garyvot wrote:
+1. 'AI Focus' doesn't exist on the 1-series cameras and I think a lot of photographers either don't know what this is or consider it a gimmick. This is the mode I shoot in whenever I'm not shooting something that I know will require AI Servo.
Thanks. I'll try doing the lock on with Focus Servo. Absolutely tough conditions for shooting using AI Servo for sure. Unfortuanately that is what the conditions were when I tested the AI Servo. I tried using the 120L, 85L, and 70-300, all the same results. The targets were my yard deer so they were close by but they stay on the inner edge of the woods when I'm outside. Good for practice.
Thanks again,
Gil
garyvot wrote:
+1. 'AI Focus' doesn't exist on the 1-series cameras and I think a lot of photographers either don't know what this is or consider it a gimmick. This is the mode I shoot in whenever I'm not shooting something that I know will require AI Servo.
A few years back, I think shortly after the 20D came out, I remember reading a discussion here about Servo modes. At the time AI Focus was considered useless, perhaps then it was. I suspect it has been improved.
Gil
Ive had mine since Friday, and havent had a chance to use it much.
I've gotten used to the Nikon way of doing things and in comparison, the Canon doesnt seem as intuitive (opinion and familiar ground).
I do miss the ISO control option from the Nikon's. That feature is just much better implemented in the Nikon's, unless I havent figured out how to apply it on the 7d.
Due to lack of software available to handle RAW files from the camera, I've only been able to load it into the beta support version of Lightroom, and the noise characteristics are just not to my liking. Hoping that this improves with the final version.
The autofocus AI Servo is quite fidgety, a little more so than the D300s and D700 on a busy background, though this was from a very short session that I had the camera.
The video is better, but I hardly use that feature. If video is any consideration, I would pick the 7d any day over the Nikons.
I'm hoping to get a hang of the settings this week and shoot some BIF before deciding to sell or keep the camera. So far, I'm inclined to sell and get a refurb D700, but this isn't because the 7d isnt a great camera (or not), but mostly because I just prefer the way Nikon does things.
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Why wasn’t the new camera named 60D? Because the 7D is considered to be the start of a new series in the EOS line-up. It ranks higher than xxD models like the 50D, just as the 50D ranks higher than the 500D even though both have APS-C sensors with the same resolution.
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Why wasn’t the new camera named 60D? Because the 7D is considered to be the start of a new series in the EOS line-up. It ranks higher than xxD models like the 50D, just as the 50D ranks higher than the 500D even though both have APS-C sensors with the same resolution.
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That's what the man says so I guess I have crow to eat. Still, until it hits the shelves...........
I guess they released the 7D prior to the 60D since people would have jumped on the 60D (like me) and if they then released the 7D, people would have been PO'd. I sure would have. I still suspect that IF the 60D IS released, sales will be slow with the 7D out there.
vchowdhary wrote:
Ive had mine since Friday, and havent had a chance to use it much.
I've gotten used to the Nikon way of doing things and in comparison, the Canon doesnt seem as intuitive (opinion and familiar ground).
I do miss the ISO control option from the Nikon's. That feature is just much better implemented in the Nikon's, unless I havent figured out how to apply it on the 7d.
Due to lack of software available to handle RAW files from the camera, I've only been able to load it into the beta support version of Lightroom, and the noise characteristics are just not to my liking. Hoping that this improves with the final version.
The autofocus AI Servo is quite fidgety, a little more so than the D300s and D700 on a busy background, though this was from a very short session that I had the camera.
The video is better, but I hardly use that feature. If video is any consideration, I would pick the 7d any day over the Nikons.
I'm hoping to get a hang of the settings this week and shoot some BIF before deciding to sell or keep the camera. So far, I'm inclined to sell and get a refurb D700, but this isn't because the 7d isnt a great camera (or not), but mostly because I just prefer the way Nikon does things.
I saw a post by Romy (Liquidstone) on DPR, where he stated that he had a bit of problem with BIF with a busy background, but not in the clear with the 7D pre release model he had. I suspect the busy background is part of my problem. I am hoping the AI Focus may help. OTW, focus has been great and images very good.
P.S. try the canon DPP, the images look better than the LR and PS beta ACR IMO.
Gil_W wrote:
I saw a post by Romy (Liquidstone) on DPR, where he stated that he had a bit of problem with BIF with a busy background, but not in the clear with the 7D pre release model he had. I suspect the busy background is part of my problem. I am hoping the AI Focus may help. OTW, focus has been great and images very good.
