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rtester wrote:
80 lux @ 1.4
and bottom 50 cron @2.0
Yes, lux-80 has a low contrast on wide open, moderate sharpness, noticeable CA in the strong contrasting light, but instead gives a magical watercolor bokeh
I apologize for the bad quality, I still do not have a good scanner and scanning directly into the machine to print photos
80 lux @ 1.4
and bottom 50 cron @2.0
Yes, lux-80 has a low contrast on wide open, moderate sharpness, noticeable CA in the strong contrasting light, but instead gives a magical watercolor bokeh
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I apologize for the bad quality, I still do not have a good scanner and scanning directly into the machine to print photos
Apr 07, 2012 at 01:24 AM
p.80 #2Leica R Series Lenses
Samuli, may you, please, post some more images taken with 80-200 f/4? Given the price tag, it seems to be a very sweet deal. Thanks in advance.
Apr 07, 2012 at 02:38 AM
p.80 #3Leica R Series Lenses
Technician wrote:
Samuli, may you, please, post some more images taken with 80-200 f/4? Given the price tag, it seems to be a very sweet deal. Thanks in advance.
Sure, don't have much online, I'll try to see this evening if I can post process some new images. if you look beginning of this thread you will find some. Here is on of them reprocessed:
"Hammerfest 1" - Leica Vario-Elmar-R 80-200mm f/4 @ f/4, 1/400s, ISO 100 (larger)
Samuli, may you, please, post some more images taken with 80-200 f/4? Given the price tag, it seems to be a very sweet deal. Thanks in advance.
Sure, don't have much online, I'll try to see this evening if I can post process some new images. if you look beginning of this thread you will find some. Here is on of them reprocessed:
"Hammerfest 1" - Leica Vario-Elmar-R 80-200mm f/4 @ f/4, 1/400s, ISO 100 (larger)
Apr 07, 2012 at 03:54 AM
p.80 #5Leica R Series Lenses
Samuli Vahonen, phuang3, thanks alot!
Makes me wonder what to get first: MP 100 or this one (though, I rarely use anything longer than 135 mm).
Makes me wonder what to get first: MP 100 or this one (though, I rarely use anything longer than 135 mm).
Apr 07, 2012 at 05:11 AM
p.80 #6Leica R Series Lenses
Technician,
If you shoot macro , I'd suggest the MP100. Otherwise, a zoom is much better for travel.
If you shoot macro , I'd suggest the MP100. Otherwise, a zoom is much better for travel.
Apr 07, 2012 at 06:59 AM
p.80 #7Leica R Series Lenses
I shoot macro and do not travel, just need quality lens for portraiture. MP 100 is a good answer on all those questions, but when I saw prices and few samples from Vario-Elmar, I got excited. It's a very nice lens.
Apr 07, 2012 at 07:31 AM
p.80 #8Leica R Series Lenses
well, this zoom is no match for MP 100 in terms of sharpness, unless you prefer Leica rendition.
Apr 07, 2012 at 06:23 PM
p.80 #9Leica R Series Lenses
Thanks for input, phuang3, I have some time for thinking and choosing. Appreciate your opinion!
Apr 08, 2012 at 12:55 AM
p.80 #10Leica R Series Lenses
for lenses with rom can u just remove the rom?
Apr 08, 2012 at 02:03 AM
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p.80 #11Leica R Series Lenses
crazeazn wrote:
for lenses with rom can u just remove the rom?
Yes you can and you have to if you are using Leitax mounts.
for lenses with rom can u just remove the rom?
Yes you can and you have to if you are using Leitax mounts.
Apr 08, 2012 at 02:27 AM
p.80 #12Leica R Series Lenses
phuang3 wrote:
well, this zoom is no match for MP 100 in terms of sharpness, unless you prefer Leica rendition.
I would disagree, both lenses exceed what 5DmkII sensor can render. Also I don't see how these compared; with Zeiss 100MP I'm mostly shooting aperture f/2.8 and f/4, while the zoom starts from f/4. Due to diffraction if optimal performance is wanted f/8 starts already eat the contrast of smallest details, so if you want pixel peep 100MP is much better choice. However in practical applications using the zoom in short end and both in f/5.6 and f/8 there aren't that much differences in sharpness, naturally other drawing style differences can be perceived. And drawing style of the lens between 80-120mm is very much to my liking (I prefer Zeiss type of drawing style instead of typical Leica drawing style).
Leica's performance varies based on focal length, it's very strong at 80mm, even stronger at 135mm, but isn't as brilliant at 200mm. Also vignetting gets rather annoying in 200mm (otherwise image is very usable wide open @ 200mm what comes to sharpness etc.). This is the reason why I don't use much this lens; I have lower end covered with Zeiss 100MP and 85P.
There is one very weird optical defect (at least in my copy of the lens); in cold conditions (cannot be repeated summer, spring or fall, only in winter) there is magenta hotspot. This won't affect at all if you don't shoot at winter, so don't worry about this if you don't plan to shoot at winter... In 2009 I made page about the issue: http://www.vahonen.com/photo/articles/LeicaVarioElmar80200f4/scene2/
(I repeated this at 2010 on normal 5000K white balance conditions, so it has nothing to do with testing day's lightning, it's about the coldness)
What comes to usability, there are few things to consider: rather short throw of focus ring in large distances (and very small resistance turning the focus ring) - it takes me sometimes half a minute to get the exact focus I want, I really hate this feature of the lens (might be better on portrait shooting distace, focus throw is longer there, I don't shoot much portrait distance shots with 80-200 zoom) - also makes it 100% tripod lens. Due to how sensitive the focusing is the lens, when carried on camera, tends to get to minimum focus distance after walking 100m, so not zoom creep but focus creep Good think on usability is that there is space for lens tripod mount, I think mine is modified Canon tripod mount ring - however when used the space between tripod ring and camera is VERY narrow and adjusting aperture is fairly difficult. Also the inbuilt hood is nice (but like most telezooms it's not effective in tele-end as it should be). Build quality is very good like in all Leica's. Also now shooting few years mainly with native EF mount Zeiss lenses, I find it annoying to use adapted lens; no EXIF and adapted lenses never seem to be in camera as sturdy as the native mount lenses.
