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Archive 2009The APO thread
p.4 #1The APO thread
The "micro-contrast" and resolution, even wide open, of the CV doesn't leave me wanting for more, either.
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3893174938_f23bd74c31_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3893174938_f23bd74c31_o.jpg
Sep 06, 2009 at 08:56 AM
p.4 #2The APO thread
But enough of that, eh?
Let's have more APO shots!
Here's one from my FD 300 f4 L, which I believe to be nearly APO (Canon never uses the term, AFAIK):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3450880143_0d1b83d6d6_o.jpg
I'll do some "classic" tests of it today.
Let's have more APO shots!
Here's one from my FD 300 f4 L, which I believe to be nearly APO (Canon never uses the term, AFAIK):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3450880143_0d1b83d6d6_o.jpg
I'll do some "classic" tests of it today.
Sep 06, 2009 at 09:02 AM
p.4 #3The APO thread
Here's the "classic" LoCA test of the FD 300 f4 L, wide open on 5D, full sunlight.
As you can see, it is not quite as good as the Voigtlander, but still incredibly strong, especially for a lens of this length.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2653/3893391520_bd424c5cb8_o.jpg
100%:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3893392004_cf53571735_o.jpg
A tiny bit red in the front, and even less green in the back. I've seen worse.
As you can see, it is not quite as good as the Voigtlander, but still incredibly strong, especially for a lens of this length.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2653/3893391520_bd424c5cb8_o.jpg
100%:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3893392004_cf53571735_o.jpg
A tiny bit red in the front, and even less green in the back. I've seen worse.
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:06 AM
p.4 #4The APO thread
And here's a more "real world" test of CA on the FD 300 f4L (on 5D, as usual):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3458/3892681499_b851b6dc4d_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3893469674_9e70e2d04f_o.jpg
I should explicitly state that absolutely no CA correction has been applied to any of my samples in this thread.
To be embarrassingly honest, I don't even know how to correct CA. I guess that's why I try to find lenses that don't have any
Edited on Sep 06, 2009 at 11:05 AM · View previous versions
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3458/3892681499_b851b6dc4d_o.jpg
100% crop:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3893469674_9e70e2d04f_o.jpg
I should explicitly state that absolutely no CA correction has been applied to any of my samples in this thread.
To be embarrassingly honest, I don't even know how to correct CA. I guess that's why I try to find lenses that don't have any
Edited on Sep 06, 2009 at 11:05 AM · View previous versions
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:56 AM
p.4 #5The APO thread
I think some of the big benefits of (near) APO (whether it is named so or not) are excellent colour and superior resolution. If all the colours are focusing on the same plane, it only makes sense for them to be sharp and accurate:
FD 300 f4 L on 5D, wide open (all my shots from this lens are wide open, as I have no aperture control. Still very useful though )
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2582/3893466458_523c37ae1c_o.jpg
100%:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/3892679537_52c0769f21_o.jpg
FD 300 f4 L on 5D, wide open (all my shots from this lens are wide open, as I have no aperture control. Still very useful though
)http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2582/3893466458_523c37ae1c_o.jpg
100%:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/3892679537_52c0769f21_o.jpg
Sep 06, 2009 at 10:59 AM
p.4 #6The APO thread
And several more from the FD 300 f4 L (all of these, and the ones above are just quick grabs from my morning walk):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3893464628_a12f5d70d6_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3893464040_753b54a3ee_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3892677787_2cae5351b7_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/3892678491_c08f4e2959_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3892680229_a954e27c1f_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2523/3893468290_32bda3fbd6_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3893464628_a12f5d70d6_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3893464040_753b54a3ee_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3892677787_2cae5351b7_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/3892678491_c08f4e2959_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3892680229_a954e27c1f_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2523/3893468290_32bda3fbd6_o.jpg
Sep 06, 2009 at 11:03 AM
p.4 #7The APO thread
I own the CV 125mm APO and I have had a chance to try the CZ 100mm f2.8 and the Contax N 100mm converted. To me the CV 125mm was the clear winner and is worth the premium that it draws on the market today.
The only one I haven't tried is the Leica 100mm APO, that might actually give the CV 125mm APO a run for it's money based on shots I have seen here on the web.
The only one I haven't tried is the Leica 100mm APO, that might actually give the CV 125mm APO a run for it's money based on shots I have seen here on the web.
Sep 06, 2009 at 12:06 PM
p.4 #8The APO thread
Ok, I found Burningheart's macro lens comparison shots posting in the admirable blur thread here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/60#7214464
IMO that the Leica 100 APO is the king of macro
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/60#7214464
IMO that the Leica 100 APO is the king of macro
Sep 06, 2009 at 12:43 PM
p.4 #9The APO thread
Thanks for sharing that Wayne! I think the CV draws better to my eye, but the Leica and Zeiss come close. I found the Zeiss non-APO behaviour a bit disappointing, but actually it isn't far behind the two APO ones, and is better than most (if not all) the other non-APO ones in the league.
A bit of an aside - how does the 90/2 AA go as an occasional macro lens paired with the Elpro 3? How high a magnification can you get while retaining still great IQ?
cheers, dave
A bit of an aside - how does the 90/2 AA go as an occasional macro lens paired with the Elpro 3? How high a magnification can you get while retaining still great IQ?
cheers, dave
Sep 06, 2009 at 03:34 PM
p.4 #10The APO thread
Here is the one from Mamiya 120/4 Macro. Std setting on 30D. No sharpening applied. 1:1 ratio at wide open.
