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p.39 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I had access to a 7D today. I spent an exhaustive 30min doing a perfectly (almost) scientific test, across all ISO's of a standardised scene.
I got home...and realised DPP can't open the 7D Raw Files
I got home...and realised DPP can't open the 7D Raw Files
Sep 09, 2009 at 09:04 AM
p.39 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
How do I do that? Is that via PS?The other thing is this was a pre production model so strangely the EXIF said something like K700 or something haha...
Sep 09, 2009 at 09:10 AM
p.39 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I think you can download a RAW to DNG converter from adobe site.
Sep 09, 2009 at 09:11 AM
p.39 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
n0b0 wrote:
Can't you convert them to DNG?
I thought of that but I doubt the Adobe DNG converter will be unable to recognize the RAW format.
Can't you convert them to DNG?
I thought of that but I doubt the Adobe DNG converter will be unable to recognize the RAW format.
Sep 09, 2009 at 09:12 AM
p.39 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
jmimac351 wrote:
At least I learned to appreciate the review method imaging-resource uses. It was nice to be able to compare the same scene for different cameras because that became the question - how does this compare to the 50D? I think it's clearly superior to the 50D and if it does all the rest Canon claims then they've built quite a little hot rod.
Imaging Resource is weird...they present their camera to camera comparisons in SOOC JPG...why would you do that? It's just introducing NR into the equation.
It's ridiculous, you can instantly tell by the absence of chroma noise and the water colour like results (and chroma blotching in newer Canon cameras) that those files have been whacked with a NR silly stick
At least I learned to appreciate the review method imaging-resource uses. It was nice to be able to compare the same scene for different cameras because that became the question - how does this compare to the 50D? I think it's clearly superior to the 50D and if it does all the rest Canon claims then they've built quite a little hot rod.
Imaging Resource is weird...they present their camera to camera comparisons in SOOC JPG...why would you do that? It's just introducing NR into the equation.
It's ridiculous, you can instantly tell by the absence of chroma noise and the water colour like results (and chroma blotching in newer Canon cameras) that those files have been whacked with a NR silly stick
Sep 09, 2009 at 09:16 AM
p.39 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Dawei Ye wrote:
Imaging Resource is weird...they present their camera to camera comparisons in SOOC JPG...why would you do that? It's just introducing NR into the equation.
It's ridiculous, you can instantly tell by the absence of chroma noise and the water colour like results (and chroma blotching in newer Canon cameras) that those files have been whacked with a NR silly stick
It's a bit roundabout, but if you go to the reviews for each camera you can typically see the full suite of samples including with NR off. Yeah, would be nice if you could select those from the Comparometer.
jmimac351 wrote
At least I learned to appreciate the review method imaging-resource uses. It was nice to be able to compare the same scene for different cameras because that became the question - how does this compare to the 50D? I think it's clearly superior to the 50D and if it does all the rest Canon claims then they've built quite a little hot rod.It's ridiculous, you can instantly tell by the absence of chroma noise and the water colour like results (and chroma blotching in newer Canon cameras) that those files have been whacked with a NR silly stick
It's a bit roundabout, but if you go to the reviews for each camera you can typically see the full suite of samples including with NR off. Yeah, would be nice if you could select those from the Comparometer.
Sep 09, 2009 at 09:24 AM
p.39 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Imaging Resource is weird...they present their camera to camera comparisons in SOOC JPG...why would you do that? It's just introducing NR into the equation.
It's ridiculous, you can instantly tell by the absence of chroma noise and the water colour like results (and chroma blotching in newer Canon cameras) that those files have been whacked with a NR silly stickIt's a bit roundabout, but if you go to the reviews for each camera you can typically see the full suite of samples including with NR off. Yeah, would be nice if you could select those from the Comparometer.
On most cameras there is still noise reduction being applied to the JPEGs even with "high ISO" NR off. On some Canon cameras this is true even at ISO 100.
I think IR does their tests this way because most consumers shoot JPEG. They do make the RAW files for some images available to downloas, we just don't have a RAW converter for the 7D yet.
