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p.33 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Is the new BG-E7 Grip made of metal or plastic?
Sep 07, 2009 at 12:58 AM
p.33 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
droopy1592 wrote:
But they are already saying that about the 7D, that it's a copy of the D300.... 2 years late
More like a copy of the D400, 12 months ahead
Given the D300s is such a perfect camera, beside cramping slightly more MPs, how can Nikon really improve it? Likely the reason we only got a minor update with video really.
But they are already saying that about the 7D, that it's a copy of the D300.... 2 years late
More like a copy of the D400, 12 months ahead
Given the D300s is such a perfect camera, beside cramping slightly more MPs, how can Nikon really improve it? Likely the reason we only got a minor update with video really.
Sep 07, 2009 at 01:28 AM
p.33 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
SoundHound wrote:
But Brianiac is right Canon has us itching for a scratch we never will get. Canon, it must certainly be obvious now, continues to "feature segment" their bodies so that we cannot get the utility and performance of Nikon (D700/D3) even though Canon has the edge in sensor technology with their own custom manufacturing.
The reason the itch will never be scratched is because the consumer will never be happy. This is the first time i've come on here since finding out some info and purchasing my 5DMK2, and I can tell you i'm glad I stepped back for 10 odd months. Canon has released the camera (or close enough too) that everyone was harping on about when the 5DMK2 was released, and still no-one is happy. Still people think this improvement here or there will make or break their photography.
All i've done with my 5D2 is use it. And I can safely say not one of the minor crisis posted on here has effected my work. Or at least not to the point of anything else being a better alternative. Sometimes we should all just take a step back from the Internet!
But Brianiac is right Canon has us itching for a scratch we never will get. Canon, it must certainly be obvious now, continues to "feature segment" their bodies so that we cannot get the utility and performance of Nikon (D700/D3) even though Canon has the edge in sensor technology with their own custom manufacturing.
The reason the itch will never be scratched is because the consumer will never be happy. This is the first time i've come on here since finding out some info and purchasing my 5DMK2, and I can tell you i'm glad I stepped back for 10 odd months. Canon has released the camera (or close enough too) that everyone was harping on about when the 5DMK2 was released, and still no-one is happy. Still people think this improvement here or there will make or break their photography.
All i've done with my 5D2 is use it. And I can safely say not one of the minor crisis posted on here has effected my work. Or at least not to the point of anything else being a better alternative. Sometimes we should all just take a step back from the Internet!
Sep 07, 2009 at 02:14 AM
p.33 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Fred Relaix wrote:
More like a copy of the D400, 12 months ahead
Given the D300s is such a perfect camera, beside cramping slightly more MPs, how can Nikon really improve it? Likely the reason we only got a minor update with video really.
I've been thinking about that as well. What other features are desirable?
Improve on auto white balance?
New sensor?
16 bit RAW?
Or 'copy' Canon's HD movie and 24/25/30 fps options?
In-built GPS?
Fully auto distortion, vignetting and CA correction for every shot?
Fun times indeed.
More like a copy of the D400, 12 months ahead
Given the D300s is such a perfect camera, beside cramping slightly more MPs, how can Nikon really improve it? Likely the reason we only got a minor update with video really.
I've been thinking about that as well. What other features are desirable?
Improve on auto white balance?
New sensor?
16 bit RAW?
Or 'copy' Canon's HD movie and 24/25/30 fps options?
In-built GPS?
Fully auto distortion, vignetting and CA correction for every shot?
Fun times indeed.
Sep 07, 2009 at 02:30 AM
p.33 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
droopy1592 wrote:
But they are already saying that about the 7D, that it's a copy of the D300.... 2 years late
"They" say a lot of things - and are usually wrong!
The 7D can't really be considered a D300 "copy" or a "response" or anything else to do with the D300, as it's almost certain (assuming a three year design/development lifecycle) that the 7D will have been spec'd out, designed and signed off for production before Canon had any inkling of the D300.
But they are already saying that about the 7D, that it's a copy of the D300.... 2 years late
"They" say a lot of things - and are usually wrong!
The 7D can't really be considered a D300 "copy" or a "response" or anything else to do with the D300, as it's almost certain (assuming a three year design/development lifecycle) that the 7D will have been spec'd out, designed and signed off for production before Canon had any inkling of the D300.
Sep 07, 2009 at 05:04 AM
p.33 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
"They" say a lot of things - and are usually wrong!
The 7D can't really be considered a D300 "copy" or a "response" or anything else to do with the D300, as it's almost certain (assuming a three year design/development lifecycle) that the 7D will have been spec'd out, designed and signed off for production before Canon had any inkling of the D300.
