joekraft wrote:
I'd bet there will not be a 1Dx, 3Dx, 5Dx, 7Dx and XXd camera on the market simultaneously. Something has to give, or they would need to significantly differentiate the models.
That's why I like the idea of the 5DII being the last 5D, and then they introduce a 7Ds
Tim Speciale wrote:
That's why I like the idea of the 5DII being the last 5D, and then they introduce a 7Ds
Does it really matter what it is called? 3D or 5Dmkiii or 7Ds?
Canon seems to have two pro level bodies with a single number 1 - 1Ds3/1d3
They have consumer level - let's say the rebel series aka XXXD and the XXD - 450d/50d
and they now have a "real" prosumer level - 5D/7D
six price points, for three types of photographers, depending on the features and body type you want.
each level of body will need to be upgraded over time as technology changes, so it makes sense that the next 5D (mkiii or 7Ds or 3D) will get the new features they've developed for the 7D, plus full frame and maybe a couple of reserved additions, doesn't it?
4 once i'm glad i waited aka 50D. i like the 7D specs & will be adding it to my arsenal. when the 5D MKIII, yes, 5D MKIII is introduced i will be adding it 2.
Huh I've been here a long time and I've never, not once, heard anyone with a modicum of knowledge suggest that the 5 series was the 3 series. Canon has had this line up for a long time. The EOS 3 came out in 1998/9. Canon had the 1 series, the 3 series, the A2 (5 series outside US) and the elan II/e which was in effect the 7 series. The elan IIs were replaced with the elan 7 and the 5 series, if I remember right, was discontinued in 2000-2001.
The imaginary 3D was always going to be a camera above the XXD and below the 1D. It was logically going to have 1.6x sensor. It was hopefully going to have 8fps. It was logically going to have less than 45 AF points (due to the likely smaller sensor).
The 5D has nothing to do with this...the 7D, is the 3D.
The 7d is not now, nor has it ever been, a 3d or EOS 3 level camera. I think you need to go back and research the "3 level" camera and why it is that people wanted one. I remember the excitement surrounding this camera when it was released.
The concept of a 1.6x (i.e., technically compromised camera) body as a 3d is pretty much nutz... Sorry, I have to ask. Do you just make this stuff up because it isn't even remotely close to reality
LightShow wrote:
FF cameras are becoming very popular, competition is heating up.
Nikon has, what? 3, soon to be 4? FF cameras.
Sony has 3? with the newest one coming in at $2k
Canon has 2, one @ $7k, and one @ $3k(plus or minus a few hundred) & both have 21Mp.
and IMHO that's not much of a selection.
And I don't think Canon will hand over the remaining FF market to Sony and Nikon.
so that leaves 4 possible outcomes...
1) The 1D goes FF, there will be some happy and some mad at the change.(IMHO)
2) Canon adds a 3rd 1D to the lineup (FF ~12Mp 10fps)1D3k(One D3 Killer)
3) The 3D (7D but FF)
4) A 60Ds entry level FF ...Show more →
#2 would be way late, it would arrive just as nikon would be getting to maybe twice the MP at high speed IMO
#3 they wont do until they do a crazy high MP 1Ds first
Tim Speciale wrote:
The imaginary 3D that everyone has been clamoring for was never going to fall between the 5D and the 1D. The imaginary 3D has been around long before the 5D. Then when the 5D came out people pondered whether or not that was the imaginary 3D.
It wasn't.
The imaginary 3D was always going to be a camera above the XXD and below the 1D. It was logically going to have 1.6x sensor. It was hopefully going to have 8fps. It was logically going to have less than 45 AF points (due to the likely smaller sensor).
The 5D has nothing to do with this...the 7D, is the 3D....Show more →
The 7D looks like a great camera, pending more info about image quality. I won't get one because I prefer full frame, but to me it offers significant messages regarding the 5D3. I think the latter will come out before the end of 2010 due to competitive pressure.
gdanmitchell wrote:
There is more than a bit of nonsense in your post. ;-)
No further comment needed I think.