Dawei Ye wrote
jmimac351 wrote
At least I learned to appreciate the review method imaging-resource uses. It was nice to be able to compare the same scene for different cameras because that became the question - how does this compare to the 50D? I think it's clearly superior to the 50D and if it does all the rest Canon claims then they've built quite a little hot rod.It's ridiculous, you can instantly tell by the absence of chroma noise and the water colour like results (and chroma blotching in newer Canon cameras) that those files have been whacked with a NR silly stick
On most cameras there is still noise reduction being applied to the JPEGs even with "high ISO" NR off. On some Canon cameras this is true even at ISO 100.
I think IR does their tests this way because most consumers shoot JPEG. They do make the RAW files for some images available to downloas, we just don't have a RAW converter for the 7D yet.
Sep 09, 2009 at 10:18 AM
p.39 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Dawei Ye wrote:
How do I do that? Is that via PS?
The other thing is this was a pre production model so strangely the EXIF said something like K700 or something haha...
Go to canon's site, and select the downloads for 7d. They have a new DPP on there for download, which presumably will read the new RAWs
How do I do that? Is that via PS?The other thing is this was a pre production model so strangely the EXIF said something like K700 or something haha...
Go to canon's site, and select the downloads for 7d. They have a new DPP on there for download, which presumably will read the new RAWs
Sep 09, 2009 at 11:25 AM
p.39 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Looks like we're not alone! So a guy gets busted for for spending too much time in a Canon forum and at sentencing the judge says: "I'd sentence you to life, but unfortunately you don't have one". 
I just flew in from jersey, and boy are my arms tired.... I got a million of 'em I tell ya....
timbop wrote
jmimac351 wrote
I've also read through 30 pages of this thread and have come to the conclusion that some of you dudes really need to get a life. I just flew in from jersey, and boy are my arms tired.... I got a million of 'em I tell ya....
Sep 09, 2009 at 11:27 AM
p.39 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
headroom wrote:
As far as I know Apple says
Above Core Duo 2 2.6 plays H.264 files smooth
My Laptop 2.4 Core Duo2 dos not give smooth Videoplayback
Workaround Quicktime Pro Export the files to DVCPRO 1024x576 60fps
My G5 2 GHz Dual can play with this tweak
I found an Apple page that says the 2 GHz G5 Dual can play full HD at 24 fps if it has the better video card with 128 MB of ram. I have a dead G5 with that card so I will swap it and try. Interestingly, the Apple page says the Intel based Mac requires at least 3 GHz dual core to play. Knew there was a reason I preferred Power PC.
orangefirefish wrote
the 2ghz might be an issue for 1080p video...Above Core Duo 2 2.6 plays H.264 files smooth
My Laptop 2.4 Core Duo2 dos not give smooth Videoplayback
Workaround Quicktime Pro Export the files to DVCPRO 1024x576 60fps
My G5 2 GHz Dual can play with this tweak
I found an Apple page that says the 2 GHz G5 Dual can play full HD at 24 fps if it has the better video card with 128 MB of ram. I have a dead G5 with that card so I will swap it and try. Interestingly, the Apple page says the Intel based Mac requires at least 3 GHz dual core to play. Knew there was a reason I preferred Power PC.
Sep 09, 2009 at 12:43 PM
p.39 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Jeff Nolten wrote:
As far as I know Apple says
Above Core Duo 2 2.6 plays H.264 files smooth
My Laptop 2.4 Core Duo2 dos not give smooth Videoplayback
Workaround Quicktime Pro Export the files to DVCPRO 1024x576 60fps
My G5 2 GHz Dual can play with this tweakI found an Apple page that says the 2 GHz G5 Dual can play full HD at 24 fps if it has the better video card with 128 MB of ram. I have a dead G5 with that card so I will swap it and try. Interestingly, the Apple page says the Intel based Mac requires at least 3 GHz dual core to play. Knew there was a reason I preferred Power PC.
