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p.1 #1 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


I'm thinking about picking up a Mamiya M645 45mm lens to go with my 80 f4 Macro & 150 2.8A.

What considerations ... optics, IQ, filter sizes, etc. ... are there in the different versions (N vs. C vs. S) of this lens?

Thanks,

Kent



Feb 13, 2010 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #2 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


Hi Kent. I had the Mamiya-Sekor C 45/2.8 N, and it was a very nice lens. I've read comments that it's not as good as the C 35/3.5N and C 55/2.8N, but I would dispute that, they're all good lenses. I sold the 45, because the 35 and 55 provide the coverage that I need. Here's some links I use when I want info on the Mamiya M645 lineup:

mamiya 645 "C" lenses vs. "N" lenses http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/000XKb
Jafa Photography: http://www.jafaphotography.com/medium_format_lenses.html
John Lind: http://johnlind.tripod.com/mamiya/mamiyatext.html
Mamiya: http://www.mamiya.com/
Mamiya UK: http://www.mamiya.co.uk/
B&H list: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/FrameWork/charts/comp_mamiyamed_2.html
Mirex Mamiya Tilt-Shift adapter http://mirex-adapter.de/tilt_shift_adapter.htm

Cheers, Jim

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Feb 13, 2010 at 02:16 PM
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p.1 #3 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


The 45's very simple. Avoid the 77mm filter version, get the 67mm version in your choice of low-contrast (S) or moderate contrast (N) coatings. The S version is sometimes mistakenly identified as a C lens as it is cosmetically identical.




Feb 13, 2010 at 02:19 PM
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p.1 #4 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


The C 45/2.8N has a 67mm filter thread. I agree with Adam's comment about contrast and C vs. N versions.


Feb 13, 2010 at 02:21 PM
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p.1 #5 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


Excellent Info ... that's exactly what I needed. I'll be going for the 67mm (which is the same as my other two lenses btw) and probably go for the N.

Does anyone know how the N versions contrast will compare with the 80mm f4 Macro & the 150 2.8A lenses that I already have?

Thanks,

Kent



Feb 13, 2010 at 03:00 PM
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p.1 #6 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


I also have the A 150/2.8 and C 80/4N Macro. The 45N will have similar contrast to the 80/4N, and more than the 80/4 non-N. The A 150/2.8 has slightly more or stronger contrast than my A 120/4 Macro, and so it's probably between the wider C and N lenses. I'm just in the process of hooking up the 80/4N to a 5D (in my portable studio) for some 'auction' photos. I generally use the 80/4N and 24-70/2.8L for this stuff.


Feb 13, 2010 at 03:06 PM
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p.1 #7 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


A lenses use the same coatings as N lenses (as they are a subset of N lenses, just like S lenses are a subset of C lenses) so they should broadly resemble N lenses in terms of contrast. There is of course always variance between individual designs.


Feb 13, 2010 at 03:09 PM
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p.1 #8 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


OIC ... so if I like the 150 2.8A contrast level (which I do) then I should like the N version of the 45mm (vs. the S or C).

I'm not sure which 80mm I have (I'm guessing not the N from my pics), but either way is okay, since the N would be consistent with my other glass, while the S/C might be a little better suited for portraits.

UPDATE: My 80mm f4 Macro is a C

Now that I know that, it should play nice with my (egads !!) EF 100 2.0 or my 80-200 f4 C/Y, both of which have higher contrast from which to choose. I have also have a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS in the arsenal (which I may let go to a good FMer home) and an Oly 135 3.5 sitting between the 80mm & 150mm Mamiya's.



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Feb 13, 2010 at 04:57 PM
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p.1 #9 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


Unless you are using the Mirex T/S adapter, I do not see a reason to get the 45mm, but that is just me.


Feb 13, 2010 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #10 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


gasrocks wrote:
Unless you are using the Mirex T/S adapter, I do not see a reason to get the 45mm, but that is just me.


I've thought about that ... both ways, and I'm a bit uncertain about whether I'll go with the Mirex just yet (would like to, but ??) ... maybe getting the 45mm would nudge me into the Mirex ??

Other than that, it would basically be my version of an M645 trinity.

I currently have my C/Y 35-70 3.4 filling in at that FL. I'm thinking about using the 45mm and replacing the 35-70 with the 28mm 2.8 Distagon. Won't know for sure until I get a chance to shoot the 45 & the 28 and see how they perform for my tastes, but that's at least the current thinking.

While I have multiples of various FL's with different mfr's ... that would make my lineup something like:

Projected Bag ...(Additional Lenses Already Owned)
Oly 21 3.5 ........(Nikon 20 2.8)
.......................(Oly 24 2.8)
Zeiss 28 2.8 ......(Oly 28 3.5, Nikon 28 2.8)
M645 45 2.8 ......(Zeiss 50 1.7, Nikon 50 2.0, Oly 50 1.8, Zeiss 35-70 3.4)
M645 80 4 Macro
EF 100 2.0 ........(Nikon 105 2.5 AIS)
.......................(Oly 135 3.5)
M645 150 2.8A
Vivitar 120-600 5.6-8



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Feb 13, 2010 at 05:26 PM
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p.1 #11 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


Do not get me wrong, I am also discovering and liking the Mamiya 645 line. Just that there are so many 50mm lenses out there in general.


Feb 13, 2010 at 05:30 PM
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p.1 #12 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??


I agree with Gene (gasrocks). The wide and normal C and N Mamiya 645 lenses are best value for use with the Mirex T-S adapter. For straight-up 35mm or FF DSLR format, the Leica Summicron 35/2, Contax Carl Zeiss Distagon 35/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 40/2, and many fast 50mm lenses are all better that the M645 35/3.5N, 45/2.8N and 55/2.8N. The Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70/3.4 is a dynamite lens stopped down (personal experience), but I prefer the faster primes.

OTOH, the A 120/4 Macro, A 200/2.8 APO and A 300/2.8 APO are fantastic straight-up. I rarely (if ever) use them on the Mirex.



Feb 13, 2010 at 06:58 PM
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p.1 #13 · M645 45mm ... Which one ??



are all better that the M645 35/3.5N, 45/2.8N and 55/2.8N


'nuff said ... will venture down a different path ... THANKS ALL !!



Feb 13, 2010 at 07:24 PM





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