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p.4 #1 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Richard, that's gotta be the 28, unless you have a really good sample of the 21.


Sep 23, 2009 at 06:18 PM
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p.4 #2 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Judging by the bokeh that's wide open.

Pretty much matches my experience of the lens.

Something else I've noticed about it is that performance is very even going from far to near focus. I think Balance is one of the things that really defines zuikos, though as you say, they arent perfect.




Sep 23, 2009 at 06:25 PM
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p.4 #3 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Empire wrote:
By design many Zuiko lenses are best at f11 and are extremely diffraction resistant at f16. My zuikos are the only lenses that I will use at f16 - something which I find very handy for landscape.


How can a lens be extremely diffraction resistant? Diffraction is a function of aperture.

Sounds like a great lens. My kind of lens. If I ever pick up an OM-1, I'll look for the 28/3.5.



Sep 23, 2009 at 06:53 PM
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p.4 #4 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Do it. For $100 and good luck you can find OM-1 + Zuikos 28/3.5 and 50/1.8.


Sep 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM
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p.4 #5 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


I'll keep an eye out for one. Not that I need another camera


Sep 23, 2009 at 10:13 PM
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p.4 #6 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


This thread has more crops than a farmer's market.


Sep 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM
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p.4 #7 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


TWoK wrote:
This thread has more crops than a farmer's market.


And we know you LOVE crops Nate!!



Sep 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM
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p.4 #8 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


cogitech wrote:
Close-up, wide open:
http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Zuiko_28/ang.jpg

100%:
http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Zuiko_28/angcrop.jpg


This one always amazes me, you must have super-human focussing skills to get such spot on focus on a wide open 28mm lens.



Sep 25, 2009 at 03:57 AM
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p.4 #9 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Anden wrote:
That is a great photo John!


cogitech wrote:
I agree. Beautiful shot, John.



alexandre wrote:
OMFG, beautiful.


Thanks Guys.
Yuo would not believe how many flashlights went off in the eye during this exposure. I had a lot of cloning to do to remove them



Sep 25, 2009 at 04:00 AM
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p.4 #10 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


johnahill wrote:
This one always amazes me, you must have super-human focussing skills to get such spot on focus on a wide open 28mm lens.


John, I think my focusing skills only appear super-human relative to the lack of focusing skills present in the majority of the population. This skill has become latent in that majority due to reliance on AF systems and the progressive degradation of the manual focusing systems in modern cameras (including viewfinders, focusing screens and focus rings). The fear is that eventually the human masses will mutate completely and lose this latent skill, becoming absolutely reliant on technological "gizmos". These gizmos will eventually be developed into "wearables" and then, ultimately, surgically implanted cybernetic interfaces. A few specimens will reject this entire process and avoid mutation by maintaining practice of the skill. This "relic" in their genetic code may then be cause to refer to those few specimens as "super-human", but the tendency would be for the ignorant masses to consider them "sub-human".

My copy of the Zuiko 28/3.5 is so contrasty that it is dead simple to focus like that.



Sep 25, 2009 at 06:51 AM
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p.4 #11 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


ee-s sure helps too


Sep 25, 2009 at 06:59 AM
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p.4 #12 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


johnahill wrote:
ee-s sure helps too


Indeed. A prerequisite, in my opinion.



Sep 25, 2009 at 07:47 AM
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p.4 #13 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


east wrote:
hello all,

me too tried to use zuiko lenses on a digital camera, or to use them with a film camera and was nothing but....severly disappointed. read too much positive reviews about he on the net.

a few words to my background: i have two degrees in photo design, used to work with nikon's film bodies in the 1990ies all over the world, then I have switched to canon digital and nowadays I am barely phtographing and run a small photo agency instead. so some experience is there, I guess.

in a word: all zuiko are clearly worse than the nikkors I
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I see you got a warm welcome to this forum. I wonder if you, however, are commenting on the 28mm f/3.5 lens or the 35mm f/2.8 lens for two reasons. First, you describe the lens as a 3,5/35mm and you do so twice in the quote, which seems like an odd typo to make twice. Second, you describe having a 28mm f/2 lens as well which makes me wonder why you would have both a 28mm f/2 and a 28mm f/3.5 and then skip to a 50mm. I have not noticed problems with either sharpness or distortion with my 28mm f/3.5 Zuiko. Further the claim that all Zuikos have problems with distortion compared to other lenses just doesn't seem to be born out in the testing that I have seen. For example, in testing 35mm lens slrlensreview finds that the 35mm f/2.8 to have less distortion than the excellent modern Zeiss ZF 35mm f/2. Here is a link to their findings: http://www.slrlensreview.com/web/benchmarks-resources-131/121-35mm-challenge/490-35mm-challenge-part-4.html

The Zuikos are not great in distortion here but they aren't worse than the Zeiss ZF for the Canon 35L. Similarly in comparing sharpness of 50mm lenses slrlensreview finds pretty similar performance between the Oly 50mm f/1.4 and the Nikon 50mm f/1.4 and in their tests with just one sample of each it is the Nikon and not the Oly that lags in border performance. Here is a link to that test: http://www.slrlensreview.com/web/benchmarks-resources-131/98-50mm-challenge/384-50mm-challenge-canon-vs-nikon-vs-cz-jena-vs-olympus-part-3.html

What should we make of these tests? Well they all are with just one sample and they don't show very many pictures (if you go to the actual reviews on the site rather than the comparisons they do show some pictures at least), but for me it is far more information that you have provided. You have expressed your views, which I appreciate, but you have only used one sample of each lens and you haven't shown us any pictures, and you haven't tried to make systematic tests. For me it clear that you have a lot more experience than I do and I appreciate your impression, but there are a lot of other people around here who have more experience, have used more samples of the lenses in question, have more carefully compared the lenses, and have shown both their comparisons and the quality of their work. Their conclusions don't seem to match yours. That is why people are probably pretty skeptical about what you have said. I hope this helps you understand people's reactions and maybe gives you some food for thought as you think about how to present your views here. Things may have gotten off on the wrong foot, but I think you may like checking things out here if you give it a longer try.

