they have swallowed certainly have been business far longer than that however.


As a nitpicker myself, I can totally appreciate the fact check. On point.



Jul 21, 2010 at 10:57 AM
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How would this stand up to a different excuse, where that caddy got reduced
to "really nice bokeh" by some wonderful fast glass: should the photog. be fired,
and ruefully explain, "well, I was just showing ButchM & Justruss my new lens at f/0.8,
and then mistook aperture as f/8.0 when taking the shot ...".

Insisting that photos be "unaltered" (and that has some weasle-ness to it,
given all the effects that can come by-camera alone) so that they give the
honest though tenuous representation of reality is somewhat ironic, no?

-drofnad



Jul 23, 2010 at 12:49 AM
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butchM wrote:
Sorry ... I couldn't disagree more with this point of view .... there is a place for editorial opinion and even "photo illustration" in journalism ... that place is not on the front cover. Regardless of the name on the masthead of a particular publication or source of the imagery ....


Why not? The Economist routinely prints covers with examples of obvious photo manipulation, or obvious illustrations and cartoons depicting the substance of the cover headline. Few people expect to see "the truth," whatever that may be, on the cover the Economist. Where they might expect it is within the magazine's pages.

Arka C.



Jul 23, 2010 at 04:35 AM
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drofnad wrote:
How would this stand up to a different excuse, where that caddy got reduced
to "really nice bokeh" by some wonderful fast glass: should the photog. be fired,
and ruefully explain, "well, I was just showing ButchM & Justruss my new lens at f/0.8,
and then mistook aperture as f/8.0 when taking the shot ...".

Insisting that photos be "unaltered" (and that has some weasle-ness to it,
given all the effects that can come by-camera alone) so that they give the
honest though tenuous representation of reality is somewhat ironic, no?

-drofnad


Are you saying that you think this isn't much difference from blowing out the background with fast glass?

If so, I disagree. Mostly.

The reason fast glass isn't considered "altering" the photo is that if one is going to use a camera for documentary purposes, one must realize that the closest you can get to "reality" is a flat version of a three dimensional scene, a crop from the larger scene, from a single perspective, with all the optical qualities of glass and capturing substrate (noise, dof, blurring effects, etc).

To say that these things preclude a photo from being documentary-- would preclude the use of photography in general for documentary purposes. But, when we see a photo-- as obvious as this may sound-- we KNOW that it is a photo, and limited in its documentary capacity by the very facts of the medium.

Removing the caddy is a different level of "unreality"-- the reader cannot know, unless he is told, that parts of the image have been removed after the fact. He is no longer looking at an image made within known limits (those aspects of photography), but an image that no camera could have even shot... and then looking not at a vanilla photo, but at an illustration made from photographic parts.

The reason I said "mostly" is that some combination of TINY dof, massive lens induced blur, AND misleading headline/caption could also deceive the readership into thinking one thing is going on when in fact another thing was going on. This could also be achieved by cropping, adjusting exposure, etc.... all things that are kosher when done to adjust the scene to accurately portray the reality of when the photography took the image. But all not considered kosher when done to change the meaning/reality of what the image portrays.

So your two examples-- the caddy removal in photoshop, and the blurring via lens-- are very different categories. One is always "wrong" to do in journalism, the other is unavoidable in photography, mostly isn't an issue because in general photo editors would be firing photographers who didn't stop down to provide context in their images, and because blurring is one of the truths in photography (as is cropping... considering a 50mm lens approaches human "perspective" but not FOV, and when we use our eyes we get blurring too) it is considered "part of the medium."



Jul 23, 2010 at 07:40 AM
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