Archive 2009 · Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
p.4 #1Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Thom Hogan commented on the published MTF chart for this lens so I thought I would have a look
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/dx/af-s_dx_micro85mmf_35g_ed_vr/index.htm
I have never seen anything like it. A virtual horizintal straight line!!
should be good
Cheers
Tim
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/dx/af-s_dx_micro85mmf_35g_ed_vr/index.htm
I have never seen anything like it. A virtual horizintal straight line!!
should be good
Cheers
Tim
Oct 15, 2009 at 12:49 AM
p.4 #2Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
90 5.0 wrote:
24 1.8, it's sigma but supposed to be good though.
http://www.adorama.com/SG2418NKAF.html?searchinfo=nikon+*24mm*
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SG2418NKAF.jpg
Nikon 28 1.4 does exist by the way noobs, they stopped making it because they didn't sell enough of them
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/28mmf14d_front.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/index2.htm
I hate to quote kr but hey he's right on this
The canon one is just as expensive
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&q=canon+24+1.4l&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14949849611967265388&ei=NDPWSqenHs_ZlAeE_sicCQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBIQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers
You can find the Mark I version of the Canon 24/1.4 for under $1000, and it's a fine lens. The 28/1.8 is not as good, but can be had used for around $300. Or you can buy those lenses brand new. On the Nikon side, the 28/1.4 is not longer made; its used-market price is frankly insane. Why should Nikon users have to buy Sigma lenses in the 24 to 30mm range? This is not some esoteric focal range. There's a real need for a fast wide prime.
24 1.8, it's sigma but supposed to be good though.
http://www.adorama.com/SG2418NKAF.html?searchinfo=nikon+*24mm*
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SG2418NKAF.jpg
Nikon 28 1.4 does exist by the way noobs, they stopped making it because they didn't sell enough of them
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/28mmf14d_front.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/index2.htm
I hate to quote kr but hey he's right on this
Earlier quote
You'll probably never see one of these. Because it was so expensive, no one bought them. Because no one bought them, Nikon stopped making them. Because Nikon stopped making them, photographers and collectors now want it, so the price, used, went up to over $2,000 in 2006. As of 2008, the used price has skyrocketed to over $4,000, which is really silly since any day now Nikon owes a new AF-S replacement. It also makes the 28mm f/1.4 more expensive than most 300mm f/2.8 lenses.http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&q=canon+24+1.4l&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14949849611967265388&ei=NDPWSqenHs_ZlAeE_sicCQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBIQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers
You can find the Mark I version of the Canon 24/1.4 for under $1000, and it's a fine lens. The 28/1.8 is not as good, but can be had used for around $300. Or you can buy those lenses brand new. On the Nikon side, the 28/1.4 is not longer made; its used-market price is frankly insane. Why should Nikon users have to buy Sigma lenses in the 24 to 30mm range? This is not some esoteric focal range. There's a real need for a fast wide prime.
Oct 15, 2009 at 12:51 AM
p.4 #3Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
i think nikon is thinking with their pocketbook for once and not what will better the consumer.
Oct 15, 2009 at 12:58 AM
p.4 #4Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Avi B wrote:
Only thing confusing about this is why it's designated a DX lens? At 85mm FL, shouldn't really need for it to be DX... Anyway, I'll betcha it will work fantastic on FX with some light vignetting wide open.
The optical forumula is much less exotic than that of the 60mm and 105mm lenses. Only one ED element, no aspherics. The new 60mm micro lens has 1 ED and 2 asperical elements. I believe that the latter are not cheap to make. And I beleive their main role is to reduce off-axis aberrations. DX means a narrower field, and less need for fancy pants elements.
millsart wrote:
If you were a DX user and wanted macro, why not use the already very good 60mm or 105mm micro lens they have ? Those are both great glass and work on both DX as well as FX.
Surely the only justification is price. They are targeting the price sensitive low end of the market. This does make sense, since sales of low end cameras far exceed sales of the D300 and D700.
There is a tendency for forum users to whine, and yet what matters to Nikon is profit. Most people probably do not post in forums, except perhaps when about to buy new gear. So we are not representative.
Only thing confusing about this is why it's designated a DX lens? At 85mm FL, shouldn't really need for it to be DX... Anyway, I'll betcha it will work fantastic on FX with some light vignetting wide open.
