I think just asking the question this way essentially makes it unanswerable.
The reality is that the folks expressing suspicion or cynicism or skepticism, whether sincere or simply trying to be clever, aren't going to be satisfied with anything less than first-hand experience.
Wish we can find some proof from Canon that they are ready to be shipped. Local dealer in Ohio called the Canon Rep yesterday to ask and she said she hasn't heard a thing and that if she had to guess it won't be till Jan. before shipping starts.
jerrykur wrote:
These guys are not testers. The product lines are running and product is already going into boxes. The design and implementation was frozen long ago. At this point these are launch customers.
The next firmware update is almost certainly already in the works. Most products are launched with a few known defects, no matter how minor.
sivrajbm wrote:
I want the REAL third party reviews not the Canon Factory folks reviews. Is Canon still afraid to have this thing tested
Jarvis, there is also certain "safety in numbers" when it comes to operating experience feedback. Give it about six months, that's all.....your 1DsMkII should last that long I hope. By mid 2010 those of us who have no particular reason to lemming into buying MkIV earlier than that should have a pretty good composite picture of the camera's performance.
I can't imagine that Canon would release a new sports camera without "solving" the AF problems (I had none with mine) of the MK III (that is to say all the problems that Canon could verify as problems).
Obviously, Canon has better sensor technology for better hi ISO. Canon infuriates me in the way they segment their market-I really wanted a FF 16+ Mp "1D" camera. So I bought the D3s (and will hang on to my 1Ds Mk III-unless the Mk IV really has better IQ?).
The 1Ds Mk IV will take some time (processing/buffer technology department?) to be released and it will have LOTs of Mp (and slow fps/tiny buffer because of Huge file sizes). Currently, the 7D has a 18Mp "APC" sensor which, with the same pixel density, would populate a FF sensor at the rate of 47Mp!! Watch out Leica S2 and Phase One!
I can't imagine that Canon would release a new sports camera without "solving" the AF problems (I had none with mine) of the MK III (that is to say all the problems that Canon could verify as problems).
Obviously, Canon has better sensor technology for better hi ISO. Canon infuriates me in the way they segment their market-I really wanted a FF 16+ Mp "1D" camera. So I bought the D3s (and will hang on to my 1Ds Mk III-unless the Mk IV really has better IQ?).
The 1Ds Mk IV will take some time (processing/buffer technology department?) to be released and it will have LOTs of Mp (and slow fps/tiny buffer because of Huge file sizes). Currently, the 7D has a 18Mp "APC" sensor which, with the same pixel density, would populate a FF sensor at the rate of 47Mp!! Watch out Leica S2 and Phase One!
Imagemaster wrote:
Maybe you should just wait until there are a few more out there to test.
maybe they Canon dont want internet Trolls to be the beta testers...
Official reviews should only be considered of final production cameras; take the anecdotal feedback from those who have shot with the Beta bodies without passing any judgment. Something to keep in mind is that the current 1DmkIV was already in the field being tested, adjusted and modified repeatedly long before rumors of it even began appearing. Don't bother trying to spot the 1DmkV;the test mules are disguised quite well. Surely Nikon has a few test mules floating about for their next camera too. Anyone with consumer product development experience can tell you the same thing.
evertdoorn wrote:
Besides, these are just impressions, not thorough reviews. And isn't RobG endorsed by Nikon now? There goes neutrality...
Anyway, the damn thing hasn't been released yet. Wouldn't expect reviews until it is.
No
Just because he panned the auto focus on the 1d3 doesnt mean he is or is not endorsed by anyone and if you follow his website you will notice he takes advertising money from whoever ponies up the readys.
Get over it. By all initial reports the 1D4 as the 7D are really great cameras.
I really dont understand the insecurity displayed by some of you canon shooters.
Take your gear and enjoy it. The technology of today is so far in advance to what we had 5 years ago that we could never have imagined.
There are many out there with 30D s and D70 s who are getting results that amaze them and their clients, so learn to take advantage of the technology to hand, stop whinging and take some photos
PetKal wrote:
Jarvis, there is also certain "safety in numbers" when it comes to operating experience feedback. Give it about six months, that's all.....your 1DsMkII should last that long I hope. By mid 2010 those of us who have no particular reason to lemming into buying MkIV earlier than that should have a pretty good composite picture of the camera's performance.
Hey Peter, I plan to wait at least till then unless it starts to rain mo money, mo money. All three of my cameras are still doing a great job and earning me money. I'm in no real hurry, just want to know should I save for a new body or buy a couple "M3's and/or Ds2/3"....
sivrajbm wrote:
Hey Peter, I plan to wait at least till then unless it starts to rain mo money, mo money. All three of my cameras are still doing a great job and earning me money. I'm in no real hurry, just want to know should I save for a new body or buy a couple "M3's and/or Ds2/3"....
Jarvis, I understand, I am in a similar boat myself.
Depending on how these Mk IV reviews turn out, I might want to get my 2nd 1DsMkII again. (A couple of months ago I bought it but the shutter was bad so the camera had to be returned.). The MkIII's are and will remain off limits for me......primarily due to AF risks and then battery incompatibility with my MkII cameras.
Frankly, the fact that working wire guys and sports pros are using the Mark IV to "get the shot" that they have to have or lose their job is a pretty good sign. If the camera doesn't work these guys just aren't going to use it day in and day out.
cocodrillo wrote:
Frankly, the fact that working wire guys and sports pros are using the Mark IV to "get the shot" that they have to have or lose their job is a pretty good sign. If the camera doesn't work these guys just aren't going to use it day in and day out.
And I bet you would be hard-pressed to find shooters like that not shooting with the Mark III. Maybe a IIn in the bag for emergencies, but the Mark III is their go-to body (well, except those one or two Nikon users obviously... I kid.).
I like the way the Mark IV is shaping up, go to see one in action a few weeks ago. The shooter had just gotten it, didn't have much in the way things to say about it except he was curing at it the whole time. I think he was just pissed he had to cover a super boring high school football semi-final game...
The other thing I LOVE about the Mark IV is that it is TANKING the B/S prices of the Mark III. At $2100 for a 'Fred Miranda'-quality body that was hardly touched, means I'll probably be getting one early next year. (we all know that in order to sell stuff around here, your equipment has to be pristine! Go over to SS to get beatup, perfectly functional equipment )
Yes, the low-light capability of EOS 1D Mk IV is truly amazing ... to hear 150 photographers in a crowded room all inhale at the same time and then start breathing again was quite something.
DavidP wrote:
What percentage of sports shooters with the Mk-III are still using the Mk-II as their main body? And presumably don't use the Mk-III at all any more.
The 1D Mark IV is still on target to ship to USA dealers during the 2nd half of December. Sorry I can't be more precise than that, but it's not that far away now.
By mid 2010 those of us who have no particular reason to lemming into buying MkIV earlier than that should have a pretty good composite picture of the camera's performance.