Nonsense? OK, pal, share your wisdom. Tell us what the truth is...
here's the challenge; prove me wrong on one point... This I've got to read.
How about a resounding defense of the untenable 5d2 perhaps. I can't wait....I'll laugh at everything you write... This is going to be a joke filled with drivel and nonsense. I can't wait... no further comment necessary....
I think it matters to Canon what they are called, they have a definite structure. IMO the 7 series will only be crop, the 5 series and 3 series (if it ever arrives) will only be FF (I can't see 1.3x crop in a 3 series). The model progression is 1D > 3D > 5D > 7D and I think this price structure will always be maintained. There won't be a FF 7Ds for example as that would be dearer than the 5D II. You would at least need a 5D III or 3D.
No one at all predicted the 7D being what was released. I had always thought it would be an entry level FF, essentially a update of the 5D. So I'm no longer conceding the 3 series is dead and buried.
The 7D looks great, but some of you are getting a little nutty.
The 5DII sensor is twice th size of the 7D. Obviously people will pay a premium for it. Because of the small sensor, the viewfinder is smaller.
As far as movies being an afterthought, this is the main reason L primes are in short supply. Video is the hottest area Canon has going.
The 5DII is a year old. By the numbering system a 7 series is a lesser camera than a 5 series. For many people the 7D will be a better value. But an awful lot of photogs have been willing to pay a large premium for a full size sensor. It's going to be awfully hard for people to go back to that tiny 1.6x viewfinder.
I think the 5D and 7D make a great pair. The 7D has the smallest pixels to date. We'll have to see how it holds up.
Pelao wrote:
The 7D looks like a great camera, pending more info about image quality. I won't get one because I prefer full frame, but to me it offers significant messages regarding the 5D3. I think the latter will come out before the end of 2010 due to competitive pressure.
What pressure? Canon is selling tons of cameras and lenses. A great many directors and DP's have bought 5DII to play with. It was the talk of the National Association of Broadcaster convention, and it has nothing to do with TV.
Still photography is maturing and all these cameras are capable of taking great photos. Nikon and Sony are scrambling to figure out what to do.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I think it matters to Canon what they are called, they have a definite structure. IMO the 7 series will only be crop, the 5 series and 3 series (if it ever arrives) will only be FF (I can't see 1.3x crop in a 3 series). The model progression is 1D > 3D > 5D > 7D and I think this price structure will always be maintained. There won't be a FF 7Ds for example as that would be dearer than the 5D II. You would at least need a 5D III or 3D.
No one at all predicted the 7D being what was released. I had always thought it would be an entry level FF, essentially a update of the 5D. So I'm no longer conceding the 3 series is dead and buried. ...Show more →
But doesn't 3D have to be the 1Ds in a small body? It seems that those two cameras would be too close. Why have a 1Ds at all?
`
If canon did have a lineup of 1x, 3x, 5x, 7x: High level, what do you see that being, I mean in terms of what each line would represent. Would there still be the XXd line?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I think it matters to Canon what they are called, they have a definite structure. IMO the 7 series will only be crop, the 5 series and 3 series (if it ever arrives) will only be FF (I can't see 1.3x crop in a 3 series). The model progression is 1D > 3D > 5D > 7D and I think this price structure will always be maintained. There won't be a FF 7Ds for example as that would be dearer than the 5D II. You would at least need a 5D III or 3D.
No one at all predicted the 7D being what was released. I had always thought it would be an entry level FF, essentially a update of the 5D. So I'm no longer conceding the 3 series is dead and buried. ...Show more →
I've been here a long time and I've never, not once, heard anyone with a modicum of knowledge suggest that the 5 series was the 3 series. Canon has had this line up for a long time. The EOS 3 came out in 1998/9. Canon had the 1 series, the 3 series, the A2 (5 series outside US) and the elan II/e which was in effect the 7 series. The elan IIs were replaced with the elan 7 and the 5 series, if I remember right, was discontinued in 2000-2001.
This is going to be a joke filled with drivel and nonsense. I can't wait... no further comment necessary....