ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
p.599 #1ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Thanks for comments Claes, Jim, Samuli, Edward, Lieutenant Z & akul
A lot of new good stuff in the last pages, Some of my favorites are:
Lieutenant Z, great series from Italy, sharp and colorful with beautiful landscape
frezeiss, very nice shots in the djungle
Jim, many nice with the bridge
JochenB, the surfer and beach is great
Ulff, great B&W
Samuli, nice green shots
Gary, very nice from Angkor Wat
Edward, the painting is really nice and colorful
Rodluvan, really like the car ahot and the shot with vignetting
akul, very nice with the 21
Claes, like the to shots with the boats and the houses by the water
A lot of new good stuff in the last pages, Some of my favorites are:
Lieutenant Z, great series from Italy, sharp and colorful with beautiful landscape
frezeiss, very nice shots in the djungle
Jim, many nice with the bridge
JochenB, the surfer and beach is great
Ulff, great B&W
Samuli, nice green shots
Gary, very nice from Angkor Wat
Edward, the painting is really nice and colorful
Rodluvan, really like the car ahot and the shot with vignetting
akul, very nice with the 21
Claes, like the to shots with the boats and the houses by the water
Apr 21, 2012 at 08:53 AM
p.599 #3ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
frezeiss, nice tree set.
Lieutenant Z, very good photos from Italy
Luka, very nice framing and composition. I specially like the two "opposing" lamps.
Jochenb, that is a very good b&w beach/landscape photo.
Lars, two very good street photos
Lieutenant Z, very good photos from Italy
Luka, very nice framing and composition. I specially like the two "opposing" lamps.
Jochenb, that is a very good b&w beach/landscape photo.
Lars, two very good street photos
Apr 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM
p.599 #4ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Jim, I forgot to comment on your second bridge photo which I like a lot. Great colors.
Apr 21, 2012 at 11:00 AM
p.599 #5ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Joakim, looks like we've posted nearly on the same time 
Love the tonalities in your b&w, 1# is my pick.
Love the tonalities in your b&w, 1# is my pick.
Apr 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM
p.599 #6ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Lars,
nice market shots.
-Jim
A little something different with the 50P
f13
nice market shots.
-Jim
A little something different with the 50P
f13
Apr 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM
p.599 #7ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Jim, building shot has great drama! Excellent conversion too.
Jim
Jim
Apr 21, 2012 at 01:21 PM
p.599 #8ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Dalmas, Jim, Frezeiss, Joakim, Lars, Lieutenant Z, nice shots everyone!
Apr 21, 2012 at 02:22 PM
p.599 #9ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
My turn
ZE 1.4/35 Distagon
Stacks of magazines from the good old days by reza_arya, on Flickr
ZE 1.4 50P wide open
Hear No Evil by reza_arya, on Flickr
ZE 100MP
Sakura by reza_arya, on Flickr
ZE 1.4/35 Distagon
Stacks of magazines from the good old days by reza_arya, on Flickr
ZE 1.4 50P wide open
Hear No Evil by reza_arya, on Flickr
ZE 100MP
Sakura by reza_arya, on Flickr
Apr 21, 2012 at 02:26 PM
p.599 #10ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Dalmas wrote:
Thanks Lars
Lieutenant Z: Great shots from Assisi
Lars: very nice street pics
frezeiss: nice glow in your last shot
Jim: impressive shot of the building and very nice in b&w
Canon 5DMk2 at ISO 1600 with 50/1.4 ZE at f/2.8
Ah, you found our lost train. Please send it back.
Thanks Lars
Lieutenant Z: Great shots from Assisi
Lars: very nice street pics
frezeiss: nice glow in your last shot
Jim: impressive shot of the building and very nice in b&w
Canon 5DMk2 at ISO 1600 with 50/1.4 ZE at f/2.8
Ah, you found our lost train. Please send it back.
Apr 21, 2012 at 02:37 PM
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p.599 #11ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Thanks Reza
Carsten: I think I'll keep it
Reza: I like the flowers and the 50/1.4 can give som very interesting effects wide open. Like in your second shot.
Carsten: I think I'll keep it
Reza: I like the flowers and the 50/1.4 can give som very interesting effects wide open. Like in your second shot.