If you use a program that supports full h.264 HW accel video cards you don't need very much CPU power at all.
headroom wrote
orangefirefish wrote
the 2ghz might be an issue for 1080p video...Above Core Duo 2 2.6 plays H.264 files smooth
My Laptop 2.4 Core Duo2 dos not give smooth Videoplayback
Workaround Quicktime Pro Export the files to DVCPRO 1024x576 60fps
My G5 2 GHz Dual can play with this tweak
If you use a program that supports full h.264 HW accel video cards you don't need very much CPU power at all.
Sep 09, 2009 at 01:30 PM
p.39 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I've downloaded the Imaging Resource RAW files and have taken a look at them using a Beta version of Camera Raw. A few notes:
1. The criss-cross pattern noise you see when you push the shadows really hard on the 5D2, its gone. Awesome.
2. The ability to resolve detail even at higher ISOs is impressive, very happy to see this.
3. Per pixel noise at ISO 1600 is visibly and considerably lower with the 7D than with the 50D. When applying the default color noise reduction in ACR, much of the color noise goes away however the 7D has much less color splotches than the 50D. Definitely good news for those who weren't impressed with the noise performance of the 50D.
4. Things only get better for the 7D against the 50D at higher ISOs. At ISO 3200 you get banding and really ugly splotches in your shadows (when you apply color NR) on the 50D. The 7D has no banding and though some spotching starts to show its controlled.
5. How does it compare to a 5D2? Only compared the images briefly, but sadly the laws of physics still apply. The 5D2 has less noise at virtually all ISOs, however the difference isn't as huge as it was comparing the 5D2 to the 50D.
Based on my observations so far, I'm quite happy I pre-ordered and pumped to actually use the camera when it eventually starts shipping.
Now I really need to get back to working on the stuff I get paid to work on...
1. The criss-cross pattern noise you see when you push the shadows really hard on the 5D2, its gone. Awesome.
2. The ability to resolve detail even at higher ISOs is impressive, very happy to see this.
3. Per pixel noise at ISO 1600 is visibly and considerably lower with the 7D than with the 50D. When applying the default color noise reduction in ACR, much of the color noise goes away however the 7D has much less color splotches than the 50D. Definitely good news for those who weren't impressed with the noise performance of the 50D.
4. Things only get better for the 7D against the 50D at higher ISOs. At ISO 3200 you get banding and really ugly splotches in your shadows (when you apply color NR) on the 50D. The 7D has no banding and though some spotching starts to show its controlled.
5. How does it compare to a 5D2? Only compared the images briefly, but sadly the laws of physics still apply. The 5D2 has less noise at virtually all ISOs, however the difference isn't as huge as it was comparing the 5D2 to the 50D.
Based on my observations so far, I'm quite happy I pre-ordered and pumped to actually use the camera when it eventually starts shipping.
Now I really need to get back to working on the stuff I get paid to work on...
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:18 PM
p.39 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
skibum5 wrote:
If you use a program that supports full h.264 HW accel video cards you don't need very much CPU power at all.
True. I'm researching my options. The Apple spec assumed QuickTime 7. I use an old slideshow software for PowerPC called iView (now owned and ruined by Microsoft) to display my images. It can handle video files through QT. My thought was to replace tediously constructed pano shots with short film clips panning over the same scene. Integrating stills and film clips with the same slide show software is the goal.
I currently use an old G4 laptop to play slideshows on the Sony Bravia. Looks like it will never have enough horsepower to display HD videos.
If you use a program that supports full h.264 HW accel video cards you don't need very much CPU power at all.
True. I'm researching my options. The Apple spec assumed QuickTime 7. I use an old slideshow software for PowerPC called iView (now owned and ruined by Microsoft) to display my images. It can handle video files through QT. My thought was to replace tediously constructed pano shots with short film clips panning over the same scene. Integrating stills and film clips with the same slide show software is the goal.
I currently use an old G4 laptop to play slideshows on the Sony Bravia. Looks like it will never have enough horsepower to display HD videos.
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:20 PM
p.39 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
^^^ where is the beta Camera Raw ? ..mind sharing ?
