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p.1 #1Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Jeff Ascough has posted images from a 1D4 on his blog including some crops at high ISO
http://jeffascough.typepad.com/jeff_ascough_blog/2009/11/canon-1dmkiv-at-a-wedding.html
http://jeffascough.typepad.com/jeff_ascough_blog/2009/11/canon-1dmkiv-at-a-wedding.html
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:04 PM
p.1 #2Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Don't know .... I can't say I am blown away by the IQ, and would still rather have 2 bodies .... a 5D II and 7D .... than a 1D IV. But this is just me, of course.
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:14 PM
p.1 #3Jeff Ascough and 1D4
It's pre-production, and it's only one person's samples...
...I'd wait for some more tests, from a production camera, before judging.
...I'd wait for some more tests, from a production camera, before judging.
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:23 PM
p.1 #4Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Nothing earth shattering there. The 1600 ISO crop looks a bit 7D-like in terms of IQ albeit pretty noise free.
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:28 PM
p.1 #5Jeff Ascough and 1D4
i've always wondered about the whole "pre production model" claim - how much different (or better) is a camera going to be that has already been introduced and is due out on the market any day/week now?
i'm not an industry designer/engineer, so i am honestly curious as to how misleading/leading/apologetic it is for a tester to say "now this was a pre-production sample, mind you."
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i'm not an industry designer/engineer, so i am honestly curious as to how misleading/leading/apologetic it is for a tester to say "now this was a pre-production sample, mind you."
?
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:32 PM
p.1 #6Jeff Ascough and 1D4
It is terrible, just like the official samples.
just like my 500d with noise reduction set to 'standard'.
just like my 500d with noise reduction set to 'standard'.
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:37 PM
p.1 #7Jeff Ascough and 1D4
The quality of the files from this camera makes me believe that we are finally at the stage where we can buy a DSLR and know it will produce stunning results for many years to come - the necessity to upgrade won't as great as it has been in previous years.
You can say that of the mkIII series too
But that 1D4 ISO12800 100% crop looks pretty good
You can say that of the mkIII series too
But that 1D4 ISO12800 100% crop looks pretty good
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:44 PM
p.1 #8Jeff Ascough and 1D4
abam wrote:
i've always wondered about the whole "pre production model" claim - how much different (or better) is a camera going to be that has already been introduced and is due out on the market any day/week now?
i'm not an industry designer/engineer, so i am honestly curious as to how misleading/leading/apologetic it is for a tester to say "now this was a pre-production sample, mind you."
?
Cameras get firmware updates even after they are officially released and on store shelves, to improve functions, fix bugs, improve image quality problems like banding etc, so I'm not the least surprised if a pre-production camera isn't considered quite ready yet.
I think there is a problem with marketing people releasing info about a new model a little too early. The aim is probably to prevent people from buying competitors' products, but it also leads to maybe having to rush the camera out before they are fully polished.
i've always wondered about the whole "pre production model" claim - how much different (or better) is a camera going to be that has already been introduced and is due out on the market any day/week now?
i'm not an industry designer/engineer, so i am honestly curious as to how misleading/leading/apologetic it is for a tester to say "now this was a pre-production sample, mind you."
?
Cameras get firmware updates even after they are officially released and on store shelves, to improve functions, fix bugs, improve image quality problems like banding etc, so I'm not the least surprised if a pre-production camera isn't considered quite ready yet.
I think there is a problem with marketing people releasing info about a new model a little too early. The aim is probably to prevent people from buying competitors' products, but it also leads to maybe having to rush the camera out before they are fully polished.
