The fellow is comparing 100% crops between the D700 and 7D. I don't think its a valid comparison since he would have to compare a 7D at 66% crop against a D700 at 100% crop.
rsg_1 wrote:
The fellow is comparing 100% crops between the D700 and 7D. I don't think its a valid comparison since he would have to compare a 7D at 66% crop against a D700 at 100% crop.
He seems to have updated the post with results from D700 and 200-400 lens and they look quite impressive in similar situations.
But I am still not getting an answer if he's really using Spot-AF in Servo (not recommended by Canon for such stuff) on all these moving shots which he has missed....
Amazing how much cleaner the ISO is with DPP than LR. Yes I know LR is a beta profile. I did make a custom 7d profile with the DNG editor, but didnt help noise.
Comparing those two, I'd actually take the LR version anytime. Someone hit the DPP-conversion with a REALLY big & heavy NR-stick (with or without you telling it to do so...). Several times. Really hard. And managed to erase any detail resolution remaining behind the noise in the process.
theSuede wrote:
Comparing those two, I'd actually take the LR version anytime. Someone hit the DPP-conversion with a REALLY big & heavy NR-stick (with or without you telling it to do so...). Several times. Really hard. And managed to erase any detail resolution remaining behind the noise in the process.
Agreed. DPP's default behavior is to duplicate the in-camera NR settings, but you can turn this off. With NR disabled, I find that generally DPP does not muck up the noise signature at higher ISOs in the way that Adobe's tools do.
stiksandstones wrote:
Amazing how much cleaner the ISO is with DPP than LR. Yes I know LR is a beta profile. I did make a custom 7d profile with the DNG editor, but didnt help noise.
3200iso
100% crop
LR on left, DPP on right
www.craigglaspell.com/3200iso.jpg
I find that running 7D ACR files through NIK DFine for noise reduction yields a very nice file (with good sharpness and detail) ... the only problems I'm having is bad color in ACR.
theSuede wrote:
Comparing those two, I'd actually take the LR version anytime. Someone hit the DPP-conversion with a REALLY big & heavy NR-stick (with or without you telling it to do so...). Several times. Really hard. And managed to erase any detail resolution remaining behind the noise in the process.
On DPP I have NR set to zero. And the other poster said it is trying to do what I had set in camera? how can I turn any NR off on the 7d, I don't see a menu item for this.
bobbyz wrote:
He seems to have updated the post with results from D700 and 200-400 lens and they look quite impressive in similar situations.
I really don't think his issue is user error. I suspect he has a legitmate problem sample. It's certainly premature to extrapolate his experience to every 7D, but it will good to see other reports for BIF. Some of the sports action sequences posted here do seem to indicate the camera is basically competent for tracking motion.
I also prefer the LightRoom conversion... it's not a blotchy noise at all. Nice and grainy without loss of detail. I'd put the LR shot through a bit of dfine (very light!) and call it a day. Should print up nicely.
stiksandstones wrote:
On DPP I have NR set to zero. And the other poster said it is trying to do what I had set in camera? how can I turn any NR off on the 7d, I don't see a menu item for this.
In the Preferences dialog there is an option to set the default NR for images, which can either "apply camera settings" or be a value you choose.
However, DPP will not apply the new default values to any existing images that already have settings applied, or any images in the current browsing session. If you have not modified any images, you can just exit and restart, or to get the new settings to stick, select images and choose "restore as-shot settings" using the menu command. If you have made other changes you don't want to lose, then you must manually update the NR sliders for all images. Just select all thumbnails in the Main window, open the Tools palette, and change the NR to suit.
garyvot wrote:
I really don't think his issue is user error. I suspect he has a legitmate problem sample. It's certainly premature to extrapolate his experience to every 7D, but it will good to see other reports for BIF. Some of the sports action sequences posted here do seem to indicate the camera is basically competent for tracking motion.
I understand your point. It is after all a new AF for Canon, but that said, we don't know his C.Fn-III settings and the use of Spot AF in AI Servo mode. For BIF, I would tend to be inclined to what Conrad Tan here on FM, and others like PetKal, have to say.
To the extent of the 7D being tested for AF capability, I wonder how many other cameras under $2000 are being evaluated. Like it or not, there is a price vs. performance issue. I wonder how the D300s or A700 or A850 would work for BIF?
It might be a bit to much, as it is very accurate. This will make everyday shooting a bit more cumbersome as sensitivity to WB and mixed temperature lightsources increases. But as I said, when you nail it, everything clicks. It really makes a difference. Be aware that you will probably want to use higher WB temperatures than before, as I've taken care of the yellow-orange-red hue rotation.
I'm working on a "soft edged" version that's not that sensitive to shooter errors, and a studio strobe version to shave with.
rsg_1 wrote:
I understand your point. It is after all a new AF for Canon, but that said, we don't know his C.Fn-III settings and the use of Spot AF in AI Servo mode. For BIF, I would tend to be inclined to what Conrad Tan here on FM, and others like PetKal, have to say.
But we all know that PetKal uses trained birds, and Conrad shoots so much he's bound to get a few keepers!
stiksandstones wrote:
On DPP I have NR set to zero. And the other poster said it is trying to do what I had set in camera? how can I turn any NR off on the 7d, I don't see a menu item for this.
