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p.89 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
here's a post I showing high iso sports capabilities:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/819058
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/819058
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:08 PM
p.89 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
mfurman wrote:
The viewfinder is far and away the best Canon has ever put into a small-format SLR I think.I actually think that the viewfinder of 7D is at least as good as the one of 5D mkII, if not better. I checked the camera that was preordered for me. I did not buy it after all (mostly because I am leaving for a three week trip to Europe this week but also because I am still contemplating getting another camera).
According to MR from Luminous Landscape
"The viewfinder is relatively large and bright for an APS-C sensor equipped camera. Not as big and bright as a full frame camera – how could it be – but pretty good, and with 100% coverage and a 1:1 magnification not too many people are going to be complaining"
I believe MR is right on this count - while the VF is a step up from 50D, I would not expect it run circles around the 5DII
Earlier quote
garyvot:The viewfinder is far and away the best Canon has ever put into a small-format SLR I think.
According to MR from Luminous Landscape
"The viewfinder is relatively large and bright for an APS-C sensor equipped camera. Not as big and bright as a full frame camera – how could it be – but pretty good, and with 100% coverage and a 1:1 magnification not too many people are going to be complaining"
I believe MR is right on this count - while the VF is a step up from 50D, I would not expect it run circles around the 5DII
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:15 PM
p.89 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Clovermead wrote:
Digitalbug, I don't have quite what you are looking for but I did take a just-for-kicks photo of Totoro staring into the glowing lcd of my laptop. What can I say, I'm a geek girl lol. This was a 20 second exposure, RAW converted in DPP to jpg, ISO 400, SOOC with no sharpening or NR added. 7D and 35 f2. @f9. The only light in the room was from the comptuer's lcd and the candle.
Oh ho! Totoro, a gaming mouse, and a 7D early adopter? Triple threat!
Digitalbug, I don't have quite what you are looking for but I did take a just-for-kicks photo of Totoro staring into the glowing lcd of my laptop. What can I say, I'm a geek girl lol. This was a 20 second exposure, RAW converted in DPP to jpg, ISO 400, SOOC with no sharpening or NR added. 7D and 35 f2. @f9. The only light in the room was from the comptuer's lcd and the candle.
Oh ho! Totoro, a gaming mouse, and a 7D early adopter? Triple threat!
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:18 PM
p.89 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
mfurman wrote:
I actually think that the viewfinder of 7D is at least as good as the one of 5D mkII, if not better...
Yeah, I was actually going to say that, but then thought nobody would believe me.
Okay, a few more observations, and a picture.
5) The shutter/mirror noise is *very* quiet and smooth sounding, not "clackety" or "thunky" as in some other Canon models... nice. The feel is also very responsive.
6) AF is miscalibrated on my sample--it needs a +7 MA global correction to focus with the lenses I've tried so far. I have not yet decided whether to return the camera or send it to CPS.
7) Image color and tone seems really lovely, closer to (if not a match for) the 5D Mark II, and--in less than ideal lighting at least--much better than the 50D which struggles with color and hue accuracy under very warm tungsten light. I definitely need to see more images, but I am thinking this camera may bridge at least part of the IQ gap between Canon's APS-C and full frame sensors.
8) Noise is definitely lower than the 50D, but in looking closely at the pixels, they seem to be a bit softened, as if Canon is cooking the bits a little, perhaps like Nikon does. However, it is nowhere near the destructive processing seen in the D5000.
9) At 100% RAW images look a bit overprocessed in DPP with High ISO Noise Reduction set to 'Standard'. However, 'Low' looks pretty good: the noise, particularly chroma noise, is visibly reduced yet the image still retains some structure. At 100% you can see some very modest processing artifacts at the default sharpening settings, but none that would be visible in a print, at least up to ISO 1600. Running it through Neat Image (using conservative settings) seems to gain very little.
For your perusal, here's a quick "real world" shot with shadows in very warm household incandescent lighting (always a tough test for noise), handleld wide open with the EF 35mm f/2.0, ISO 1600, auto white balance, default sharpening (3):
http://www.vothphoto.com/files/personal/fm/7D/7D-ISO-1600-1.jpg
Here is the shot at 100%. Top: DPP NR at 'Low'; Bottom: No NR:
http://www.vothphoto.com/files/personal/fm/7D/7D-ISO-1600-2.jpg
Edited on Sep 29, 2009 at 08:33 PM · View previous versions
I actually think that the viewfinder of 7D is at least as good as the one of 5D mkII, if not better...