Nov 24, 2009 at 01:52 PM
p.1 #9Jeff Ascough and 1D4
The quality of the files from this camera makes me believe that we are finally at the stage where we can buy a DSLR and know it will produce stunning results for many years to come - the necessity to upgrade won't as great as it has been in previous years. You can say that of the mkIII series too
Yeah Daan, we have heard that before. We all know that in the end a lot of us want that new camera, with the new features. The upgraditis makes us divorce from the camera that we definitely would keep forever. High ISO performance and higher resolution are a step up again, seems to be in line with Canon's tradition to bring us improvement in rather evolutionary steps than revolutionary features. The one that I have fallen in love with so far is HD video. This is really extremely important for journalists and professional wedding photographers who offer their clients new media solutions that go beyond a still image file for print or web services. The clientele of many photographers has become more and more demanding for those new services like short video trailers and mixed video-slideshow DVD's, online business journals etc. I am sure many of the 5DmkII owners discovered the capabilities and the EOSfun
of all that hybrid media in one photobox already. Now that the 1DIV is here, we are going to see a lot more interesting applications from professionals. I am sure in the end this is going to be even more appreciated than the 12800+ hype thingy 
Yeah Daan, we have heard that before. We all know that in the end a lot of us want that new camera, with the new features. The upgraditis makes us divorce from the camera that we definitely would keep forever. High ISO performance and higher resolution are a step up again, seems to be in line with Canon's tradition to bring us improvement in rather evolutionary steps than revolutionary features. The one that I have fallen in love with so far is HD video. This is really extremely important for journalists and professional wedding photographers who offer their clients new media solutions that go beyond a still image file for print or web services. The clientele of many photographers has become more and more demanding for those new services like short video trailers and mixed video-slideshow DVD's, online business journals etc. I am sure many of the 5DmkII owners discovered the capabilities and the EOSfun
of all that hybrid media in one photobox already. Now that the 1DIV is here, we are going to see a lot more interesting applications from professionals. I am sure in the end this is going to be even more appreciated than the 12800+ hype thingy Nov 24, 2009 at 02:09 PM
p.1 #10Jeff Ascough and 1D4
It's not very likely that the camera with shipping firmware will behave any different than the sample that Jeff Ascough received. After all 1DIV is supposed to ship in a month or so. Not enough time to implement and properly test any serious changes.
From the description I gather that the files haven't been processed for noise reduction at all, and the sources were RAWs and not JPGs (so no in-camera processing either). While I consider all small web-sized images useless for noise evaluation, the couple of 100% crops if indeed not "denoised" are quite impressive.
I'm wondering how long before Canon pulls the photos off the net
From the description I gather that the files haven't been processed for noise reduction at all, and the sources were RAWs and not JPGs (so no in-camera processing either). While I consider all small web-sized images useless for noise evaluation, the couple of 100% crops if indeed not "denoised" are quite impressive.
I'm wondering how long before Canon pulls the photos off the net
Nov 24, 2009 at 02:10 PM
p.1 #11Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Why would anyone expect to see a big difference in IQ?
It's never been that way, instead we get more features, marginal "IQ" improvement, mainly in the high ISO noise department, and that's about it.
My interest in the MKIV is about getting more resolution, hopefully 1 stop improvement in high ISO noise, nice LCD (LCD on the 1DMKIII is crap by any standard), possibly video...and of course all the other things that typically comes with a 1 series body...build, seal, battery life, form factor, speed, etc.
It's never been that way, instead we get more features, marginal "IQ" improvement, mainly in the high ISO noise department, and that's about it.
My interest in the MKIV is about getting more resolution, hopefully 1 stop improvement in high ISO noise, nice LCD (LCD on the 1DMKIII is crap by any standard), possibly video...and of course all the other things that typically comes with a 1 series body...build, seal, battery life, form factor, speed, etc.
Nov 24, 2009 at 02:12 PM
p.1 #12Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Lol.. a few people have no PERSPECTIVE.
How far have we come in 10 years. For Jebus' sake, he's shooting at ISO 12,800, and he's got so much detail!
C'mon folks, get with it.
How far have we come in 10 years. For Jebus' sake, he's shooting at ISO 12,800, and he's got so much detail!
C'mon folks, get with it.