It's the sharpest 1:1 macro lens I've ever seen. It's amazing to see a medium format lens having the resolving power better than 135 format.
http://www.pbase.com/phuang3/image/116954430/original.jpg
100% crop
http://www.pbase.com/phuang3/image/116954407/original.jpg
It's the sharpest 1:1 macro lens I've ever seen. It's amazing to see a medium format lens having the resolving power better than 135 format.
http://www.pbase.com/phuang3/image/116954430/original.jpg
100% crop
http://www.pbase.com/phuang3/image/116954407/original.jpg
Sep 06, 2009 at 07:34 PM
p.4 #11The APO thread
Any more samples from the Mamiya? I read some good opinions about the macro, 200mm and the 300 f2.8 APO, but few samples
Sep 06, 2009 at 08:47 PM
p.4 #12The APO thread
More SigmAPO action... 
(Wide open)
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/fat_mat_labatt/Archive/_MAT6067.jpg
(Wide open)http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/fat_mat_labatt/Archive/_MAT6067.jpg
Sep 06, 2009 at 08:53 PM
p.4 #13The APO thread
APO-Rodagon N 80/4 (enlarging lens). On a 1dsMk2 with a Sinar F in between.
At F8. Sharpened slightly due to resizing to smaller image. No color tweeks from RAW conversion. Colour was already quite vibrant and saturated.
http://www.johnjovic.com/temp/80_4_8_1000.jpg
100% crop, no sharpening or even color tweeks from RAW conversion.
http://www.johnjovic.com/temp/100.jpg
The APO-Rodagon N 80/4 lens as fitted to the Sinar (not shot with an APO)
http://www.johnjovic.com/temp/80_4.jpg
JJ
At F8. Sharpened slightly due to resizing to smaller image. No color tweeks from RAW conversion. Colour was already quite vibrant and saturated.
http://www.johnjovic.com/temp/80_4_8_1000.jpg
100% crop, no sharpening or even color tweeks from RAW conversion.
http://www.johnjovic.com/temp/100.jpg
The APO-Rodagon N 80/4 lens as fitted to the Sinar (not shot with an APO)
http://www.johnjovic.com/temp/80_4.jpg
JJ
Sep 07, 2009 at 01:06 AM
p.4 #14The APO thread
Keep up the posting. Very interesting thread guys!
I just realized I have two more APO lenses. The Rodenstock 150/9 and 240/9... I had forgot about them until now....
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I just realized I have two more APO lenses. The Rodenstock 150/9 and 240/9... I had forgot about them until now....
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Sep 07, 2009 at 02:01 AM
p.4 #16The APO thread
It has been a pleasure to see all these APO images!
Now, why isn't there a good APO 50mm lens? Seeing images with no longitudinal CA is like goodies to the eyes.
Now, why isn't there a good APO 50mm lens? Seeing images with no longitudinal CA is like goodies to the eyes.
Sep 08, 2009 at 08:30 AM
p.4 #17The APO thread
Jonas B wrote:
It has been a pleasure to see all these APO images!
Now, why isn't there a good APO 50mm lens? Seeing images with no longitudinal CA is like goodies to the eyes.
The Leica 50mm Summilux asph is based on the 75mm APO-Summicron and has similar glass types and apo-like performance. Leica just thought it silly to designate it as such. Some enlarging lenses in the 50mm range are designated APO.
My 50mm Summilux-R has very little loCA but still a little.
It has been a pleasure to see all these APO images!
Now, why isn't there a good APO 50mm lens? Seeing images with no longitudinal CA is like goodies to the eyes.
The Leica 50mm Summilux asph is based on the 75mm APO-Summicron and has similar glass types and apo-like performance. Leica just thought it silly to designate it as such. Some enlarging lenses in the 50mm range are designated APO.
My 50mm Summilux-R has very little loCA but still a little.
Sep 08, 2009 at 08:38 AM
p.4 #18The APO thread
thrice wrote:
The Leica 50mm Summilux asph is based on the 75mm APO-Summicron and has similar glass types and apo-like performance. Leica just thought it silly to designate it as such. Some enlarging lenses in the 50mm range are designated APO.
why would it be silly?
all the more, i think many more people would be willing and rushing to get it; its all about branding man.
The Leica 50mm Summilux asph is based on the 75mm APO-Summicron and has similar glass types and apo-like performance. Leica just thought it silly to designate it as such. Some enlarging lenses in the 50mm range are designated APO.
why would it be silly?
all the more, i think many more people would be willing and rushing to get it; its all about branding man.
Sep 08, 2009 at 08:45 AM
p.4 #19The APO thread
thrice wrote:
Now, why isn't there a good APO 50mm lens? Seeing images with no longitudinal CA is like goodies to the eyes.The Leica 50mm Summilux asph is based on the 75mm APO-Summicron and has similar glass types and apo-like performance. Leica just thought it silly to designate it as such. Some enlarging lenses in the 50mm range are designated APO.
My 50mm Summilux-R has very little loCA but still a little.
The Summilux ASPH is an M lens, right?
Your 50Lux... reminds me about a post in the "Admirable..." thread - I asked you what version it is. Now I guess it is the E60. (Perhaps I shouldn't have sold mine.).
Jonas B wrote
It has been a pleasure to see all these APO images!Now, why isn't there a good APO 50mm lens? Seeing images with no longitudinal CA is like goodies to the eyes.
My 50mm Summilux-R has very little loCA but still a little.
The Summilux ASPH is an M lens, right?
Your 50Lux... reminds me about a post in the "Admirable..." thread - I asked you what version it is. Now I guess it is the E60. (Perhaps I shouldn't have sold mine.).
Sep 08, 2009 at 10:03 AM
p.4 #20The APO thread
Jonas, there is the Costal Optics 60mm f/4 macro that is an APO lens. I believe burningheart has one. I also believe it is not only APO in the visible spectrum but IR and maybe even ultraviolet as well. It looks like a truly remarkable and unusual lens, however, and it costs to match the unusual specs.
Sep 08, 2009 at 10:44 AM