P.S. try the canon DPP, the images look better than the LR and PS beta ACR IMO.
Thanks for the info/tips. Going to give DPP a try.
Hopefully it wont be raining this weekend
I guess I have lower expectations for the 7D than many others here. I see it as a light weight $1700usd second body to a 1D series. Not a match or replacement. Once the complex AF set up is sorted and we get a handle on noise should be a very popular camera. Still pretty early, heck haven't even had the first firmware update.
Gil_W wrote:
A few years back, I think shortly after the 20D came out, I remember reading a discussion here about Servo modes. At the time AI Focus was considered useless, perhaps then it was. I suspect it has been improved.
Gil
In AI Focus, you're simply giving the camera the ability to decide when to switch from One Shot to AI Servo mode. I don't suspect that the decision will always be the correct one. I always choose One Shot or AI Servo depending on my situation.
The Canon EOS 7D + 15-85 IS combo looks very promising. I took some 300 images and some video footage on Sunday in Tokyo but no time to process yet. This image is a JPG straight from the camera, resized and slightly sharpened in PS. I've been shooting with EOS 1 cameras in the last several years and I'm insanely impressed with 7D now.
-mirek
Rusty1 wrote:
I guess I have lower expectations for the 7D than many others here. I see it as a light weight $1700usd second body to a 1D series. Not a match or replacement. Once the complex AF set up is sorted and we get a handle on noise should be a very popular camera. Still pretty early, heck haven't even had the first firmware update.
For some this would be a good 1D back up. I had hoped it would be my mkIIn replacement, but as it turns out...not yet.
I agree about the firmware and at least there is no darn black dots. Lots of neat features on this cam especially with AF. Perhaps too many?
paulfeng wrote:
Troutstreaming - Thanks for these.
Seattle's my hometown, and I am sorry to have missed (possibly) Griffey's last game. But I do get to go to the Twins' tiebreaker vs. Detroit on Tuesday...
Ok, back to the photos - just to make sure, your "normal routine for post-processing proof galleries" did not add any more NR to that provided by 'standard' in-camera NR? And, I suppose, if anything, the sharpening would increase the visibility of noise? Well then... these look great! Thanks again for posting them. I can't wait to get my 7. (<-- I'm trying to be on the leading edge of the acknowledgement of the digital era, and will [try] henceforth to only refer to it by its number)...Show more →
To all thanks all for the kind words.
With respect to noise reduction - sorry for the delay, I just got home and on the computer.
These were processed in DxO Optics Pro and its noise reduction is profile based and there is not yet a '7' profile so I do not believe it is doing any noise reduction. When I go in and look at the 'options' with just 7D images loaded for processing the noise reduction panel is not there. As soon as a profile is released I will dump the in-camera noise reduction so that when I make prints I can perform all of my own optimizations in Photoshop, but after years of playing with multi-stage workflows for my proof galleries I settled on DxO as an acceptable one stop batch processing routine for when I really need to turn images in volume.
I will be shooting a 1 pm DII soccer match tomorrow in bright sunlight so for at least one half will see how the AF and metering perform with backlighting.
I read that in the 7D manual and in my case wth the low light AI Servo issue, the Spot AF is not the issue or used at all initially. I've tried all AF modes but started with single point.
Tom_W wrote:
In AI Focus, you're simply giving the camera the ability to decide when to switch from One Shot to AI Servo mode. I don't suspect that the decision will always be the correct one. I always choose One Shot or AI Servo depending on my situation.
Don't know, but there is no reason at all to use AI Focus when what you want is One Shot.
Just when the AI servo doesn't work (too little light), I prefer that the camera says "Sorry, no servo" rather than "Sorry, no focus".
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I don't even own one and I wouldn't use spot AF for AI servo. Canon specifically say it will be slower than normal AF.
I checked and this was the person I saw shooting over at Half Moon Bay. I was with my 500mm f4 but the hawks were too far out. There were bunch of guys chasing 2-3 hawks in the fields but they were kind of far and being windy and cold I left as now-a-days I won't shoot unless I am filling atleast 1/2 of my viewfinder with my subject. No point running around and clicking, IMHO. I would have loved if they showed comparison shots taken at that time with 1 series in similar situations. My 1dmk2 and 500mm f4 didn't do well in couple of shots that I took.