Nov 24, 2009 at 02:16 PM
p.1 #13Jeff Ascough and 1D4
eosfun wrote:
Yeah Daan, we have heard that before. We all know that in the end a lot of us want that new camera, with the new features. The upgraditis makes us divorce from the camera that we definitely would keep forever. High ISO performance and higher resolution are a step up again, seems to be in line with Canon's tradition to bring us improvement in rather evolutionary steps than revolutionary features. The one that I have fallen in love with so far is HD video. This is really extremely important for journalists and professional wedding photographers who offer their clients new...Show more →
Well, maybe I don't suffer from upgraditis... because I see no need for a 1D4... even though ISO12800 looks really good (which to me isn't as much as a hype as the video thingy )
Earlier quote
The quality of the files from this camera makes me believe that we are finally at the stage where we can buy a DSLR and know it will produce stunning results for many years to come - the necessity to upgrade won't as great as it has been in previous years. You can say that of the mkIII series tooWell, maybe I don't suffer from upgraditis... because I see no need for a 1D4... even though ISO12800 looks really good (which to me isn't as much as a hype as the video thingy
) Nov 24, 2009 at 02:18 PM
p.1 #15Jeff Ascough and 1D4
which to me isn't as much as a hype as the video thingy )
I have to admit I had the same idea. Video really wasn't something for me. But my clients think differently. Wait until you have done some HD-video Daan. You'll know what I mean. HD video is the new EOSfun
I have to admit I had the same idea. Video really wasn't something for me. But my clients think differently. Wait until you have done some HD-video Daan. You'll know what I mean. HD video is the new EOSfun
Nov 24, 2009 at 02:35 PM
p.1 #16Jeff Ascough and 1D4
I have shot with the 1D, 1D2, 1Ds2, 1Ds3 pre-production cameras freely and extensively, and also always bought the 1Ds variants when they were "done". There was no difference in image quality or handling - the only thing that changed was file naming scheme (with the 1D) and the removal of the actuation counter (1Ds3). So no, don't expect the "real" images to be any better - post-processing will get better of course, because you won't be trapped in DPP
Nov 24, 2009 at 02:38 PM
p.1 #17Jeff Ascough and 1D4
FretNoMore wrote:
Nothing - *nothing* - will please some.
+ 1 bazillion.
Nothing - *nothing* - will please some.
+ 1 bazillion.
Nov 24, 2009 at 02:57 PM
p.1 #18Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Yeah, if I can get same/similar IQ as the 1DMKIII plus a 1 stop noise advantage, all at 16MP, then I'll be a happy camper.
Nov 24, 2009 at 03:04 PM
p.1 #19Jeff Ascough and 1D4
FretNoMore wrote:
Cameras get firmware updates even after they are officially released and on store shelves, to improve functions, fix bugs, improve image quality problems like banding etc...
good points
Cameras get firmware updates even after they are officially released and on store shelves, to improve functions, fix bugs, improve image quality problems like banding etc...
good points
Nov 24, 2009 at 03:22 PM
p.1 #20Jeff Ascough and 1D4
Yeah, if I can get same/similar IQ as the 1DMKIII plus a 1 stop noise advantage, all at 16MP, then I'll be a happy camper.
You'll get more than that, so you should be a happy camper. But, the same IQ is never true. The image quality changed and by definition, it's quality not quantity, most people will like that new IQ, but some won't. There is two things I have seen so far that I am sure will bother some people.
Colours. The DIGIC 3 colour rendition always had some magic to me (even in a 450D!). Something that has changed and in some lighting condition I miss that magic 'golden browns' of the 1DmkIII. Not saying the colour rendition of the new one is bad or worse, au contraire. Even though I have not been able to do thorough testing so far my impression is the colour gamut is slightly wider, but I somehow miss that typical colours of the past (yes it's probably nostalgia), just like I mostly had to get used to the new colours of a new camera (except for the 1DsIII which I liked from day one).
Second is some highlight diffusion halo like effect on the pixel levels. Not that I am the kind of pixelpeeper, but I have noticed a slight tendency to soft haloing in highlight details with some of my fast lenses at high ISO settings.
I am sure some of you are going to research this in detail and share pictures of this phenomenon with us. Have EOSfun testdriving, all of you lucky new owners of the IV! 
Edited on Nov 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM · View previous versions
You'll get more than that, so you should be a happy camper. But, the same IQ is never true. The image quality changed and by definition, it's quality not quantity, most people will like that new IQ, but some won't. There is two things I have seen so far that I am sure will bother some people.
Colours. The DIGIC 3 colour rendition always had some magic to me (even in a 450D!). Something that has changed and in some lighting condition I miss that magic 'golden browns' of the 1DmkIII. Not saying the colour rendition of the new one is bad or worse, au contraire. Even though I have not been able to do thorough testing so far my impression is the colour gamut is slightly wider, but I somehow miss that typical colours of the past (yes it's probably nostalgia), just like I mostly had to get used to the new colours of a new camera (except for the 1DsIII which I liked from day one).
Second is some highlight diffusion halo like effect on the pixel levels. Not that I am the kind of pixelpeeper, but I have noticed a slight tendency to soft haloing in highlight details with some of my fast lenses at high ISO settings.
I am sure some of you are going to research this in detail and share pictures of this phenomenon with us. Have EOSfun
testdriving, all of you lucky new owners of the IV! Edited on Nov 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM · View previous versions
Nov 24, 2009 at 03:32 PM