The optical forumula is much less exotic than that of the 60mm and 105mm lenses. Only one ED element, no aspherics. The new 60mm micro lens has 1 ED and 2 asperical elements. I believe that the latter are not cheap to make. And I beleive their main role is to reduce off-axis aberrations. DX means a narrower field, and less need for fancy pants elements.
millsart wrote:
If you were a DX user and wanted macro, why not use the already very good 60mm or 105mm micro lens they have ? Those are both great glass and work on both DX as well as FX.
Surely the only justification is price. They are targeting the price sensitive low end of the market. This does make sense, since sales of low end cameras far exceed sales of the D300 and D700.
There is a tendency for forum users to whine, and yet what matters to Nikon is profit. Most people probably do not post in forums, except perhaps when about to buy new gear. So we are not representative.
Oct 15, 2009 at 02:48 AM
p.4 #5Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Sounds like a smart move for Nikon despite my only body being a D700. My wife who has a D40 will love having a cheaper alternative to get into macro. Most new photographers don't understand why this new DSLR that is relatively expansive compared to their point and shoot has a limitation that the cheap P&S did not.. Macro.
I didn't understand it at first, not being able to shove the lens 5 inches away from something and taking a shot. My wife still doesn't understand the logic and would love to get into macro.
I think a lot of good points have been made that FX users are a drop in the bucket for Nikon compared to how many potential long-term customers they can gain if they keep all of the entry level shooters happy. So this move makes perfect sense and I will probably be picking one of these lenses up for the wifey when they are available.
I am just happy they have improved the 70-200, just wish it was priced the same as the old one.
I didn't understand it at first, not being able to shove the lens 5 inches away from something and taking a shot. My wife still doesn't understand the logic and would love to get into macro.
I think a lot of good points have been made that FX users are a drop in the bucket for Nikon compared to how many potential long-term customers they can gain if they keep all of the entry level shooters happy. So this move makes perfect sense and I will probably be picking one of these lenses up for the wifey when they are available.
I am just happy they have improved the 70-200, just wish it was priced the same as the old one.
Oct 15, 2009 at 06:07 AM
p.4 #6Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Avi B wrote:
I also think this will be a out of the ballpark type lens. Watch it work well on FX to boot.
wont get 1:1 on fx, close focus is 286
I also think this will be a out of the ballpark type lens. Watch it work well on FX to boot.
wont get 1:1 on fx, close focus is 286
Oct 15, 2009 at 06:57 AM
p.4 #7Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Tim Ashton wrote:
Thom Hogan commented on the published MTF chart for this lens so I thought I would have a look
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/dx/af-s_dx_micro85mmf_35g_ed_vr/index.htm
I have never seen anything like it. A virtual horizintal straight line!!
should be good
Cheers
Tim
Holy Cow Poop! That is awsome.
No mention of it being compatible with TCs .... that would clinch it for me.
Thom Hogan commented on the published MTF chart for this lens so I thought I would have a look
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/dx/af-s_dx_micro85mmf_35g_ed_vr/index.htm
I have never seen anything like it. A virtual horizintal straight line!!
should be good
Cheers
Tim
Holy Cow Poop! That is awsome.
No mention of it being compatible with TCs .... that would clinch it for me.
Oct 15, 2009 at 08:47 AM
p.4 #8Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
louis fusco wrote:
wont get 1:1 on fx, close focus is 286
Sure it will. Crop factor does not change magnification factor, just FOV.
Avi B wrote
I also think this will be a out of the ballpark type lens. Watch it work well on FX to boot.Sure it will. Crop factor does not change magnification factor, just FOV.
Oct 15, 2009 at 08:47 AM
p.4 #9Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
90 5.0 wrote:
24 1.8, it's sigma but supposed to be good though.
http://www.adorama.com/SG2418NKAF.html?searchinfo=nikon+*24mm*
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SG2418NKAF.jpg
Nikon 28 1.4 does exist by the way noobs, they stopped making it because they didn't sell enough of them
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/28mmf14d_front.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/index2.htm
I hate to quote kr but hey he's right on this
The canon one is just as expensive
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&q=canon+24+1.4l&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14949849611967265388&ei=NDPWSqenHs_ZlAeE_sicCQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBIQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers
I think they stopped selling it because there was some Lead components in there.