Apr 21, 2012 at 02:59 PM
p.599 #12ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Bob, nice set #3 is my fave.
Reza - great color and contrast in the book shot
-Jim
Reza - great color and contrast in the book shot
-Jim
Apr 21, 2012 at 04:07 PM
p.599 #13ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
I agree with Jochen all Planar shots are excellent. I really like that we see much more planar shots than before. I really like my CY 50P as well. One day, I might pick up 85.
Lieutenant, Dalmas,Lars, Joakim, freziess - Thank you very much for your comments.
Jochen- Gorgeous shot with excellent capture of the surfer which makes this shot very special IMHO.
Lieutenant - I am drooling over your Umbria shots. I really like them all, but first and last had strong draw into the picture. First one with the maginficient view of Assisi and the green. Last one with the composition.
Lars - Brilliant set with 1.4/35. I like the way how in bothe picture, the food venders got a subtle 'special' light casting on their face. First one with natural light, second one with the incandescent lamp. Great exposure work.
Joakim - Love that little piggy shot. 'Looking for the good stuff' is a perfect title. B/W works really well on that shot. I also like the 'pre season' with the POV and use of OOF.
frezeiss - Very nice light and color.
Jim - This may become one of my most favorite photo of the Empire State Building I have seen. The V composition is really effective.
Dalmass - Nice train. You should keep it !
reza - Wow, I would love to get that manga. Is that a real old one or something recently published ? Gorgeous shot of Somei Yohino !
Bob - I was beginning to wonder where you were, as I was at the Harriman Park today. Beautiful shots of waterfalls. I like the #1 and #3. I like the composition of second one but somehow the pattern of the streaking bubble on the middle right got me distracted
Not from Harriman. Just from Pier 15.
ZF.2 2/35 @ f2
@f5.6
@f2.8
Lieutenant, Dalmas,Lars, Joakim, freziess - Thank you very much for your comments.
Jochen- Gorgeous shot with excellent capture of the surfer which makes this shot very special IMHO.
Lieutenant - I am drooling over your Umbria shots. I really like them all, but first and last had strong draw into the picture. First one with the maginficient view of Assisi and the green. Last one with the composition.
Lars - Brilliant set with 1.4/35. I like the way how in bothe picture, the food venders got a subtle 'special' light casting on their face. First one with natural light, second one with the incandescent lamp. Great exposure work.
Joakim - Love that little piggy shot. 'Looking for the good stuff' is a perfect title. B/W works really well on that shot. I also like the 'pre season' with the POV and use of OOF.
frezeiss - Very nice light and color.
Jim - This may become one of my most favorite photo of the Empire State Building I have seen. The V composition is really effective.
Dalmass - Nice train. You should keep it !
reza - Wow, I would love to get that manga. Is that a real old one or something recently published ? Gorgeous shot of Somei Yohino !
Bob - I was beginning to wonder where you were, as I was at the Harriman Park today. Beautiful shots of waterfalls. I like the #1 and #3. I like the composition of second one but somehow the pattern of the streaking bubble on the middle right got me distracted
Not from Harriman. Just from Pier 15.
ZF.2 2/35 @ f2
@f5.6
@f2.8
Apr 21, 2012 at 04:25 PM
p.599 #14ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Akul,
thanks for the compliment
Have you ever seen this taxi while walking the streets of NYC?
-jim
50P
50P f2.5
thanks for the compliment
Have you ever seen this taxi while walking the streets of NYC?
-jim
50P
50P f2.5
Apr 21, 2012 at 05:05 PM
p.599 #15ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Bob - Nice. Especially the second one.
Jim - Wow, no, I have never seen a cab like that. I am pretty sure, now I saw it, I will probably run into it in the next week or so. Great PP on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Jim - Wow, no, I have never seen a cab like that. I am pretty sure, now I saw it, I will probably run into it in the next week or so. Great PP on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Apr 21, 2012 at 08:25 PM
p.599 #16ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
@carsten: thank you! yes, 50P wide open in close up range can give a kind of dreamy effect.
@bob: great shots! i like the 3rd pic from the 1st set and 1st pic from the 2nd set the best.
@akul: the manga "showa manga shi" was published in 1977, in showa era. about the sakura, i'm surprised that you know about somei-yoshino. is it also famous outside japan? btw, nice set! i like especially the 1st and 3rd pics.
