In Europe (don't know about the US) Sandisk gave away a Cap One v.3 licence with certain cards (I got mine with a 2gb Extreme III in 2007) and while that got us into v4 for nothing (bargain!) we won't be able to upgrade to v5 unless we put our hands in our pockets.
GeneO wrote:
What version did you start with. That "1 more upgrade" means past your intial version purchased, not your current (sadly). You must have purchased V3
Gene
If this is so (and I suspect it is) this has to be the most convoluted uses of the english language that I've seen. The licencing site uses the term "Free upgrades left" giving the obvious implication that the count is reduced whenever you upgrade and thus a positive number would indicate that...well.... that you still have a free upgrade left!
BTW has anyone figured out if there is actually anything different between CO4 and CO5 ..not PRO..(aside from some additional cameras supported). I can't see anything obvious.
CVickery wrote:
If this is so (and I suspect it is) this has to be the most convoluted uses of the english language that I've seen. The licencing site uses the term "Free upgrades left" giving the obvious implication that the count is reduced whenever you upgrade and thus a positive number would indicate that...well.... that you still have a free upgrade left!
BTW has anyone figured out if there is actually anything different between CO4 and CO5 ..not PRO..(aside from some additional cameras supported). I can't see anything obvious.
That's for sure! I opened a ticket and talked to customer support, Their free upgrades is as I described it - number free past your the version you purchased. So I purchased version 1, have 3 free upgrades listed which means I could upgrade to V4, but have to pay for v5.
Yes, there are new features available. I haven't pursued it though. I will wait until I need to upgrade for a new body if I get one.
btw, I asked about the free upgrade you get upgrading to v5. The answer was you only get version 5. Free upgrades = 0.
My conversation with their support started as I thought when I bought version 1, they switched 3 upgrades to unlimited. What they did was switch the installations from 3 to unlimited (as it was a hassle to transfer the licenses to new machines or reinstalls).
I had been using C1 4 that came with the D-lux4 and C1 5 is excellent. 7D files look great. As a LR fanboy since the first Beta I find that C1 5's output tops LR3 Beta by a long shot. But the Pro price is steep as always.
mfurman wrote:
There are a few small differences - one of them is Focus tool (in a sense similar what I used in CO v3.x)
OK, I see that now. Not a lot to make the cost of the upgrade worthwhile IMO. Lucklily I don't need any of the new cameras they added, so I'll likely stick with CO4 for now, but when the time comes, I'll be looking into the alternatives as well.
I downloaded the trial and chose to try the Pro version..
I really like it.. the previews are sharp and it works fast!
I cant figure out the skintone control .. I cycle through and see no change.. I can use the eyedropper to sample and create a new skintone..but then i choose another image and check that new skintone I made... no change...
p.4 #10 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
Nchakos wrote:
I downloaded the trial and chose to try the Pro version..
I really like it.. the previews are sharp and it works fast!
I cant figure out the skintone control .. I cycle through and see no change.. I can use the eyedropper to sample and create a new skintone..but then i choose another image and check that new skintone I made... no change...
what am I doing wrong?
Did you select the name of your new preset in the drop down menu?
p.4 #11 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
The skintone tool is for matching the color of an object (not necessarily skin) between multiple photos.
You create a new skin tone picking it in one picture, turn off pick to choose color and on another picture you select the same object with the picker tool.
This is useful when shooting a subject in changing conditions and want to preserve it's appearance in the situation that multiple variants are going to be displayed side-by-side.
p.4 #12 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
The skintone tool isn't anything more then a glorified (modified) white balance tool. You can do the same thing by manually changing the white balance.
I love to use C1 but I've always hated Phase One's business practices. They need some money so they make a few minor changes to the software and call it a new version so that they can charge for it. Knowing that it's not something people are willing to spend money on they time the so called "upgrade" with a major (as in popular) camera introduction so that people are forced to buy it. If there was a way to add camera support to 3.7 then I'd still be using that version.
Yes, I'm forced since my only other alternative is to shell out even more cash for lightroom or aperture.