I tried to find examples, but it seems that haven't shoot much, what I already haven't shown in this thread (or most probably on Alternative image thread since this thread was created on 2010 and I took most shots I have with the lens in 2009). Also check the archived tele lens threads in 2009 and 2010 archives. (maybe google with parameters like "site:fredmiranda.com vahonen 80-200 leica", will get you there is few minutes... this I think is the original discussion topic, it's rather easy to find this stuff)
Here is again one re-post, with new processing - Leica Vario-Elmar-R 1:4 80-200mm @ 80mm, f/4, 0.5s (larger):
well, this zoom is no match for MP 100 in terms of sharpness, unless you prefer Leica rendition.
I would disagree, both lenses exceed what 5DmkII sensor can render. Also I don't see how these compared; with Zeiss 100MP I'm mostly shooting aperture f/2.8 and f/4, while the zoom starts from f/4. Due to diffraction if optimal performance is wanted f/8 starts already eat the contrast of smallest details, so if you want pixel peep 100MP is much better choice. However in practical applications using the zoom in short end and both in f/5.6 and f/8 there aren't that much differences in sharpness, naturally other drawing style differences can be perceived. And drawing style of the lens between 80-120mm is very much to my liking (I prefer Zeiss type of drawing style instead of typical Leica drawing style).
Leica's performance varies based on focal length, it's very strong at 80mm, even stronger at 135mm, but isn't as brilliant at 200mm. Also vignetting gets rather annoying in 200mm (otherwise image is very usable wide open @ 200mm what comes to sharpness etc.). This is the reason why I don't use much this lens; I have lower end covered with Zeiss 100MP and 85P.
There is one very weird optical defect (at least in my copy of the lens); in cold conditions (cannot be repeated summer, spring or fall, only in winter) there is magenta hotspot. This won't affect at all if you don't shoot at winter, so don't worry about this if you don't plan to shoot at winter... In 2009 I made page about the issue: http://www.vahonen.com/photo/articles/LeicaVarioElmar80200f4/scene2/
(I repeated this at 2010 on normal 5000K white balance conditions, so it has nothing to do with testing day's lightning, it's about the coldness)
What comes to usability, there are few things to consider: rather short throw of focus ring in large distances (and very small resistance turning the focus ring) - it takes me sometimes half a minute to get the exact focus I want, I really hate this feature of the lens (might be better on portrait shooting distace, focus throw is longer there, I don't shoot much portrait distance shots with 80-200 zoom) - also makes it 100% tripod lens. Due to how sensitive the focusing is the lens, when carried on camera, tends to get to minimum focus distance after walking 100m, so not zoom creep but focus creep
Good think on usability is that there is space for lens tripod mount, I think mine is modified Canon tripod mount ring - however when used the space between tripod ring and camera is VERY narrow and adjusting aperture is fairly difficult. Also the inbuilt hood is nice (but like most telezooms it's not effective in tele-end as it should be). Build quality is very good like in all Leica's. Also now shooting few years mainly with native EF mount Zeiss lenses, I find it annoying to use adapted lens; no EXIF and adapted lenses never seem to be in camera as sturdy as the native mount lenses.I tried to find examples, but it seems that haven't shoot much, what I already haven't shown in this thread (or most probably on Alternative image thread since this thread was created on 2010 and I took most shots I have with the lens in 2009). Also check the archived tele lens threads in 2009 and 2010 archives. (maybe google with parameters like "site:fredmiranda.com vahonen 80-200 leica", will get you there is few minutes... this I think is the original discussion topic, it's rather easy to find this stuff)
Here is again one re-post, with new processing - Leica Vario-Elmar-R 1:4 80-200mm @ 80mm, f/4, 0.5s (larger):
Apr 08, 2012 at 02:30 AM
p.80 #13Leica R Series Lenses
Wow, Samuli, what a load of useful info! Thanks alot! There are no many Vario-Elmar reviews on the web. Yours input is very helpful.
Apr 08, 2012 at 02:43 AM
p.80 #14Leica R Series Lenses
Technician wrote:
Wow, Samuli, what a load of useful info! Thanks alot! There are no many Vario-Elmar reviews on the web. Yours input is very helpful.
Please take into account my limited knowledge of portraits, I'm nature photographer (nature doesn't mean birds, I hate birds and don't shoot them, maybe with shotgun, but not with camera...). [your question was, which one to choose for portraits]
Wow, Samuli, what a load of useful info! Thanks alot! There are no many Vario-Elmar reviews on the web. Yours input is very helpful.
Please take into account my limited knowledge of portraits, I'm nature photographer (nature doesn't mean birds, I hate birds and don't shoot them, maybe with shotgun, but not with camera...). [your question was, which one to choose for portraits]
Apr 08, 2012 at 03:40 AM
p.80 #16Leica R Series Lenses
cheers,can't think why i haven't posted this one before
Apr 08, 2012 at 08:51 AM
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few samples from Lux-R50E60...
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Apr 08, 2012 at 09:17 AM
p.80 #20Leica R Series Lenses
280mm f/4 APO:
This bird's bill is showing some remnants of the bribe that brought it within camera range.
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This bird's bill is showing some remnants of the bribe that brought it within camera range.
Apr 08, 2012 at 11:46 AM