@jim: nice shots! is that a cab? looks like a classic one.
@bob: great shots! i like the 3rd pic from the 1st set and 1st pic from the 2nd set the best.
@akul: the manga "showa manga shi" was published in 1977, in showa era. about the sakura, i'm surprised that you know about somei-yoshino. is it also famous outside japan? btw, nice set! i like especially the 1st and 3rd pics.
@jim: nice shots! is that a cab? looks like a classic one.
Apr 21, 2012 at 09:19 PM
p.599 #17ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
My first (of many) photos with my first Zeiss lens // Canon 1DsmkIII, Zeiss 21 ZE @ 21mm f2.8, 1/160s ISO-400
Apr 22, 2012 at 01:45 AM
p.599 #18ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
carstenw wrote:
Every time you post Zeiss 85 shots, Samuli, I think that this should be my next lens.
Thanks - since you have 100MP I don't think it makes much sense to get 85P. I almost never carry both of them with me at same time. The main differences from my point of view (and in order I find them causing 85P to have it's characteristics):
- 85P lower contrast in bokeh (black are not as black and colors due to that less saturate) [this is the optical character, what makes the biggest difference to me]
- 85P has less CA errors in bokeh areas very close to the plane into which user focused, or they are less visible (I have many 100MP photos ruined by having magenta cast behind subject and green cast in front of subject, mostly this is only issue on urban environment, I can't remember having ANY nature photos ruines by this, but fabrics, concrete/asphalt etc. can pick up this rather ugly)
- 85P @ f/2.8 is "as good as it get" for from bokeh point of view, while 100MP still struggles even at f/3.2 and sometimes even f/3.5 (if you shoot my stuff, e.g. mid distance forest shots the corners are constant issue - if I would shoot urban stuff this would be so easy to hide that this never would be any problem)
- 85P doesn't have practically any vignetting @ f/2.8, while 100MP vignettes more even at f/4 (concerns only mid and far distances, close-ups and macros don't vignette)
- from f/2.8 to f/8 there are no practical differences in details in the plane I have focused, at f/2 100MP beats 85P clearly, and diffraction eats less 100MP detail in f/11 (both suck as bad @ f/16) [the practical for me is A2 size prints, pixel peepers for sure find differences, but that is their problem, I could not care less pixel peeping, if I would like to get larger than A2 I anyway would shoot panorama]
- 85P focus shift, if mitigated doesn't cause any image quality issues
Jim, lots of good bridge shots, hard to name favorite since I liked both the f/9 shot as well as f/1.6.
alpenglowing, liked the shot with black bars and containers and some other stuff on background. The 2nd shot would have benefitted of using f/2.5-3.2 aperture (would have made the bokeh less nervous, unless that was what you tried to do)
Picture This!, your shot of woman and man in beach, I would assume you still used your old sharpening method on this (halo between the horizon "cliffs" and sky [making them look like they are photoshopped to photo] + lack of textures what should have been visible in 1280px wide image)? +1 to Edwards pop out comment
Jaan, 1,4/35 has crazy good bokeh @ f/1.6, there still seems to be some nervousness in bokeh, but if it's this small @ f/1.6, it should be gone @ f/2 or f/2.2. I really try not to get 1,4/35 but it's harder and harder to resists...
Dalmas, liked your mid aperture shots with 50P, even light was very boring on the cityscape in bokeh shots. The train shot, due to it's large distance, might have worked better at f/2 or even wider open for me (most probably for print & full screen viewing f/2.8 has enough separation)
joakim, liked 2nd of the black and white images, great work preserving people shape and volume (not turning them to cardboard people) even using black & white
reza187, "Stacks of magazines from the good old days" really good example of 1,4/35 bokeh again
Bob, great looking park with waterfalls you have there, liked most the 3rd from first set and best was the 2nd from second set
akul, liked your 3rd shot, the f/2.8 usage caused nice "contrast separation" between the chairs and background cityscape
kaycephoto, liked the 21mm shot, don't know exactly why but the "models" having just black and white and colors on background has something to do with it
I tried to repeat "guess which is 100MP and 85P" experiment (from page 515). Since last time the guessing was so difficult I decided to shoot this one on conditions, which are worst for 85P and should make guessing easier; minimum focus distance and using wide aperture (f/2.8).
