digitalbug30d wrote:
other than resolution,cropping the arguments for a Full Frame are in the artistic,landscape,fashion ect where some will argue what I might add is a valid one the DOF aspect of 1.3 crop and FF,now saying that why would a PJ taking photos of say a senetor in a room need to worry about anything other than the main subject and things like DOF isnt on the list like it would be for a fashion photog out doors where the subject needs to be isolated then a FF would surely be needed to take advantage of 85Ls or 135Ls..
You seem to have a very narrow definition of what kind of shots a PJ would want to take
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Yohan Pamudji wrote:
You seem to have a very narrow definition of what kind of shots a PJ would want to take
no just what the two 1 series cameras targeted users are by Canon
1dmk3 fast responsive camera for all your sports needs and a valueable tool for PJs that need to get that shot in bad conditions other than a photo op
you know war zones and such.
1dsmk3 is targeted for Pros in certain industries where image quality is more paramount than what a PJ would need..so how this narrow minded?
when its Canon that is doing this...and pretty sure there is going to be a 1dsmk4 brought out soon...
digitalbug30d wrote:
no just what the two 1 series cameras targeted users are by Canon
1dmk3 fast responsive camera for all your sports needs and a valueable tool for PJs that need to get that shot in bad conditions other than a photo op
you know war zones and such.
1dsmk3 is targeted for Pros in certain industries where image quality is more paramount than what a PJ would need..so how this narrow minded?
when its Canon that is doing this...and pretty sure there is going to be a 1dsmk4 brought out soon...
Well, since Nikon offers full frame cameras with high frame rates, it's about time Canon stepped up to the plate and did the same. Ever work in tight quarters? I have a 16-35/2.8 for a reason: it goes WIDE! I need my 24/1.4 to be a 24, not a 31mm. There's no way in hell I'm paying $7000 to get a full frame body with good AF. Canon flubbed big time with the AF system on the 5D2. That's the body that could have done the trick for a lot of us. We need a high-iso, good AF full frame camera at or below $3000, a D700 killer. Or a 1Ds IV at the price of the D3s.
nathanlake wrote:
My concern is that FF is going to be more expensive. If you look at the 1D-line vs the 1Ds-line, the major difference is the sensor. Yes, the additional pixels cost more, but my understanding is the FF form factor is more expensive regardless of the pixels. While I don't have a problem with the price of the 1D-IV, I would not want the price any higher just to get FF.
Jim Levitt wrote:
Well, since Nikon offers full frame cameras with high frame rates, it's about time Canon stepped up to the plate and did the same. Ever work in tight quarters? I have a 16-35/2.8 for a reason: it goes WIDE! I need my 24/1.4 to be a 24, not a 31mm. There's no way in hell I'm paying $7000 to get a full frame body with good AF. Canon flubbed big time with the AF system on the 5D2. That's the body that could have done the trick for a lot of us. We need a high-iso, good AF full frame camera at or below $3000, a D700 killer. Or a 1Ds IV at the price of the D3s. ...Show more →
Canon is trying on both ends high-rez and High ISOs,sorry that Canon doesnt follow nikon strategy why should they when theirs is just as valid at least to them,I am with you on the last part Canon should bring out a pro camera FF to compete but I think they screwed themselves with the price point of the 5Dmk2 it shouldve went for 1999.00 to make a place for such a FF to compete at a 2999 price point and called it a 3D
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The 40D has 9 cross type sensors but the center one is a diagonal, cross-type sensor ( at 2.8 ). Somewhere alse in the white paper of the 40D a high precision cross type sensor what the other nine are not. Also the 7D has 19 cross type sensor but only one diagonal, cross-type ( high precision )
The 1D4 has 39 High precision cross type sensors at f 2.8 and the center one even at f 4. What is high precision ? I thought they have a accuracy of 1/3 of DOP and a normal cross type has a accuracy of 1 DOP is that correct ?
