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p.84 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
thw2 wrote:
Because Imaging Resource needs to replace their studio light bulbs. There are other examples on the web which show the 7D sensitivity is the same as the 5D2 etc. I was once worried like you, so how I know you feel. 
Except that the 5DII "cooks the books" in terms of ISO too. Maybe that's not the right term. I think "corrects the ISO underrating in previous Canon DSLRs" is more appropriate
michael49 wrote
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but why does the 7D require 1/400 to achieve the same exposure as the 50D at 1/500? Wouldn't this "undo" some or all of the high ISO advantage of the 7D?Except that the 5DII "cooks the books" in terms of ISO too. Maybe that's not the right term. I think "corrects the ISO underrating in previous Canon DSLRs" is more appropriate
Sep 28, 2009 at 01:15 PM
p.84 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
All I know... To get same exposure between my 5D2 and 1D3, my 1D3 needs about a 1/3 stop of ISO boost to match at same ap/ss... Granted, while shooting in the field, I don't have the same lens on both bodies, but it's pretty evident when looking through my NHL shots that the same settings between the two bodies do not yield the same exposure.
Just thought I'd throw that out there since it was brought up. I won't claim to have any explanations about "cooking ISOs", etc.. Just real world experience.
Just thought I'd throw that out there since it was brought up. I won't claim to have any explanations about "cooking ISOs", etc.. Just real world experience.
Sep 28, 2009 at 01:44 PM
p.84 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Except that the 5DII "cooks the books" in terms of ISO too. Maybe that's not the right term. I think "corrects the ISO underrating in previous Canon DSLRs" is more appropriate
That "correction" as Canon calls it was done before the 5D2 came out. The Rebel XT or XTi if I'm not mistaken.
EDIT: It was the XTi/400D.
The only two bodies I can compare are the 5D2 and 5D and I've already concluded that there is a difference of between 1/6 and 1/3 stop. Or, to put it another way, a shot done at ISO 100, f/8, and 1/100 second on the 5D would appear almost the same as an image taken at ISO 125, f/8, and 1/100 on the 5D2. The 5D2 with 1/3 of a stop higher ISO would be very slightly brighter, though it's difficult to compare exactly since the contrast curves are also slightly different.
Except that the 5DII "cooks the books" in terms of ISO too. Maybe that's not the right term. I think "corrects the ISO underrating in previous Canon DSLRs" is more appropriate
That "correction" as Canon calls it was done before the 5D2 came out. The Rebel XT or XTi if I'm not mistaken.
EDIT: It was the XTi/400D.
The only two bodies I can compare are the 5D2 and 5D and I've already concluded that there is a difference of between 1/6 and 1/3 stop. Or, to put it another way, a shot done at ISO 100, f/8, and 1/100 second on the 5D would appear almost the same as an image taken at ISO 125, f/8, and 1/100 on the 5D2. The 5D2 with 1/3 of a stop higher ISO would be very slightly brighter, though it's difficult to compare exactly since the contrast curves are also slightly different.
Sep 28, 2009 at 01:45 PM
p.84 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
apdieb wrote:
All I know... To get same exposure between my 5D2 and 1D3, my 1D3 needs about a 1/3 stop of ISO boost to match at same ap/ss... Granted, while shooting in the field, I don't have the same lens on both bodies, but it's pretty evident when looking through my NHL shots that the same settings between the two bodies do not yield the same exposure.
Just thought I'd throw that out there since it was brought up. I won't claim to have any explanations about "cooking ISOs", etc.. Just real world experience.
my experience with same lens on the same soccer field at night is that the 20D, for a given ISO, could use faster shutter for same apparent output, compared to the 50D compared to the 5D2 compared to the 40D.
All I know... To get same exposure between my 5D2 and 1D3, my 1D3 needs about a 1/3 stop of ISO boost to match at same ap/ss... Granted, while shooting in the field, I don't have the same lens on both bodies, but it's pretty evident when looking through my NHL shots that the same settings between the two bodies do not yield the same exposure.
Just thought I'd throw that out there since it was brought up. I won't claim to have any explanations about "cooking ISOs", etc.. Just real world experience.
my experience with same lens on the same soccer field at night is that the 20D, for a given ISO, could use faster shutter for same apparent output, compared to the 50D compared to the 5D2 compared to the 40D.
Sep 28, 2009 at 02:01 PM
p.84 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Looking at Simon's racing pics makes me wish I could have had my 7D in hand this past weekend for the SCCA National Run Offs. It would have been a fun place to wring it out a little.
