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Archive 2009 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire

  
 
chefboyarlee
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p.1 #1 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Okay, I had considered hotrodding my D700, by removing the AA filter. I have read that moire would then be an issue under certain instances. Then I read that leica doesn't have an AA filter to get the best resolution out of their lenses and use a programming to remove it.

So is there a program that would do the same if I do choose to have the AA filter removed by MaxMax.



Sep 23, 2009 at 01:49 PM
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p.1 #2 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


The Capture One Pro software has a built in moire removal tool. There are other software options available. Very very carefully consider the implications of what you're doing before moving forward. The benefits are small for the added work and cost. Perhaps you'd be best served to wait 6 months and see if a 24mp version of the D700 is released.


Sep 23, 2009 at 02:07 PM
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p.1 #3 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


bad idea to remove the AA filter.

Your focus will be way off. The focus on your AF mirrors are set to focus on the specific point of that sensor, removing the AA filter will throw it off by 1.5mm, that's like a mile in critical focus. Trust me on this. I've done this on IR conversions, every single time, it's way off.

Also, your colors will be way-magenta. you will also have infared+actual color, full spectrum sensitivity. This means your exposure will also be off by 2-3 stops, minus compensation. And moire, well, you know that part.

It's not worth it.



Sep 23, 2009 at 02:08 PM
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p.1 #4 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Come on Ivan, if he has money to blow, let him!



Sep 23, 2009 at 02:11 PM
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p.1 #5 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


ok, this is a D1 (first gen nikon digital) without the AA filter:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/106/267256950_9dc9783008_b.jpg

the shirt is black, so is the turtleneck. The image had way more magenta in it, this is a WB setting around 3000K, which is crazy considering it's daylight...

like jimmy said, consider the implications of this... if you have 2K to burn, be my guest



Sep 23, 2009 at 02:12 PM
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p.1 #6 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


IR contamination shouldn't be a problem with a Maxmax conversion, neither should focus. They remove the moire filter sandwich and replace it with a unit that only has the IR cut filter. It's not as simple as just ripping the front of the sensor off an leaving it like that.

Having said that... yeah I still wouldn't do it You've got 12 fabulous megapixels to work with... love them like they are.



Sep 23, 2009 at 02:30 PM
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p.1 #7 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Oh right, maxmax installs a weaker aa filter. The D1, D1x/h, d100 had pretty weak aa filters, I remember having issues with moire even as recently as d200's... I thought the OP was removing the filter entirely and leaving it off... Either way, gosh it's a d700


Sep 23, 2009 at 03:06 PM
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p.1 #8 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


All right then. Glad I held off. Thanks for all the great info guys.


Sep 23, 2009 at 03:43 PM
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p.1 #9 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Just pickup a used Kodak SLR/n. You will have some different issues but it is 14MPs and has no AA filter and you don't have to worry about your D700. It might be less than the price of the hotrod and you could sell it if you decide you don't care for it anymore. I'm not sure what you would do if you didn't want the hotrod conversion any more.

Darren



Sep 23, 2009 at 04:49 PM
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p.1 #10 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


bellyface wrote:
Oh right, maxmax installs a weaker aa filter. The D1, D1x/h, d100 had pretty weak aa filters, I remember having issues with moire even as recently as d200's... I thought the OP was removing the filter entirely and leaving it off... Either way, gosh it's a d700


I think the idea is that the replacement glass is only an IR filter, and has no AA capacity.



Sep 23, 2009 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #11 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


HeaVy wrote:
Just pickup a used Kodak SLR/n. You will have some different issues but it is 14MPs and has no AA filter and you don't have to worry about your D700. It might be less than the price of the hotrod and you could sell it if you decide you don't care for it anymore. I'm not sure what you would do if you didn't want the hotrod conversion any more.

Darren


Of course, you just might like the sharpness and amazing color accuracy. (though I do keep a couple of hot mirror filters for IR rich images that tend to get odd looking.) I'd be lost without my SLR/n now that I've spent some time with it and wrapped my head around the Kodak Software.

erie



Sep 23, 2009 at 10:52 PM
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p.1 #12 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


I had a D300 HR'd, and it worked perfectly! Focus was spot on, colors were perfect, it was awesome. I didn't have to do any post processing to correct anything. Shouldn't have sold it but will not hesitate to do it again. I'm contemplating sending maxmax my D3 to have it done.


Sep 24, 2009 at 10:39 AM
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p.1 #13 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Heidi wrote:
I had a D300 HR'd, and it worked perfectly! Focus was spot on, colors were perfect, it was awesome. I didn't have to do any post processing to correct anything. Shouldn't have sold it but will not hesitate to do it again. I'm contemplating sending maxmax my D3 to have it done.



Have to ask, how much to have the d3 hot rod'd?



Sep 24, 2009 at 06:40 PM
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p.1 #14 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Sooo I just took a picture yesterday for our staff at work and low and behold, my D1X showed crazy ass Moire on my shirt like crazy. Thats WITH the AA filter in place and everything like it should. Figures I would see it for the first time after reading this thread yesterday.


Sep 25, 2009 at 07:12 AM
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p.1 #15 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


bellyface wrote:
bad idea to remove the AA filter.

Your focus will be way off. The focus on your AF mirrors are set to focus on the specific point of that sensor, removing the AA filter will throw it off by 1.5mm, that's like a mile in critical focus. Trust me on this. I've done this on IR conversions, every single time, it's way off.

Also, your colors will be way-magenta. you will also have infared+actual color, full spectrum sensitivity. This means your exposure will also be off by 2-3 stops, minus compensation. And moire, well, you know that part.

It's not worth it.


I thought the idea is that you remove the AA filter and buy some other bit of glass to put in so that as far as the AF is concerned nothing changed, the glass also cuts out the UV/IR and you basically have everything you had minus the anti-aliasing function...?



Sep 25, 2009 at 07:28 AM
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p.1 #16 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


I'd be happy to take some sample shots if anyone here would like to see them.
Just let me know what you'd like in the shot and the in-camera settings you'd like.

I will be working late tonight, but can take the shots tomorrow (Saturday).
Lisa



Sep 25, 2009 at 07:56 AM
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p.1 #17 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Zach, yep the D1x produced some crazy moire. Even on ir, always had issues with the old D's. Especially on fabric with funky patterns.


Sep 25, 2009 at 08:16 AM
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p.1 #18 · Hotrod D700 and Leica M8 Moire


Lisa, def more pics...I didn't know you had one done! geez, be a showoff! hahaha

Ivan, I can't believe I never saw the X show off this issue until now. I clearly don't use it enough haha



Sep 25, 2009 at 03:44 PM





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