Very true. Look at RDKirk posts earlier.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
droopy1592 wrote
But they are already saying that about the 7D, that it's a copy of the D300.... 2 years lateThe 7D can't really be considered a D300 "copy" or a "response" or anything else to do with the D300, as it's almost certain (assuming a three year design/development lifecycle) that the 7D will have been spec'd out, designed and signed off for production before Canon had any inkling of the D300.
Very true. Look at RDKirk posts earlier.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Sep 07, 2009 at 05:57 AM
p.33 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
They certainly don't decide on a cameras specs three years in advance. They finalize a camera less then a year before it's released. No electronics firm could stay in business with the production cycle suggested.
The D300 greatly influenced what Canon released in the 7D. They would never put the quality AF in the 7D unless forced to by Nikon. They wouldn't do 8fps either.
The D300 greatly influenced what Canon released in the 7D. They would never put the quality AF in the 7D unless forced to by Nikon. They wouldn't do 8fps either.
Sep 07, 2009 at 06:21 AM
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p.33 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Gochugogi wrote:
This side of the fence would be awash with ranting about "what happened to Canon originality?" and the Nikon guys would either be howling with laughter about Canon "having to" rip Nikon off; or (hopefully!) bitching that Canon's D700 was better than Nikon's D700!I wonder about that. The iPhone has been a huge hit and now every competitor has a near clone with similar touchscreen, interface and apps. One even claimed to sync with iTunes (until Apple fixed that). Nobody seems to care much about originality albeit the competitors seem to still fall a bit short.
Yes and don't forget this quote from the early SteveJobs mk2 when he was asked about axing the Newton platform: "Apple makes computers. Computers have keyboards." The consumer has a very short memory.
Earlier quote
Besides, can you imagine the forums - both Canon and Nikon - if they did "copy" a D700, say?This side of the fence would be awash with ranting about "what happened to Canon originality?" and the Nikon guys would either be howling with laughter about Canon "having to" rip Nikon off; or (hopefully!) bitching that Canon's D700 was better than Nikon's D700!
Yes and don't forget this quote from the early SteveJobs mk2 when he was asked about axing the Newton platform: "Apple makes computers. Computers have keyboards." The consumer has a very short memory.
Sep 07, 2009 at 07:17 AM
p.33 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
dcmiller wrote:
They certainly don't decide on a cameras specs three years in advance. They finalize a camera less then a year before it's released. No electronics firm could stay in business with the production cycle suggested.
The D300 greatly influenced what Canon released in the 7D. They would never put the quality AF in the 7D unless forced to by Nikon. They wouldn't do 8fps either.
Absolutly agreed. This si why we are likely to see a FF camera with 7D-like features in the near future
They certainly don't decide on a cameras specs three years in advance. They finalize a camera less then a year before it's released. No electronics firm could stay in business with the production cycle suggested.
The D300 greatly influenced what Canon released in the 7D. They would never put the quality AF in the 7D unless forced to by Nikon. They wouldn't do 8fps either.
Absolutly agreed. This si why we are likely to see a FF camera with 7D-like features in the near future
Sep 07, 2009 at 07:30 AM
p.33 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
If Nikon releases a 21-24 MP D700x, then we may see a 32 MP 5DMkIII by Christmas of 2010.
Sep 07, 2009 at 07:42 AM
p.33 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Hell, I'd just be happy if Canon re-released the old 5D with just live-view, better bigger LCD, and lens microadjust.
Sep 07, 2009 at 07:52 AM
p.33 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
rsg_1 wrote:
If Nikon releases a 21-24 MP D700x, then we may see a 32 MP 5DMkIII by Christmas of 2010.
I think we will see before a 1DsIV, and a year later maybe a 5DmkIII with the same sensor.
If Nikon releases a 21-24 MP D700x, then we may see a 32 MP 5DMkIII by Christmas of 2010.
I think we will see before a 1DsIV, and a year later maybe a 5DmkIII with the same sensor.
Sep 07, 2009 at 08:02 AM
p.33 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Not wanting to break the mood, but just where the heck has EOSfun been throughout this new camera season?
Sep 07, 2009 at 08:41 AM
p.33 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Haven't you noticed? There's at least one poster masquerading as EOSfun.
Sep 07, 2009 at 08:47 AM
p.33 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Tom_W wrote:
Not wanting to break the mood, but just where the heck has EOSfun been throughout this new camera season?
He's probably out having EOSfun!
Not wanting to break the mood, but just where the heck has EOSfun been throughout this new camera season?
He's probably out having EOSfun!
Sep 07, 2009 at 09:07 AM
p.33 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Nikon is suffering from profit pain now. We don't know how much the D700 hurt D3 sales. If Nikon releases a D700x it might not be as cheap as everybody assumes.