However I didn't this time manage to do it well, last time I had to use EXIF to find out which is which, but now the differences are so obvious that I didn't even bother hiding them (=EXIF is there). Identifying is super easy this time, not for reason I assumed; 85P sucks close up, but because of other factors:
- white balance: colder WB = 100MP (last time the brown subject didn't make it so obvious)
- CA on both sides of focus plane: 100MP shows this much better, specially visible on 2nd scene (but both suffer from it)
Setup for photos; one flash from high and left of camera with VERY narrow snoot, tripod and subject on wooden floor and I tried to match field of views by using extra long (200mm) arca-swiss lens plate as focusing rail. First on both sets is 100MP and second 85P.
Scene 1 - Genelec 6010A (larger 100MP, 85P)
Scene 2 - RØDE Microphones (larger 100MP and 85P
Samuli
EDIT: link fix
Every time you post Zeiss 85 shots, Samuli, I think that this should be my next lens.
Thanks - since you have 100MP I don't think it makes much sense to get 85P. I almost never carry both of them with me at same time. The main differences from my point of view (and in order I find them causing 85P to have it's characteristics):- 85P lower contrast in bokeh (black are not as black and colors due to that less saturate) [this is the optical character, what makes the biggest difference to me]
- 85P has less CA errors in bokeh areas very close to the plane into which user focused, or they are less visible (I have many 100MP photos ruined by having magenta cast behind subject and green cast in front of subject, mostly this is only issue on urban environment, I can't remember having ANY nature photos ruines by this, but fabrics, concrete/asphalt etc. can pick up this rather ugly)
- 85P @ f/2.8 is "as good as it get" for from bokeh point of view, while 100MP still struggles even at f/3.2 and sometimes even f/3.5 (if you shoot my stuff, e.g. mid distance forest shots the corners are constant issue - if I would shoot urban stuff this would be so easy to hide that this never would be any problem)
- 85P doesn't have practically any vignetting @ f/2.8, while 100MP vignettes more even at f/4 (concerns only mid and far distances, close-ups and macros don't vignette)
- from f/2.8 to f/8 there are no practical differences in details in the plane I have focused, at f/2 100MP beats 85P clearly, and diffraction eats less 100MP detail in f/11 (both suck as bad @ f/16) [the practical for me is A2 size prints, pixel peepers for sure find differences, but that is their problem, I could not care less pixel peeping, if I would like to get larger than A2 I anyway would shoot panorama]
- 85P focus shift, if mitigated doesn't cause any image quality issues
Jim, lots of good bridge shots, hard to name favorite since I liked both the f/9 shot as well as f/1.6.
alpenglowing, liked the shot with black bars and containers and some other stuff on background. The 2nd shot would have benefitted of using f/2.5-3.2 aperture (would have made the bokeh less nervous, unless that was what you tried to do)
Picture This!, your shot of woman and man in beach, I would assume you still used your old sharpening method on this (halo between the horizon "cliffs" and sky [making them look like they are photoshopped to photo] + lack of textures what should have been visible in 1280px wide image)? +1 to Edwards pop out comment
Jaan, 1,4/35 has crazy good bokeh @ f/1.6, there still seems to be some nervousness in bokeh, but if it's this small @ f/1.6, it should be gone @ f/2 or f/2.2. I really try not to get 1,4/35 but it's harder and harder to resists...
Dalmas, liked your mid aperture shots with 50P, even light was very boring on the cityscape in bokeh shots. The train shot, due to it's large distance, might have worked better at f/2 or even wider open for me (most probably for print & full screen viewing f/2.8 has enough separation)
joakim, liked 2nd of the black and white images, great work preserving people shape and volume (not turning them to cardboard people) even using black & white
reza187, "Stacks of magazines from the good old days" really good example of 1,4/35 bokeh again
Bob, great looking park with waterfalls you have there, liked most the 3rd from first set and best was the 2nd from second set
akul, liked your 3rd shot, the f/2.8 usage caused nice "contrast separation" between the chairs and background cityscape
kaycephoto, liked the 21mm shot, don't know exactly why but the "models" having just black and white and colors on background has something to do with it
I tried to repeat "guess which is 100MP and 85P" experiment (from page 515). Since last time the guessing was so difficult I decided to shoot this one on conditions, which are worst for 85P and should make guessing easier; minimum focus distance and using wide aperture (f/2.8).
