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p.1 #114-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church
Yesterday I took some pictures of a local church. It was a good possibility to compare my wide angle lenses in a real situation. All picture weres taken at f/11 and both TS lenses were nearly fully shifted. The camera was a 5D II. Regarding the quality there is not much difference between the 14-24mm, the 17mm TSE, the 21mm ZE and the 24mm TSE II in this situation (in contrast to brick wall tests at f/2.8-4.0):
14-24mm@14mm:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/4098523341_441fb5ffe8_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4099281958_ac6bb92c7b_o.jpg
17mm TSE:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4099279068_7f85da7ff4_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2529/4098528227_d437dd94ff_o.jpg
21mm ZE:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/4098525565_f1ca19ff8e_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/4099283698_1a75ef1fb3_o.jpg
24mm TSE II:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2502/4099281166_88d768c6e6_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/4099284626_81c2cc65a5_o.jpg
Best reagards,
Boris
14-24mm@14mm:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/4098523341_441fb5ffe8_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4099281958_ac6bb92c7b_o.jpg
17mm TSE:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4099279068_7f85da7ff4_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2529/4098528227_d437dd94ff_o.jpg
21mm ZE:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/4098525565_f1ca19ff8e_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/4099283698_1a75ef1fb3_o.jpg
24mm TSE II:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2502/4099281166_88d768c6e6_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/4099284626_81c2cc65a5_o.jpg
Best reagards,
Boris
Nov 12, 2009 at 04:12 PM
p.1 #214-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do this and post! 
Nov 12, 2009 at 05:22 PM
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Bobu wrote:
All picture weres taken at f/11 [...] Regarding the quality there is not much difference between the 14-24mm, the 17mm TSE, the 21mm ZE and the 24mm TSE II in this situation
Well, I can't say I'm surprised.
Happy shooting
Yakim.
All picture weres taken at f/11 [...] Regarding the quality there is not much difference between the 14-24mm, the 17mm TSE, the 21mm ZE and the 24mm TSE II in this situation
Well, I can't say I'm surprised.
Happy shooting
Yakim.
Nov 12, 2009 at 05:40 PM
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That 17 TSE is .... WOW. All of the pieces of glass you showed here give lots of EOSfun, but that widest TSE is an interesting challenge for the photographers creativity like no other wide lens. Your full shift shot of the ceiling is a great example of the possibilities of a super wide tilt and shift. Thanks for sharing this interesting comparison 
Nov 12, 2009 at 05:46 PM
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Thank you for the comparison, Boris. The conclusion would be.... at that aperture, it doesn't matter what lens you use, correct 
? But I am impressed with both TS-E lenses, even shifted that much
? But I am impressed with both TS-E lenses, even shifted that much Nov 12, 2009 at 05:47 PM
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eosfun wrote:
That 17 TSE is .... WOW. All of the pieces of glass you showed here give lots of EOSfun, but that widest TSE is an interesting challenge for the photographers creativity like no other wide lens. Your full shift shot of the ceiling is a great example of the possibilities of a super wide tilt and shift. Thanks for sharing this interesting comparison
I really am beginning to like that 17 TSE. I had the original 24 though, and hardly used it. I'm not convinced that I'd get much use out of the 17 either. It would certainly make a nice interior/archetecture lens, and would be useful on a cropper as well as on full frame.
That 17 TSE is .... WOW. All of the pieces of glass you showed here give lots of EOSfun, but that widest TSE is an interesting challenge for the photographers creativity like no other wide lens. Your full shift shot of the ceiling is a great example of the possibilities of a super wide tilt and shift. Thanks for sharing this interesting comparison
I really am beginning to like that 17 TSE. I had the original 24 though, and hardly used it. I'm not convinced that I'd get much use out of the 17 either. It would certainly make a nice interior/archetecture lens, and would be useful on a cropper as well as on full frame.
Nov 12, 2009 at 06:24 PM
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Nice series. Thanks for posting.
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
Nov 12, 2009 at 06:32 PM
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mfoto wrote:
Nice series. Thanks for posting.
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
My ex 16-35 mk1 would be completely crushed by my 17TSE even at f11, especially if you look off center.
Nice series. Thanks for posting.
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
My ex 16-35 mk1 would be completely crushed by my 17TSE even at f11, especially if you look off center.
Nov 12, 2009 at 06:38 PM
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Blimey! No recession hitting that church! The 17 TS-E photo is simply incredible.
Nov 12, 2009 at 06:55 PM
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mfoto wrote:
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less.
Well then it depends on whether you think the extra wideness of the 17mm focal length and the Tilt/Shift capability is worth $1000.
Edited on Nov 12, 2009 at 07:40 PM · View previous versions
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less.
Well then it depends on whether you think the extra wideness of the 17mm focal length and the Tilt/Shift capability is worth $1000.
Edited on Nov 12, 2009 at 07:40 PM · View previous versions
Nov 12, 2009 at 07:07 PM
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michael49 wrote:
What a beautiful church.