24 1.8, it's sigma but supposed to be good though.
http://www.adorama.com/SG2418NKAF.html?searchinfo=nikon+*24mm*
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SG2418NKAF.jpg
Nikon 28 1.4 does exist by the way noobs, they stopped making it because they didn't sell enough of them
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/28mmf14d_front.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/index2.htm
I hate to quote kr but hey he's right on this
Earlier quote
You'll probably never see one of these. Because it was so expensive, no one bought them. Because no one bought them, Nikon stopped making them. Because Nikon stopped making them, photographers and collectors now want it, so the price, used, went up to over $2,000 in 2006. As of 2008, the used price has skyrocketed to over $4,000, which is really silly since any day now Nikon owes a new AF-S replacement. It also makes the 28mm f/1.4 more expensive than most 300mm f/2.8 lenses.http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&q=canon+24+1.4l&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14949849611967265388&ei=NDPWSqenHs_ZlAeE_sicCQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBIQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers
I think they stopped selling it because there was some Lead components in there.
Oct 15, 2009 at 09:21 AM
p.4 #10Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
MajinHurricane wrote:
i think nikon is thinking with their pocketbook for once and not what will better the consumer.
I will disagree. Nikon always thinks with their pocketbook, as they should. The nice thing about Nikon is that they also care about the photographer (in general). I think that this lens is a win-win lens for Nikon and the photographer.
I'm going to go to the Henry's photoshow this weekend. Will take an extra CF card along and will test this lens on a D3 at the Nikon booth.
i think nikon is thinking with their pocketbook for once and not what will better the consumer.
I will disagree. Nikon always thinks with their pocketbook, as they should. The nice thing about Nikon is that they also care about the photographer (in general). I think that this lens is a win-win lens for Nikon and the photographer.
I'm going to go to the Henry's photoshow this weekend. Will take an extra CF card along and will test this lens on a D3 at the Nikon booth.
Oct 15, 2009 at 09:22 AM
p.4 #11Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
LeifG wrote:
Surely the only justification is price. They are targeting the price sensitive low end of the market. This does make sense, since sales of low end cameras far exceed sales of the D300 and D700.
There is a tendency for forum users to whine, and yet what matters to Nikon is profit. Most people probably do not post in forums, except perhaps when about to buy new gear. So we are not representative.
If Nikon is all about pleasing mass-market, I get to question this as a guy from Canon land. Where is 17-40F/4, 24-105F/4IS, and 70-200F/4/IS competitors? Especially 17-40F/4 and 70-200F4 are great lenses with cheap pricetag compared to Nikon's couterparts.
Surely the only justification is price. They are targeting the price sensitive low end of the market. This does make sense, since sales of low end cameras far exceed sales of the D300 and D700.
There is a tendency for forum users to whine, and yet what matters to Nikon is profit. Most people probably do not post in forums, except perhaps when about to buy new gear. So we are not representative.
If Nikon is all about pleasing mass-market, I get to question this as a guy from Canon land. Where is 17-40F/4, 24-105F/4IS, and 70-200F/4/IS competitors? Especially 17-40F/4 and 70-200F4 are great lenses with cheap pricetag compared to Nikon's couterparts.
Oct 15, 2009 at 09:44 AM
p.4 #12Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Check out if it takes TCs. It's looking more and more like it does not.
Oct 15, 2009 at 09:44 AM
p.4 #13Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
It already does 1:1! Use tubes if you have to 
Okay well I'll ask to try it with TCs.
Okay well I'll ask to try it with TCs.
Oct 15, 2009 at 09:46 AM
p.4 #14Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Jim Levitt wrote:
http://www.adorama.com/SG2418NKAF.html?searchinfo=nikon+*24mm*
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SG2418NKAF.jpg
Nikon 28 1.4 does exist by the way noobs, they stopped making it because they didn't sell enough of them
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/28mmf14d_front.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/index2.htm
I hate to quote kr but hey he's right on this
The canon one is just as expensive
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&q=canon+24+1.4l&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14949849611967265388&ei=NDPWSqenHs_ZlAeE_sicCQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBIQ8wIwAw#ps-sellersYou can find the Mark I version of the Canon 24/1.4 for under $1000, and it's a fine lens. The 28/1.8 is not as good, but can be had used for around $300. Or you can buy those lenses brand new. On the Nikon side, the 28/1.4 is not longer made; its used-market price is frankly insane. Why should Nikon users have to buy Sigma lenses in the 24 to 30mm range? This is not some esoteric focal range. There's a real need for a fast wide prime.