..mind sharing ?Sep 09, 2009 at 03:21 PM
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p.39 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
thedigitalbean wrote:
I've downloaded the Imaging Resource RAW files and have taken a look at them using a Beta version of Camera Raw. A few notes:
1. The criss-cross pattern noise you see when you push the shadows really hard on the 5D2, its gone. Awesome.
Yeah - awesome - all I need to do now is sell my two 5D's, buy two 7D's... no wait scrap that since my lenses are full-frame focal lengths... all I need to do now is wait until Canon releases a 5D successor with shadow noise handling like that in the excellent 500D and 7D. Seriously, it's great that Canon is addressing this problem, but it's a shame there isn't a competitive and affordable FULL-FRAME Canon body which doesn't suck at patterned shadow noise. (No, the classic 5D isn't competitive with A900 or D700.)
I've downloaded the Imaging Resource RAW files and have taken a look at them using a Beta version of Camera Raw. A few notes:
1. The criss-cross pattern noise you see when you push the shadows really hard on the 5D2, its gone. Awesome.
Yeah - awesome - all I need to do now is sell my two 5D's, buy two 7D's... no wait scrap that since my lenses are full-frame focal lengths... all I need to do now is wait until Canon releases a 5D successor with shadow noise handling like that in the excellent 500D and 7D. Seriously, it's great that Canon is addressing this problem, but it's a shame there isn't a competitive and affordable FULL-FRAME Canon body which doesn't suck at patterned shadow noise. (No, the classic 5D isn't competitive with A900 or D700.)
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:24 PM
p.39 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I too am impressed by the specs of the 7D, and will probably pick one up. But the thing that is so ridiculous is to see the reviews that are already posted on retailers' websites. I mean, how is it possible for these folks to be posting reviews of something they have never even seen, let alone touched? Granted that there are a few who have test models, but lets get real!
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:26 PM
p.39 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
brainiac wrote:
1. The criss-cross pattern noise you see when you push the shadows really hard on the 5D2, its gone. Awesome.Yeah - awesome - all I need to do now is sell my two 5D's, buy two 7D's... no wait scrap that since my lenses are full-frame focal lengths... all I need to do now is wait until Canon releases a 5D successor with shadow noise handling like that in the excellent 500D and 7D. Seriously, it's great that Canon is addressing this problem, but it's a shame there isn't a competitive and affordable FULL-FRAME Canon body which doesn't suck at patterned shadow noise. (No, the classic 5D isn't competitive with A900 or D700.)
Yup, definitely looking forward to a full frame version of the 7D. The new 1D4/1Ds4 should also be impressive image quality wise. I won't touch a 1D4 unless its FF, and I'm not spending $8k on a camera (yes I know I currently have a 1Ds3 but I got that 7 months ago for half that).
thedigitalbean wrote
I've downloaded the Imaging Resource RAW files and have taken a look at them using a Beta version of Camera Raw. A few notes:1. The criss-cross pattern noise you see when you push the shadows really hard on the 5D2, its gone. Awesome.
Yup, definitely looking forward to a full frame version of the 7D. The new 1D4/1Ds4 should also be impressive image quality wise. I won't touch a 1D4 unless its FF, and I'm not spending $8k on a camera (yes I know I currently have a 1Ds3 but I got that 7 months ago for half that).
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:38 PM
p.39 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
kewlcanon wrote:
^^^ where is the beta Camera Raw ?..mind sharing ?
Sorry no can do on that one
^^^ where is the beta Camera Raw ?
..mind sharing ?Sorry no can do on that one
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:39 PM
p.39 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
thedigitalbean wrote:
I've downloaded the Imaging Resource RAW files and have taken a look at them using a Beta version of Camera Raw.
Hey, not fair! I have the ACR 5.5 beta installed but there is no support for the 7D. Tell your contacts at Adobe to spread the love!
I've downloaded the Imaging Resource RAW files and have taken a look at them using a Beta version of Camera Raw.
Hey, not fair! I have the ACR 5.5 beta installed but there is no support for the 7D. Tell your contacts at Adobe to spread the love!
Sep 09, 2009 at 03:42 PM