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p.4 #1Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Zombi,
i can see what you are talking about in the first shot.I think though under such harsh lighting most lenses would do the same.
Here are a few taken with the 80mm 1.9 on my 5D
@1.9 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4508463299_366e301874_b.jpg
@1.9 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2716/4509102734_93750920b1_b.jpg
@1.9 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4508469403_b61d8996ee_b.jpg
i can see what you are talking about in the first shot.I think though under such harsh lighting most lenses would do the same.
Here are a few taken with the 80mm 1.9 on my 5D
@1.9 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4508463299_366e301874_b.jpg
@1.9 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2716/4509102734_93750920b1_b.jpg
@1.9 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4508469403_b61d8996ee_b.jpg
Apr 10, 2010 at 04:17 PM
p.4 #2Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Zombii,
Maybe so about the C vs N also add to the mix hood vs non hood.jcowell might be able to add some additional details to the mix.I have got to say that i am very impressed with my copy of the lens.Outstanding color and great bokeh when you know the lens strengths and weaknesses
Here is another shot with harsh back lighting taken @1.9 hood on.
-Jim
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2342/4509405652_a7501f817f_b.jpg
Maybe so about the C vs N also add to the mix hood vs non hood.jcowell might be able to add some additional details to the mix.I have got to say that i am very impressed with my copy of the lens.Outstanding color and great bokeh when you know the lens strengths and weaknesses
Here is another shot with harsh back lighting taken @1.9 hood on.
-Jim
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2342/4509405652_a7501f817f_b.jpg
Apr 10, 2010 at 06:12 PM
p.4 #3Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Very nice. Only a touch of CA around the upper right rim of the glass. I'm going to try a C version. Based on your posts, I don't see much if any difference contrast wise.
Apr 10, 2010 at 06:15 PM
p.4 #4Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
And your point about the hood is well taken. I don't have one so may have to see what I can come up with.
Apr 10, 2010 at 06:16 PM
p.4 #5Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Wow, these pictures are...wow. Jim, I believe you got a good copy!
For some reason, no matter how much I shoot my 85L, even after acquiring a mark II, I am still put off by it just a bit. The sharpness on this lens is stunning. I like what I see. I'm going to have to follow this and look into this a little more.
What kind of focal length is this for you guys on full frame cameras, a 55mm or so?
With that said, has anyone snatched a 28mm mamiya to use as a wide angle and had success?
Edited on Apr 10, 2010 at 06:39 PM · View previous versions
For some reason, no matter how much I shoot my 85L, even after acquiring a mark II, I am still put off by it just a bit. The sharpness on this lens is stunning. I like what I see. I'm going to have to follow this and look into this a little more.
What kind of focal length is this for you guys on full frame cameras, a 55mm or so?
With that said, has anyone snatched a 28mm mamiya to use as a wide angle and had success?
Edited on Apr 10, 2010 at 06:39 PM · View previous versions
Apr 10, 2010 at 06:22 PM
p.4 #6Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Zombii,
KEH has a few copies for sale right now, not sure if they are C or not.
shaunmlavery thanks for your comments.I am nothing but pleased with this lens,quickly becoming one of my favorites.And its not really that big or heavy IMO
Mamiya glass in general i think does VERY WELL on the 5D sensor!
-Jim
Here is another shot taken @1.9 with hood at MFD, IMO there is nothing wrong with the bokeh on this lens.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/4508819717_1b2a915a08_b.jpg
KEH has a few copies for sale right now, not sure if they are C or not.
shaunmlavery thanks for your comments.I am nothing but pleased with this lens,quickly becoming one of my favorites.And its not really that big or heavy IMO
Mamiya glass in general i think does VERY WELL on the 5D sensor!
-Jim
Here is another shot taken @1.9 with hood at MFD, IMO there is nothing wrong with the bokeh on this lens.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/4508819717_1b2a915a08_b.jpg
Apr 10, 2010 at 06:31 PM
p.4 #7Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Yeah, I saw those Jim. Ffordes has one too. Probably will jump on one of them.
shaunmlavery, the N version is surprisingly light. there is a fair amount of plastic in the construction. The C versions appear to be more metal. Jim, what's your take on that?
Jim, this shot is very nice. I think the one I posted of the flower buds in this page is near MFD and I think it was f/2.8. No problem with sharpness obviously. As for bokeh, it's not the best I've ever seen but with that kind of sharpness, I can live with it.
shaunmlavery, the N version is surprisingly light. there is a fair amount of plastic in the construction. The C versions appear to be more metal. Jim, what's your take on that?