YetiMan = also hoping his Amazon preorder comes through soon.
YetiMan = also hoping his Amazon preorder comes through soon.
Sep 28, 2009 at 02:18 PM
p.84 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
garyvot wrote:
In terms of metering, I've found the 5D2 (and 5D before it) seem much better to me than the 40D or 50D. The 5-series metering seems to average the exposures and better protect the highlights. The xxD models I've used seem more heavily center-weighted and also seem to frequently overexpose.
Did you use Evaluative metering on both?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
In terms of metering, I've found the 5D2 (and 5D before it) seem much better to me than the 40D or 50D. The 5-series metering seems to average the exposures and better protect the highlights. The xxD models I've used seem more heavily center-weighted and also seem to frequently overexpose.
Did you use Evaluative metering on both?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Sep 28, 2009 at 03:34 PM
p.84 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
theSuede wrote:
I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but the 5D2 does the same thing. It over-inflates it's ISO-ratings, maybe for marketing reasons - we don't know.
Oh, no, what I mean to say is that as long as 7D ISO sensitivity is the same as the recent batch of Canon cameras such as the 5D2, 50D etc etc, it's alright with me. I have no intention of comparing it to other brand names.
Anyway, there are different ways of defining ISO sensitivity, hence, the DPReview article on sense and sensitivity.
I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but the 5D2 does the same thing. It over-inflates it's ISO-ratings, maybe for marketing reasons - we don't know.
Oh, no, what I mean to say is that as long as 7D ISO sensitivity is the same as the recent batch of Canon cameras such as the 5D2, 50D etc etc, it's alright with me. I have no intention of comparing it to other brand names.
Anyway, there are different ways of defining ISO sensitivity, hence, the DPReview article on sense and sensitivity.
Sep 28, 2009 at 03:42 PM
p.84 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Per several comments from folks waiting for their Amazon pre-orders, I'm a member of that club too ... status hasn't changed since I took this screen grab four days ago ... :-(
Sep 28, 2009 at 03:55 PM
p.84 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
You'd expect to be waiting this long, after all the bodies are just shipping to retailers now.
Sep 28, 2009 at 04:09 PM
p.84 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I wouldn't expect the major retailers to start shipping until next week at the earliest.
It makes sense to show allegience to the specialty and dedicated camera stores FIRST, and generic retailers like Amazon second.
Many must wait until at least the week of 10/12 if ordering from Best Buy.
It makes sense to show allegience to the specialty and dedicated camera stores FIRST, and generic retailers like Amazon second.
Many must wait until at least the week of 10/12 if ordering from Best Buy.
Sep 28, 2009 at 04:19 PM
p.84 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I just picked mine up and the thrill of the purchase was dampened a little by the simple fact that I wanted to take a shot in the store with central point autofocus before I left. Now, I'm no pro, but it took my "salesman", who is an experienced photographer and me about 10 minutes to first fail, then read the manual to get a central point autofocus set. There's a learning curve to go along with this new fancy autofocus. A price I'm willing to pay if it's what I think it is, but jheeeeez.
This will be motivation to get my on-line payment thing figured out, so I can finally join FM and be able to upload pics.
Let the learning begin.
This will be motivation to get my on-line payment thing figured out, so I can finally join FM and be able to upload pics.
Let the learning begin.
Sep 28, 2009 at 07:15 PM
p.84 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
canonical wrote:
I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!
There are a lot of us who are upgrading from significantly older bodies (I own a 20D for example). So, there is a LOT for us to cheer about without even touching the camera.
I assume you're familiar with previous Canon bodies, and the very incremental improvements we've seen from body-to-body. This camera is just a bit different from the xxD series. It's a bigger jump, for a variety of reasons (and you should know what they are, or become educated about them). There's a lot of wanderlust here, and it's all good.
I doubt that Canon missed the boat with this one, but I'll know for sure in a couple of weeks when I will have spent some time with it.
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I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!
There are a lot of us who are upgrading from significantly older bodies (I own a 20D for example). So, there is a LOT for us to cheer about without even touching the camera.
I assume you're familiar with previous Canon bodies, and the very incremental improvements we've seen from body-to-body. This camera is just a bit different from the xxD series. It's a bigger jump, for a variety of reasons (and you should know what they are, or become educated about them). There's a lot of wanderlust here, and it's all good.
I doubt that Canon missed the boat with this one, but I'll know for sure in a couple of weeks when I will have spent some time with it.