Here's my dilemma, I don't think Phase One is going to around all that much longer (5 years or so) so do I keep dumping money into C1 or make the switch to something else? I really don't feel like learning another program. I looked at lightroom but it looks like you have to use a calibrated monitor with it and Adobe is even worse about sucking money out of you then Phase One. At least with C1 I can still get good results using my laptop without a calibrated monitor. If I didn't shoot RAW then I guess it would be much cheaper
p.4 #13 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
Greg M wrote:
The skintone tool isn't anything more then a glorified (modified) white balance tool. You can do the same thing by manually changing the white balance.
I love to use C1 but I've always hated Phase One's business practices. They need some money so they make a few minor changes to the software and call it a new version so that they can charge for it. Knowing that it's not something people are willing to spend money on they time the so called "upgrade" with a major (as in popular) camera introduction so that people are forced to buy it. If there was a way to add camera support to 3.7 then I'd still be using that version.
Yes, I'm forced since my only other alternative is to shell out even more cash for lightroom or aperture.
Here's my dilemma, I don't think Phase One is going to around all that much longer (5 years or so) so do I keep dumping money into C1 or make the switch to something else? I really don't feel like learning another program. I looked at lightroom but it looks like you have to use a calibrated monitor with it and Adobe is even worse about sucking money out of you then Phase One. At least with C1 I can still get good results using my laptop without a calibrated monitor. If I didn't shoot RAW then I guess it would be much cheaper ...Show more →
You are of course entitled to your opinion but I think it's quite wrong. The new version of C1 Pro is just excellent and the skin tone tool works locally within an image so is nothing like changing the white balance at all.
As for their upgrade policy, last time I looked Phase One were a company trying to make profits. If you don't want to buy their stuff I imagine they will get over the disappointment eventually
p.4 #14 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
I have been using Phase One converters since 2003. I tried and used many other RAW converters (including Lightroom) and I always came back.
I have paid for C1 5 PRO upgrade and I do not even have EOS 7D. I think that it is an excellent product. Thank you dhphoto for posting about it.
p.4 #15 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
dhphoto wrote:
You are of course entitled to your opinion but I think it's quite wrong. The new version of C1 Pro is just excellent and the skin tone tool works locally within an image so is nothing like changing the white balance at all.
As for their upgrade policy, last time I looked Phase One were a company trying to make profits. If you don't want to buy their stuff I imagine they will get over the disappointment eventually
Well then, I may be using the skintone tool wrong but when I use it the white balance (kelvin & tint) of the whole picture changes. If that's not what's suppose to happen then someone please tell me how to use it.
C1 v4 was just excellent. My problem is I don't see enough here to justify a paid upgrade other then camera support.
BTW, what's with the attitude? They won't get over their disappointment if they continue to loose customers. With the continued improvements in DSLR cameras how long do you think they can continue to sell their expensive cameras? Their high end high margin business is drying up.
They have already lost many software customers to lightroom and aperture. If the bleeding doesn't stop they will eventually die. They need to make substantial improvements to their software because lightroom is ahead in features and pretty much caught up in image quality.
I will pay because I dislike Adobe more then Phase One but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. I guess I should be more upset with Canon because of their inability to supply a decent RAW conversion program for their own cameras. I hear that Nikon does. Maybe that's the answer
p.4 #16 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
Greg M:
I will pay because I dislike Adobe more then Phase One
After my experiences with Adobe and their on line purchasing mess and completely incompetent customer support (I had to refuse charges through Master Card because there were such delays with crediting my card after the product return - very long story), I would not buy anything new from Adobe even if they were the only software company on the planet.
p.4 #19 · Capture One 5 Available, it's very good!
Greg M wrote:
I will pay because I dislike Adobe more then Phase One but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. I guess I should be more upset with Canon because of their inability to supply a decent RAW conversion program for their own cameras. I hear that Nikon does. Maybe that's the answer
Sorry, but you need to take a step back and think about what you are saying. Phase One is a business made up of people trying to make a living ... just like Adobe. They produce a nice product that you want to use, but you resent them for the effort. You think their v4 product is excellent, but the improved v5 product (well at least the PRO version) is a problem because it is an upgrade. People that create software need to charge for upgrades to fund their development. I'm impressed with what they have accomplished.
Canon gives you for free a RAW processor. If you want something nicer, than faulting the people that went to all of the effort to create it just seems wrong.