Jim, this shot is very nice. I think the one I posted of the flower buds in this page is near MFD and I think it was f/2.8. No problem with sharpness obviously. As for bokeh, it's not the best I've ever seen but with that kind of sharpness, I can live with it.
Apr 10, 2010 at 06:57 PM
p.4 #8Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Jim Schemel wrote:
Maybe so about the C vs N also add to the mix hood vs non hood.
Why are these related?
Happy shooting.
Yakim.
Maybe so about the C vs N also add to the mix hood vs non hood.
Why are these related?
Happy shooting.
Yakim.
Apr 11, 2010 at 03:34 AM
p.4 #9Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
The older C versions of the 80/1.9 (and all M645 glass of that vintage) are all metal. The more modern N versions (different coatings, bit higher contrast, MAYBE a bit more flare resistant - haven't really seen it myself) make more heavy uses of plastics and are thus lighter. Some lenses have an S version which have the C unit construction but N coatings.
Given my choice between any two and all other things being equal, I tend to prefer the C from purely from a handling and contrast perspective. Other than coatings and construction, the lenses are identical. Some more 'modern' lenses like the 120/4 and 150A are/were only made in N.
Mamiya sells a rubber hood for the 80/1.9 (and most of their glass) - which can be readily found for (Starbucks) coffee money at any used dealer. Works wonderfully and folds down nice and compact for travel. Like any 'long' fast glass, that fat front element needs some shading.
On the CA/Purple Fringing front - I've never had it be an issue (or seen it anywhere near as bad as what was shown above), but it can vary a lot based on everything from camera used to subject to any one of 101 others. So, there is no surprise in some seeing it where others don't.
That said, I've owned MUCH (did I say MUCH) more spendy non-APO glass (brand withheld to avoid the inevitable hissy-fits) that would have given the same results (or much worse) as the wide-open car image above on EoS FF.
Shaun - Using medium format glass on 35mm, there is no 'reverse crop factor'. If it says 85mm on the barrel, it's 85mm focal length and resulting field of view (FOV) on your FF Canon/Nikon or Sony. However, when used on a M645 body, that FOV IS 'reverse cropped' to roughly 50mm.
Lenses are labeled as to their focal length, NOT their resulting field of view (which is sensor/film-size dependent).
That's why you (at least used to) see 35 film bodies packaged with 50mm lenses as a 'standard' lens and medium format cameras packaged (and still today) with 80mm lenses -- they both gave the same 'normal' field of view on their respective formats. I won't go into the theory/details - it's been debated/argued/foot-stomped over in any number of threads in the Alt section - if you're REALLY bored and want to dig into the matter.
Edited on Apr 12, 2010 at 04:51 AM · View previous versions
Given my choice between any two and all other things being equal, I tend to prefer the C from purely from a handling and contrast perspective. Other than coatings and construction, the lenses are identical. Some more 'modern' lenses like the 120/4 and 150A are/were only made in N.
Mamiya sells a rubber hood for the 80/1.9 (and most of their glass) - which can be readily found for (Starbucks) coffee money at any used dealer. Works wonderfully and folds down nice and compact for travel. Like any 'long' fast glass, that fat front element needs some shading.
On the CA/Purple Fringing front - I've never had it be an issue (or seen it anywhere near as bad as what was shown above), but it can vary a lot based on everything from camera used to subject to any one of 101 others. So, there is no surprise in some seeing it where others don't.
That said, I've owned MUCH (did I say MUCH) more spendy non-APO glass (brand withheld to avoid the inevitable hissy-fits) that would have given the same results (or much worse) as the wide-open car image above on EoS FF.
Shaun - Using medium format glass on 35mm, there is no 'reverse crop factor'. If it says 85mm on the barrel, it's 85mm focal length and resulting field of view (FOV) on your FF Canon/Nikon or Sony. However, when used on a M645 body, that FOV IS 'reverse cropped' to roughly 50mm.
Lenses are labeled as to their focal length, NOT their resulting field of view (which is sensor/film-size dependent).
That's why you (at least used to) see 35 film bodies packaged with 50mm lenses as a 'standard' lens and medium format cameras packaged (and still today) with 80mm lenses -- they both gave the same 'normal' field of view on their respective formats. I won't go into the theory/details - it's been debated/argued/foot-stomped over in any number of threads in the Alt section - if you're REALLY bored and want to dig into the matter.
Edited on Apr 12, 2010 at 04:51 AM · View previous versions
Apr 11, 2010 at 06:05 AM
p.4 #10Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Good info conner999. I'm glad to see an opinion about the C vs N versions. I found a C version of the 80/1.9. When I get it, I'll compare them and see which one I want to keep.