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Sep 28, 2009 at 07:28 PM
p.84 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
canonical wrote:
I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!
So what is your point canonical ? You seem to frequently post snotty messages about people buying new gear? What is your issue?
I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!
So what is your point canonical ? You seem to frequently post snotty messages about people buying new gear? What is your issue?
Sep 28, 2009 at 07:30 PM
p.84 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
He is a Nikon fanboy 
jcbenner wrote:
So what is your point canonical ? You seem to frequently post snotty messages about people buying new gear? What is your issue?
jcbenner wrote:
canonical wrote
I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!Sep 28, 2009 at 07:33 PM
p.84 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
canonical wrote:
I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!
Maybe because their business decisions have been good ones they can experiment with new "toys" which allows them to make "other areas of their (sic) lives" richer. I say them since I have been retired for 23 years after 36 years of making good business decisions. At my age I take advantage of any new innovation and enjoy the hell out of it and if it ends up on ebay... good luck to the buyer.
Cheer up and enjoy the fun of the minute.....
I guarantee that within about 6 mos you will see a bunch of 7D's for sale here as everybody jumps for "the best next thing". All of this hootin' and hollerin' and most of you haven't even seen one yet.....let alone actually used one. Is this a joke or what? If you really are making a living with your images and then do this kind of thing, I hope you are making better business decisions in other areas of your lives....!
Maybe because their business decisions have been good ones they can experiment with new "toys" which allows them to make "other areas of their (sic) lives" richer. I say them since I have been retired for 23 years after 36 years of making good business decisions. At my age I take advantage of any new innovation and enjoy the hell out of it and if it ends up on ebay... good luck to the buyer.
Cheer up and enjoy the fun of the minute.....
Sep 28, 2009 at 07:42 PM
p.84 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
If they got the cash.... more power to em... and if they fill the need to sell, bring em to FM and I will gladly take them off their hands like I have so many times before
Sep 28, 2009 at 07:49 PM
p.84 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I got a call from one of the camera stores I buy from that they have the 7D in and do I want one. I am giving it serious thought.
Sep 28, 2009 at 08:11 PM
p.84 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Anybody heard any info from B&H or Adorama on 7D availability?
Sep 28, 2009 at 08:17 PM
p.84 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Ransome wrote:
I just picked mine up and the thrill of the purchase was dampened a little by the simple fact that I wanted to take a shot in the store with central point autofocus before I left. Now, I'm no pro, but it took my "salesman", who is an experienced photographer and me about 10 minutes to first fail, then read the manual to get a central point autofocus set. There's a learning curve to go along with this new fancy autofocus. A price I'm willing to pay if it's what I think it is, but jheeeeez.
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I picked up mine tonight as well and laughed when I saw your post. I spent 10 minutes doing the exact same thing
I just picked mine up and the thrill of the purchase was dampened a little by the simple fact that I wanted to take a shot in the store with central point autofocus before I left. Now, I'm no pro, but it took my "salesman", who is an experienced photographer and me about 10 minutes to first fail, then read the manual to get a central point autofocus set. There's a learning curve to go along with this new fancy autofocus. A price I'm willing to pay if it's what I think it is, but jheeeeez.
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I picked up mine tonight as well and laughed when I saw your post. I spent 10 minutes doing the exact same thing
Sep 28, 2009 at 08:23 PM
p.84 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I've got a quick snap of the cat, but to be honest I was pleasantly surprised at the result. I really wasn't expecting the high ISO to be this good. ISO 6400 will definitely be usable for me. Straight jpeg from camera with standard settings, although I did manage to get the high ISO noise reduction disabled in camera. It may not be better than a 5DII, but I think it might top my original 5D! To me the noise has more of a film grain like appearance than any other camera I have used. Now if the BIF testing can produce the same results with respect to focus I'll be delighted!
unprocessed jpeg, only reduced size for web.
http://www.patrickfootephoto.com/Photos/7D6400.jpg
100% crops
http://www.patrickfootephoto.com/Photos/7D6400crop1.jpg
http://www.patrickfootephoto.com/Photos/7D6400crop2.jpg
great job Canon!
unprocessed jpeg, only reduced size for web.
http://www.patrickfootephoto.com/Photos/7D6400.jpg
100% crops
http://www.patrickfootephoto.com/Photos/7D6400crop1.jpg
http://www.patrickfootephoto.com/Photos/7D6400crop2.jpg
great job Canon!
Sep 28, 2009 at 08:28 PM