Yeah, I was actually going to say that, but then thought nobody would believe me.
Okay, a few more observations, and a picture.
5) The shutter/mirror noise is *very* quiet and smooth sounding, not "clackety" or "thunky" as in some other Canon models... nice. The feel is also very responsive.
6) AF is miscalibrated on my sample--it needs a +7 MA global correction to focus with the lenses I've tried so far. I have not yet decided whether to return the camera or send it to CPS.
7) Image color and tone seems really lovely, closer to (if not a match for) the 5D Mark II, and--in less than ideal lighting at least--much better than the 50D which struggles with color and hue accuracy under very warm tungsten light. I definitely need to see more images, but I am thinking this camera may bridge at least part of the IQ gap between Canon's APS-C and full frame sensors.
8) Noise is definitely lower than the 50D, but in looking closely at the pixels, they seem to be a bit softened, as if Canon is cooking the bits a little, perhaps like Nikon does. However, it is nowhere near the destructive processing seen in the D5000.
9) At 100% RAW images look a bit overprocessed in DPP with High ISO Noise Reduction set to 'Standard'. However, 'Low' looks pretty good: the noise, particularly chroma noise, is visibly reduced yet the image still retains some structure. At 100% you can see some very modest processing artifacts at the default sharpening settings, but none that would be visible in a print, at least up to ISO 1600. Running it through Neat Image (using conservative settings) seems to gain very little.
For your perusal, here's a quick "real world" shot with shadows in very warm household incandescent lighting (always a tough test for noise), handleld wide open with the EF 35mm f/2.0, ISO 1600, auto white balance, default sharpening (3):
http://www.vothphoto.com/files/personal/fm/7D/7D-ISO-1600-1.jpg
Here is the shot at 100%. Top: DPP NR at 'Low'; Bottom: No NR:
http://www.vothphoto.com/files/personal/fm/7D/7D-ISO-1600-2.jpg
Edited on Sep 29, 2009 at 08:33 PM · View previous versions
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:28 PM
p.89 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Clovermead wrote:
http://deepforest.smugmug.com/photos/665433692_FQ5RM-L.jpg
I cannot believe how uncluttered your workspace is!!
Cool shot, actually. I like it. Of course, I've been a geek since vacuum tubes...
http://deepforest.smugmug.com/photos/665433692_FQ5RM-L.jpg
I cannot believe how uncluttered your workspace is!!
Cool shot, actually. I like it. Of course, I've been a geek since vacuum tubes...
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:29 PM
p.89 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
kirry007 wrote:
I better start reading that manual thoroughly in advance, just ordered 1 from J&R, woohooo !!!
You too, eh? Yeah, I just broke down as well. Wonder if they'll have any in stock when they start sifting through tonight's orders.
I better start reading that manual thoroughly in advance, just ordered 1 from J&R, woohooo !!!
You too, eh? Yeah, I just broke down as well. Wonder if they'll have any in stock when they start sifting through tonight's orders.
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:30 PM
p.89 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
canonical wrote:
A Nikon D40.
Humor is wasted on the lame...
cameron12x wrote
What "other camera" could possibly be better than the 7D?!?Humor is wasted on the lame...
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:32 PM
p.89 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
My 7D on a plane heading west to LV and due for delivery before 10:30AM. Shipped today from Berger Brothers on Long Island. Hopefully post some tomorrow PM.
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:37 PM
p.89 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
garyvot wrote:
Yeah, I was actually going to say that, but then thought nobody would believe me.
Okay, a few more observations, and a picture.
5) The shutter/mirror noise is *very* quiet and smooth sounding, not "clackety" or "thunky" as in some other Canon models... nice. The feel is also very responsive.
6) AF is miscalibrated on my sample--it needs a +7 MA global correction to focus with the lenses I've tried so far. I have not yet decided whether to return the camera or send it to CPS.
7) Image color and tone seems really lovely, closer to (if not a match...Show more →
Thanks for your observations, GaryVot. In relation to issue 9, I set the high ISO noise reduction ot "low" on the 5D2 as well. It does very well most of the time at that setting, and is a good compromise between noise reduction and loss of detail. Rarely, I crank up the sliders in DPP (usually when I'm pulling up underexposed shadows in post processing), but usually, "low" is just fine.
Yeah, I was actually going to say that, but then thought nobody would believe me.
Okay, a few more observations, and a picture.
5) The shutter/mirror noise is *very* quiet and smooth sounding, not "clackety" or "thunky" as in some other Canon models... nice. The feel is also very responsive.