Sep 07, 2009 at 09:17 AM
p.33 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I meant to communicate that Canon (unlike Nikon with their D3/D700 combo) will continue to "ration" features so that no one camera body (at any price) will have most/all of the features that I (we/Brianiac?) want.
That's to say it seems possible, now, to make a Canon 30Mp FF sensor with 7/8 fps that could also shoot 10/12 fps in a 1.3x crop mode (at 16/20 Mp). That would combine both the D4 and D4s for versatility and utility. Canon could make such a body in 7D size (internal battery at reduced fps) while offering an "industrial strength" vertical grip/battery booster/wireless link (as a package and/or accessory).
That would cover sports, BIF, fashion/magazine and general use pretty well. The extra cost of FF fab could surely be covered by the increased sales volume. Presently, to cover all these bases I maintain an 4 body inventory (D3, 5D MkII, 1DsMkII and 50D).
That's to say it seems possible, now, to make a Canon 30Mp FF sensor with 7/8 fps that could also shoot 10/12 fps in a 1.3x crop mode (at 16/20 Mp). That would combine both the D4 and D4s for versatility and utility. Canon could make such a body in 7D size (internal battery at reduced fps) while offering an "industrial strength" vertical grip/battery booster/wireless link (as a package and/or accessory).
That would cover sports, BIF, fashion/magazine and general use pretty well. The extra cost of FF fab could surely be covered by the increased sales volume. Presently, to cover all these bases I maintain an 4 body inventory (D3, 5D MkII, 1DsMkII and 50D).
Sep 07, 2009 at 09:32 AM
p.33 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
dcmiller wrote:
They certainly don't decide on a cameras specs three years in advance. They finalize a camera less then a year before it's released. No electronics firm could stay in business with the production cycle suggested.
The D300 greatly influenced what Canon released in the 7D. They would never put the quality AF in the 7D unless forced to by Nikon. They wouldn't do 8fps either.
Agreed. It probably takes between 1 and 2 years (a'la the 50d being incremental over the 40d, and only a 1 year span)
They certainly don't decide on a cameras specs three years in advance. They finalize a camera less then a year before it's released. No electronics firm could stay in business with the production cycle suggested.
The D300 greatly influenced what Canon released in the 7D. They would never put the quality AF in the 7D unless forced to by Nikon. They wouldn't do 8fps either.
Agreed. It probably takes between 1 and 2 years (a'la the 50d being incremental over the 40d, and only a 1 year span)
Sep 07, 2009 at 09:53 AM
p.33 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
The 7D looks tempting as an improvement over the 50D's AF abilities.
I have been moderately disappointed in the 50D's AF performance on moving targets--such as my dogs when they are running. I have tried AF center point AIS and it seems to me that the camera has a hard time keeping up with them. Oddly shooting at a Cal football scrimmage yielded much better results (maybe because the way football players move is more predictable than the way dogs move).
Be that as it may, I have a hard time figuring out whether the AF disappointment I have relates to the number of AF points or the speed of the AIS system. The 7D seems to fix the first but not the second. I am not sure whether my problem with the running dogs is an AF point issue or AIS speed issue.
So then the question becomes whether the 7D really is worth the bother or whether one must simply wait for the next 1D generation.
I have been moderately disappointed in the 50D's AF performance on moving targets--such as my dogs when they are running. I have tried AF center point AIS and it seems to me that the camera has a hard time keeping up with them. Oddly shooting at a Cal football scrimmage yielded much better results (maybe because the way football players move is more predictable than the way dogs move).
Be that as it may, I have a hard time figuring out whether the AF disappointment I have relates to the number of AF points or the speed of the AIS system. The 7D seems to fix the first but not the second. I am not sure whether my problem with the running dogs is an AF point issue or AIS speed issue.
So then the question becomes whether the 7D really is worth the bother or whether one must simply wait for the next 1D generation.
Sep 07, 2009 at 10:17 AM
p.33 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
droopy1592 wrote:
Hell, I'd just be happy if Canon re-released the old 5D with just live-view, better bigger LCD, and lens microadjust.
+1
Or better yet toss me a firmware bone that has microadjust for my two 5D Classics.
I asked the canon rep the other day about this & he replied that's not happening. "No more firmware upgrade(s) for 5D"
Hell, I'd just be happy if Canon re-released the old 5D with just live-view, better bigger LCD, and lens microadjust.
+1
Or better yet toss me a firmware bone that has microadjust for my two 5D Classics.
I asked the canon rep the other day about this & he replied that's not happening. "No more firmware upgrade(s) for 5D"
Sep 07, 2009 at 10:27 AM