There will be NO commenting on the subject.
Actually, it is quite nice.
What a beautiful church.
There will be NO commenting on the subject.
Actually, it is quite nice.
Nov 12, 2009 at 07:37 PM
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stanj wrote:
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.My ex 16-35 mk1 would be completely crushed by my 17TSE even at f11, especially if you look off center.
Thanks Stan. Of course I say "probably not that bad" as a way of telling myself that it's probably good enough for me, for now, and I won't have to worry about shelling out the dollars for one of these wonders. As you know I'm also considering the 24 1.4L II. I am taking my time in making this decision but hope to have wide prime in my bag before a trip in the spring.
mfoto wrote
Nice series. Thanks for posting.The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
Thanks Stan. Of course I say "probably not that bad" as a way of telling myself that it's probably good enough for me, for now, and I won't have to worry about shelling out the dollars for one of these wonders. As you know I'm also considering the 24 1.4L II. I am taking my time in making this decision but hope to have wide prime in my bag before a trip in the spring.
Nov 12, 2009 at 07:58 PM
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Interesting that the 17 is wider than the 14-24 shot, based on the 5th side windows in view. Are you sure the 14-24 shot was really at 14?
Nov 12, 2009 at 08:24 PM
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mfoto wrote:
Thanks Stan. Of course I say "probably not that bad" as a way of telling myself that it's probably good enough for me, for now, and I won't have to worry about shelling out the dollars for one of these wonders. As you know I'm also considering the 24 1.4L II. I am taking my time in making this decision but hope to have wide prime in my bag before a trip in the spring.
Well it depends on what you need I have the 24L2 as well, and love it. The original 24L was my favorite lens for more than a decade, and the 24L2 is a worthy replacement (unlike the whole 16-35 upgrade ). I'd say it greatly depends on what you need - I have the 24L not for super sharp images but rather for low light work wide open or close to that. I think if you can put the camera on a tripod then most lenses will do fine at f11 - some may do better than others, but by and large they will be all good. I don't have the TSEs for their sharpness but more for the shifting. I had the 24TSE (mk1) as well, and while it didn't scream "pixel peep me!" on the 1Ds3 it was certainly a great lens for its purpose. The new ones are just better
Thanks Stan. Of course I say "probably not that bad" as a way of telling myself that it's probably good enough for me, for now, and I won't have to worry about shelling out the dollars for one of these wonders. As you know I'm also considering the 24 1.4L II. I am taking my time in making this decision but hope to have wide prime in my bag before a trip in the spring.
Well it depends on what you need
I have the 24L2 as well, and love it. The original 24L was my favorite lens for more than a decade, and the 24L2 is a worthy replacement (unlike the whole 16-35 upgrade ). I'd say it greatly depends on what you need - I have the 24L not for super sharp images but rather for low light work wide open or close to that. I think if you can put the camera on a tripod then most lenses will do fine at f11 - some may do better than others, but by and large they will be all good. I don't have the TSEs for their sharpness but more for the shifting. I had the 24TSE (mk1) as well, and while it didn't scream "pixel peep me!" on the 1Ds3 it was certainly a great lens for its purpose. The new ones are just better Nov 12, 2009 at 10:23 PM
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Geofn wrote:
Interesting that the 17 is wider than the 14-24 shot, based on the 5th side windows in view. Are you sure the 14-24 shot was really at 14?
Yes, but I changed the position of the tripod between the shots.
Interesting that the 17 is wider than the 14-24 shot, based on the 5th side windows in view. Are you sure the 14-24 shot was really at 14?
Yes, but I changed the position of the tripod between the shots.
Nov 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM
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Tom_W wrote:
There will be NO commenting on the subject.
Actually, it is quite nice.
Here you can find some information about this church, but the text is in german:
http://www.ingolstadt.de/stadtmuseum/scheuerer/ing/mdv-kirc.htm
Boris
michael49 wrote
What a beautiful church.Actually, it is quite nice.
Here you can find some information about this church, but the text is in german:
http://www.ingolstadt.de/stadtmuseum/scheuerer/ing/mdv-kirc.htm
Boris
Nov 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Thank you for the comparison, Boris. The conclusion would be.... at that aperture, it doesn't matter what lens you use, correct?
Regard the quality: yes. But regarding the composition the shift-function is quite helpfull in this situation.
Boris
Thank you for the comparison, Boris. The conclusion would be.... at that aperture, it doesn't matter what lens you use, correct
? Regard the quality: yes. But regarding the composition the shift-function is quite helpfull in this situation.
Boris
Nov 12, 2009 at 11:29 PM
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mfoto wrote:
The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
Even at f/11 you would see the difference. I had the 16-35 and sold it, because I was not satisfied with the quality.
Boris
The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.
Even at f/11 you would see the difference. I had the 16-35 and sold it, because I was not satisfied with the quality.
Boris
Nov 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM
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Boris, you have some beautiful shots on your site. Thanks for your input.
Nov 12, 2009 at 11:51 PM