Best wishes,

Steve



Sep 25, 2009 at 08:09 AM
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p.4 #14 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Steve: thanks for your nice post! you made some valid points - thank you - but my bet is, some of these guys cannot properly read and comprehend. but then again, I am not a native speaker.

you are right, i should go back and correct all my typos - i always refer to a 3,5/28mm zuiko (obviously, there never was any 3,5/35mm zuiko), sorry for that. and yes, i have both 3,5/28mm and 2,0/28mm, acquired in that order.

I cant help but it seems to me, you are expressing same opinions as mine, but may be put in other words.

I never write about zeiss lens, nor I especially concentrate on canon lens. I say, my zuikos have generally more distorsion than the nikkors I used then, 10-15 years ago. Canon lenses btw. are also distorsion prone in my opinion, so may be the difference between the two (canon and zuiko) is not that big indeed. But coming form nikon, it is, at least concerning the lenses i have used.

I say, my zuikos are weaker at borders than my nikkors were, may be with the exeption to the normal lens, you are citing a test claiming just that.

The point on sample variaton is always valid, but I sincerely doubt that I am the only person in the world, that has got only dogs among his olympus lenses. I see weak borders, distorsion and CA in every zuiko picture I take. I see this and I wonder, but this doesn't stop me from using the stuff. And I see more of it than I was used to see in my Nikon era.

One more point: I primarly speak about my impressions of using two different lens *systems*, after i came back to use film again after a nearly 10 years' break. Think some people here are just not able to get it.

But who cares :-)

Oh, showing pictures: first I have none at hand right now (am travelling now), second how many pictures can I show? 2, 3, 8 even? this is too little, as opposite to an experience of actually using a lens over a longer period of time under various conditions. and thats what I am writing about.

i find this internet attitude "hey, this lens is better than that one, here the ultimative proof, look at my picture of the brick wall" very often misleading and not that informative at all. I bought quite a few lenses because of such tests, that turned out to be crap. now I prefer to talk to somebody who I trust. but thats just me.

Ok, so lets say it once again: zuiko lenses, on average, are still nice, because small, light and cheap, but there were much better lens (systems) out there. I even think, of the all major lens makers, olympus was probably the weakest one. at least this is *my* impression after spending some time with nikon, canon and - pentax.

have a nice day :-)











Sep 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM
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p.4 #15 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


east,

Much better stated but, ultimately, still completely unrelated to the point of this thread.

I apologize for my "unwarm" welcome. Please realize that it was a reaction to the fact that you have chosen this particular thread to voice your dissatisfaction with the entire Zuiko System. I would think it obvious that the point of this thread is to post photos taken with the Zuiko 28/3.5 and talk about why you love it. To take the opportunity to do the opposite is just out of line.

I cannot speak of the entire Zuiko System, because I have only owned and used about 6 or 7 of the lenses. What I can say is that I have used various lenses from too many manufacturers to list here, and I have found both gems and duds in each system.

The only Zuiko I continue to own and use is the 28/3.5 (I do own one other Zuiko, but I do not use it, as it is a prototype which is currently in limbo, being restored). All the others I tried were eclipsed by better lenses from different systems. On this point I can agree with you.

With respect to the 28/3.5, the subject of this thread, I cannot agree. It is an excellent lens in my experience and that is echoed by many others.

Peace.

Edited on Sep 25, 2009 at 10:38 AM · View previous versions



Sep 25, 2009 at 10:30 AM
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p.4 #16 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


ok - yes may be thread was wrongly chosen indeed. but then again, we are not in the army here, arent we. i thought i will put my 2c in, when they are talking about zuikos

never mind



Sep 25, 2009 at 10:38 AM
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p.4 #17 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


The 3.5 is a sweet little lens. Plenty sharp, with very low CA and flare. I must admit I don't shoot much lightning at f3.5; F4-5.6 is more typical. At these apertures, the thing is brilliant. Given that it cost me all of $14, I think it's the best lens on the planet!




Edited on Nov 18, 2009 at 03:58 PM · View previous versions



Nov 18, 2009 at 03:42 PM
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p.4 #18 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Nice!


Nov 18, 2009 at 03:57 PM
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p.4 #19 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


Glad I reviewed this thread ... I may have to give my newly acquired 28 3.5 (part of a collection) a little more due than I have to this point.

Would anybody care to comment on its strengths & weakness vs. the C/Y 28mm 2.8 ?? (Objective, not bashing please )



Nov 18, 2009 at 04:18 PM
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p.4 #20 · Zuiko 28/3.5 Love Thread


I compared my Zuiko 28/3.5 to two copies of the C/Y 28/2.8 and found the Zuiko to be much more consistent across the frame. Neither of the Distagons matched the Zuiko in the corners (although one was much better than the other). I also preferred both the colour and contrast of the Zuiko (but that's subjective). The Zuiko is smaller and lighter as well, of course, and I love the fact that I can use the Zuiko as a "preset" lens, by using the DOF preview button to stop down to the pre-selected aperture, just before releasing the shutter (this requires removing the stop-down pin from the OM-EOS adapter).


Nov 18, 2009 at 04:24 PM
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