Geert Koning wrote:
Can someone explain the AF cross type sensors
The 40D has 9 cross type sensors but the center one is a diagonal, cross-type sensor ( at 2.8 ). Somewhere alse in the white paper of the 40D a high precision cross type sensor what the other nine are not. Also the 7D has 19 cross type sensor but only one diagonal, cross-type ( high precision )
The 1D4 has 39 High precision cross type sensors at f 2.8 and the center one even at f 4. What is high precision ? I thought they have a accuracy of 1/3 of DOP and a normal cross type has a accuracy of 1 DOP is that correct ?...Show more →
There are four types of AF points....diagonal cross, vertical/horizontal cross, vertical, and horizontal. Supposedly, diagonal cross is the best, but there must be some issue with them since they are rarely used and only in the center. They require a pretty large aperture to work. Vertical/horizontal cross have in the past been used just in the center, but recently they are being used in a larger number of the AF points. They seem to require somewhat less light than the diagonal cross, as evidenced by the fact that the diagonal will convert to vertical/horizontal with smaller apertures.
The vertical and horizontal AF points function with much smaller max apertures, but have some drawbacks. For example, if you are trying to focus on a picket fence with all its vertical pieces, a vertical AF point might have some difficulties.
Now, with the 7D (and I think the 1D-IV) they have spot AF points. These are AF points that are actually smaller than the standard. The AF point you see in the viewfinder is much smaller than the actual standard AF point, but very close to the size of the spot points.
MaxiKana wrote:
Because we PJ's and event photogs want a FF PJ camera ? =)
I can't wait to get rid of my 2 5ds, but I won't spend 7k per body to do that.
In a nutshell.
Actually, Canon is making unnecessary work for itself. Nikon has a high rez and low rez version of the D3, and that is very efficient in terms of manufacturing. Maybe high and low rez versions of the 1D, but with the same sensor size would compensate for the additional cost of full-frame sensor fabrication. Nikon's D3 illustrates that it is possible to run a full frame mirror at 10fps. 16 and 32 Mpixel versions of the 1D where the 16 runs at 10 fps and the 32 runs at 5 fps would make plenty of sense.
Full-frame sensors just do gather more light than cropped ones, which means they are better in low light, and as has been said, standard zooms fall into the right ranges, and you aren't carrying glass which you don't use (image circle).
Sebastian Kk wrote:
One question I have: Is the wireless flash transmitter that is found in the 7D also in the Mark IV? Because I didn't read anywhere that it is.
"Canon notes that the EOS 1D Mark IV cannot wirelessly control external flash units unless there’s a master flash or flash transmitter attached to the camera. The reason? Because the EOS 1D Mark IV has no built-in flash. Canon’s own EOS 7D can wirelessly control flashes without attachments to the camera body simply because it has a popup flash."
You can please some of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time. Excellent sports camera. Criticizms aside, Canon knows more about producing SLRs than the critics. Now I can start looking for the 1DMK3s at reduced prices.
digitalbug30d wrote:
no just what the two 1 series cameras targeted users are by Canon
1dmk3 fast responsive camera for all your sports needs and a valueable tool for PJs that need to get that shot in bad conditions other than a photo op
you know war zones and such.
1dsmk3 is targeted for Pros in certain industries where image quality is more paramount than what a PJ would need..so how this narrow minded?
when its Canon that is doing this...and pretty sure there is going to be a 1dsmk4 brought out soon...
I didn't say you were narrow minded. Just that I thought you had a narrow definition of a PJ's work range. Anyway, Jim Levitt more or less explained my point. I wouldn't go so far as he did and say a 1DsIV at the price of a D3S (although the 1Ds series is overpriced), but a fast 1D with FF (as opposed to a slower 1Ds with lots more pixels) would be nice one of these days. And/or a fast 5D as a D700 competitor.
Brainiac states the technically obvious solution. However we know that Canon is committed (conflicting us the point of commitment) to bifurcating their 1D series with two different sensors. Also Canon seems to believe that their sport shooters want/need some kind of crop and that is a marketing edge for them to keep the press pits "White" (with GreatWhites).
I wanted the best possible hi-ISO with a hi FPS so I bought the D3 (D3s on order) and 1Ds Mk III (I use Canon's 200mm F2.0 for portraits and am concerned that the 1.3x crop with make for just too much tele.) So maintain two system to shoot two bodies with 12/24 MP (the D3x is good for only 2 or so FPS with 14bit)-but not happy about it.