6) AF is miscalibrated on my sample--it needs a +7 MA global correction to focus with the lenses I've tried so far. I have not yet decided whether to return the camera or send it to CPS.
7) Image color and tone seems really lovely, closer to (if not a match...Show more →
Thanks for your observations, GaryVot. In relation to issue 9, I set the high ISO noise reduction ot "low" on the 5D2 as well. It does very well most of the time at that setting, and is a good compromise between noise reduction and loss of detail. Rarely, I crank up the sliders in DPP (usually when I'm pulling up underexposed shadows in post processing), but usually, "low" is just fine.
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:39 PM
p.89 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
kirry007 wrote:
uses "hide me" button, regains sanity.
DITTO
uses "hide me" button, regains sanity.
DITTO
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:39 PM
p.89 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
to garyvot
Interesting observations. Thank you for the images.
I think that the viewfinder of 7D seems to be nicely bright (brighter that 5D's)
Interesting observations. Thank you for the images.
I think that the viewfinder of 7D seems to be nicely bright (brighter that 5D's)
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:41 PM
p.89 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
mfurman wrote:
Interesting observations. Thank you for the images.
I think that the viewfinder of 7D seems to be nicely bright (brighter that 5D's)
We'll soon see. The 5D2's viewfinder is brighter than the original 5D, and less "yellow". It's better, though not really any bigger.
Earlier quote
to garyvotI think that the viewfinder of 7D seems to be nicely bright (brighter that 5D's)
We'll soon see. The 5D2's viewfinder is brighter than the original 5D, and less "yellow". It's better, though not really any bigger.
Sep 29, 2009 at 08:52 PM
p.89 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Oh ho! Totoro, a gaming mouse, and a 7D early adopter? Triple threat!
haha yep
Clovermead wrote
Digitalbug, I don't have quite what you are looking for but I did take a just-for-kicks photo of Totoro staring into the glowing lcd of my laptop. What can I say, I'm a geek girl lol. This was a 20 second exposure, RAW converted in DPP to jpg, ISO 400, SOOC with no sharpening or NR added. 7D and 35 f2. @f9. The only light in the room was from the comptuer's lcd and the candle.haha yep
Sep 29, 2009 at 09:15 PM
p.89 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Tom_W wrote:
I cannot believe how uncluttered your workspace is!!
Cool shot, actually. I like it. Of course, I've been a geek since vacuum tubes...
Thanks!
Clovermead wrote
http://deepforest.smugmug.com/photos/665433692_FQ5RM-L.jpgCool shot, actually. I like it. Of course, I've been a geek since vacuum tubes...
Thanks!
Sep 29, 2009 at 09:16 PM
p.89 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
garyvot, that shot is impressive for more than just noise - if that is truly AWB under tungsten it is a significant improvement over any canon dslr I've ever owned.
Sep 29, 2009 at 09:19 PM
p.89 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
apdieb wrote:
DITTO
You guys are right, addition by subtraction.
kirry007 wrote
uses "hide me" button, regains sanity.You guys are right, addition by subtraction.
Sep 29, 2009 at 09:21 PM
p.89 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
timbop wrote:
...if that is truly AWB under tungsten it is a significant improvement over any canon dslr I've ever owned.
Good point - it's routine for me to select and change multiple photos that were taken under tungsten to "tungsten". Of course, now that we're about to be blessed with a variety of color temperatures from the various compact flourescent lights out there, it will again be a challenge. We'll see how the 7 does with that. I may need my gray card more often.
...if that is truly AWB under tungsten it is a significant improvement over any canon dslr I've ever owned.
Good point - it's routine for me to select and change multiple photos that were taken under tungsten to "tungsten". Of course, now that we're about to be blessed with a variety of color temperatures from the various compact flourescent lights out there, it will again be a challenge. We'll see how the 7 does with that. I may need my gray card more often.
Sep 29, 2009 at 09:25 PM
p.89 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
CanonRumors mini review: http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-7d-mini-review/
Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06 PM
p.89 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
For European (and Dutch of course 
) buyers: the 7D is in stock on the Dutch retail market as of today... So, go buy one and tell me if I should do the same
) buyers: the 7D is in stock on the Dutch retail market as of today... So, go buy one and tell me if I should do the same Sep 30, 2009 at 12:44 AM
p.89 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Daan, how much is the 7D on Dutch retail market ?
Sep 30, 2009 at 01:01 AM