Apr 11, 2010 at 09:14 PM
p.4 #11Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Conner999 wrote:
The older C versions of the 80/1.9 (and all M645 glass of that vintage) are all metal. The more modern N versions (different coatings, bit higher contrast, MAYBE a bit more flare resistant - haven't really seen it myself) make more heavy uses of plastics and are thus lighter. Some lenses have an S version which have the C unit construction but N coatings.
Good to know. Now I have two reasons to get the N.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
The older C versions of the 80/1.9 (and all M645 glass of that vintage) are all metal. The more modern N versions (different coatings, bit higher contrast, MAYBE a bit more flare resistant - haven't really seen it myself) make more heavy uses of plastics and are thus lighter. Some lenses have an S version which have the C unit construction but N coatings.
Good to know. Now I have two reasons to get the N.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Apr 12, 2010 at 02:43 AM
p.4 #12Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
No worries. It's nice with the older lenses to have 2 (C/N) or in some cases 3 (S) options to suit your preferred 'drawing' style without worrying about changes in optical formula.
Apr 12, 2010 at 04:50 AM
p.4 #13Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
So nice of Mamiya to create all these options for us. 
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Apr 12, 2010 at 04:56 AM
p.4 #14Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
dang you Jim. I'm gonna have to try this lens out myself 
Apr 12, 2010 at 08:54 AM
p.4 #15Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Here is a quick grab with my mamiya 80mm f1.9 @1.9 and MFD.This is a bit more of a challenge with background, seems the bokeh is what many seem to frown about with this lens, so here is a shot where you can further determine whether you love it or hate it.
-Jim
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4519219556_7928c902b1_b.jpg
-Jim
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4519219556_7928c902b1_b.jpg
Apr 13, 2010 at 04:09 PM
p.4 #16Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Managed to get out for a little bit earlier today...wasn't in the best light, but out is out The first pic was shot at f/1.9 and I like the way the background takes on a creamy look (almost similar to the Rokkor 58 maybe). The exposure was "off" a bit in the wide open shot. For comparison, the second was shot at f/5.6. A 12mm extension tube was used in each.
80/1.9 at f/1.9:
http://www.northlakephotography.com/Flowers/Dallas-Arboretum/DA1415web/836981785_e7jiX-XL.jpg
80/1.9 at f/5.6:
http://www.northlakephotography.com/Flowers/Dallas-Arboretum/DA1412web/836982161_zgFS6-XL.jpg
The first pic was shot at f/1.9 and I like the way the background takes on a creamy look (almost similar to the Rokkor 58 maybe). The exposure was "off" a bit in the wide open shot. For comparison, the second was shot at f/5.6. A 12mm extension tube was used in each.80/1.9 at f/1.9:
http://www.northlakephotography.com/Flowers/Dallas-Arboretum/DA1415web/836981785_e7jiX-XL.jpg
80/1.9 at f/5.6:
http://www.northlakephotography.com/Flowers/Dallas-Arboretum/DA1412web/836982161_zgFS6-XL.jpg
Apr 14, 2010 at 04:31 PM
p.4 #17Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Mike these look very good.I will have to look into getting me some extension tubes.I think the Mamiya 80 on a Canon sensor does very well.
-Jim
-Jim
Apr 14, 2010 at 04:43 PM
p.4 #18Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Zombii,
You make a very interesting point.I have never owned a Leica lens but i have seen a lot of pics taken with them, as well as heard other peoples comments about their drawing style etc.And i always thought to since i have been using the Mamiya Lenses that they are similar to Leica.IMO they have the clarity and color of Leica but lack the 3D punch of Zeiss as Leica does also.
-Jim
You make a very interesting point.I have never owned a Leica lens but i have seen a lot of pics taken with them, as well as heard other peoples comments about their drawing style etc.And i always thought to since i have been using the Mamiya Lenses that they are similar to Leica.IMO they have the clarity and color of Leica but lack the 3D punch of Zeiss as Leica does also.
-Jim
Apr 15, 2010 at 05:54 AM
p.4 #19Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
Zombi,
congratulations! looks good.Gotta say though if you have f1.9 you gotta shoot @1.9
-jim
congratulations! looks good.Gotta say though if you have f1.9 you gotta shoot @1.9
-jim
May 01, 2010 at 05:30 AM
p.4 #20Mamiya 80f1.9 Samples/Opinions on FF Sensor
finally got this lens delivered (shipped from UK). seems like a sweet lens so far. ill be taking it to my cousins graduation tomorrow and use it for some ppl pictures
May 01, 2010 at 02:33 PM