However I didn't this time manage to do it well, last time I had to use EXIF to find out which is which, but now the differences are so obvious that I didn't even bother hiding them (=EXIF is there). Identifying is super easy this time, not for reason I assumed; 85P sucks close up, but because of other factors:
- white balance: colder WB = 100MP (last time the brown subject didn't make it so obvious)
- CA on both sides of focus plane: 100MP shows this much better, specially visible on 2nd scene (but both suffer from it)
Setup for photos; one flash from high and left of camera with VERY narrow snoot, tripod and subject on wooden floor and I tried to match field of views by using extra long (200mm) arca-swiss lens plate as focusing rail. First on both sets is 100MP and second 85P.
Scene 1 - Genelec 6010A (larger 100MP, 85P)
Scene 2 - RØDE Microphones (larger 100MP and 85P
Samuli
EDIT: link fix
Apr 22, 2012 at 03:51 AM
p.599 #19ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Thanks - since you have 100MP I don't think it makes much sense to get 85P. I almost never carry both of them with me at same time. The main differences from my point of view (and in order I find them causing 85P to have it's characteristics):
- 85P lower contrast in bokeh (black are not as black and colors due to that less saturate) [this is the optical character, what makes the biggest difference to me]
- 85P has less CA errors in bokeh areas very close to the plane into which user focused, or they are less...Show more →
Well, thanks for trying to save me money, but I think I have solid proof that reasons exist for having both. For example, you have both Also, don't forget that I chose to keep both 50P and 50MP, so I am also susceptible to this disease. I have also tried it personally and like it very much.
One reason I would like to have the 85P is the wider angle of view. It is a small difference most of the time, but a large difference on occasion. Another reason is the better hand-holdability and wider aperture when ultimate image quality isn't the top criterion. Another reason is for portraits in controlled conditions, where I think it delivers images with quite a different feel, more like the 50P. Finally, I just love the way it renders certain scenes, like your tree portraits. The 100MP is quite similar, but not the same.
carstenw wrote
Every time you post Zeiss 85 shots, Samuli, I think that this should be my next lens. Thanks - since you have 100MP I don't think it makes much sense to get 85P. I almost never carry both of them with me at same time. The main differences from my point of view (and in order I find them causing 85P to have it's characteristics):- 85P lower contrast in bokeh (black are not as black and colors due to that less saturate) [this is the optical character, what makes the biggest difference to me]
- 85P has less CA errors in bokeh areas very close to the plane into which user focused, or they are less...Show more →
Well, thanks for trying to save me money, but I think I have solid proof that reasons exist for having both. For example, you have both
Also, don't forget that I chose to keep both 50P and 50MP, so I am also susceptible to this disease. I have also tried it personally and like it very much.One reason I would like to have the 85P is the wider angle of view. It is a small difference most of the time, but a large difference on occasion. Another reason is the better hand-holdability and wider aperture when ultimate image quality isn't the top criterion. Another reason is for portraits in controlled conditions, where I think it delivers images with quite a different feel, more like the 50P. Finally, I just love the way it renders certain scenes, like your tree portraits. The 100MP is quite similar, but not the same.
Apr 22, 2012 at 04:22 AM
p.599 #20ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
If you belive there is enough difference to own both the 50P and 50 MP, then buy the 85. The 85 and 100 are more different than the 50s.
Agree with most things Samuli wrote about them. But not the vignetting. I don't think the 100 have much vignetting compared to the 85 or the other Zeiss lenses. And I don't agree about the vignetting at f/4. I would say it's (nearly) gone and a non issue at f/4. Just like he write it is at f/2,8 with the 85
Agree with most things Samuli wrote about them. But not the vignetting. I don't think the 100 have much vignetting compared to the 85 or the other Zeiss lenses. And I don't agree about the vignetting at f/4. I would say it's (nearly) gone and a non issue at f/4. Just like he write it is at f/2,8 with the 85
Apr 22, 2012 at 04:30 AM