Like i said before, if they had been a good selling item i doubt they would have stopped making them. And had it been a hot seller there would be a viable used market. The used market is crazy because frankly they didn't make a lot of them because no one bought them, hence it's rarity.
90 5.0 wrote
24 1.8, it's sigma but supposed to be good though.http://www.adorama.com/SG2418NKAF.html?searchinfo=nikon+*24mm*
http://www.adorama.com/images/large/SG2418NKAF.jpg
Nikon 28 1.4 does exist by the way noobs, they stopped making it because they didn't sell enough of them
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/28mmf14d_front.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor_28mm/index2.htm
I hate to quote kr but hey he's right on this
Earlier quote
You'll probably never see one of these. Because it was so expensive, no one bought them. Because no one bought them, Nikon stopped making them. Because Nikon stopped making them, photographers and collectors now want it, so the price, used, went up to over $2,000 in 2006. As of 2008, the used price has skyrocketed to over $4,000, which is really silly since any day now Nikon owes a new AF-S replacement. It also makes the 28mm f/1.4 more expensive than most 300mm f/2.8 lenses.http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&q=canon+24+1.4l&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14949849611967265388&ei=NDPWSqenHs_ZlAeE_sicCQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBIQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers
Like i said before, if they had been a good selling item i doubt they would have stopped making them. And had it been a hot seller there would be a viable used market. The used market is crazy because frankly they didn't make a lot of them because no one bought them, hence it's rarity.
Oct 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM
p.4 #15Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
From what Thom Hogan has been saying recently, he still feels a new 24mm prime is soon to be released, along with an 85mm f1.4 AF-S VR. Possibly due to production limitations at this point, but he feels the announcements may have just been delayed a little.
Oct 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM
p.4 #16Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Avi B wrote:
It already does 1:1! Use tubes if you have to
Okay well I'll ask to try it with TCs.
It's not the more mag that I'm after, it's the greater working distance!
It already does 1:1! Use tubes if you have to
Okay well I'll ask to try it with TCs.
It's not the more mag that I'm after, it's the greater working distance!
Oct 15, 2009 at 01:27 PM
p.4 #17Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Tim Ashton wrote:
Thom Hogan commented on the published MTF chart for this lens so I thought I would have a look
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/dx/af-s_dx_micro85mmf_35g_ed_vr/index.htm
I have never seen anything like it. A virtual horizintal straight line!!
should be good
Cheers
Tim
Hey Tim,
I already told everyone that. At least Thom Hogan reads my blog! 
Thom Hogan commented on the published MTF chart for this lens so I thought I would have a look
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/af/dx/af-s_dx_micro85mmf_35g_ed_vr/index.htm
I have never seen anything like it. A virtual horizintal straight line!!
should be good
Cheers
Tim
Hey Tim,
I already told everyone that.
At least Thom Hogan reads my blog! Oct 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM
p.4 #18Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Does not interest me. I don't want a bunch of DX lenses when I can have FX lenses instead. 3.5? No way. I want at least 2.8. The 55mm F2.8 AIS Micro Nikkor I am using is fine for closeups on my current D300 bodies.
Oct 16, 2009 at 06:35 AM
p.4 #19Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Has anyone seen a review yet? I know sometimes they give new lenses out to selected pro photogs early and the reviews come out at release.
Oct 17, 2009 at 06:18 AM
p.4 #20Nikon 85mm 3.5 VR AF-S
Andre Labonte wrote:
Has anyone seen a review yet? I know sometimes they give new lenses out to selected pro photogs early and the reviews come out at release.Well, of course DX is such past history that none of the pros use it anymore. They probably tried to find someone to try it out but everyone turned their nose up at it.
Has anyone seen a review yet? I know sometimes they give new lenses out to selected pro photogs early and the reviews come out at release.Well, of course DX is such past history that none of the pros use it anymore. They probably tried to find someone to try it out but everyone turned their nose up at it.
Oct 17, 2009 at 06:50 AM