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p.4 #17d for weddings?
RyanFlynn wrote:
that's the problem. people will buy it because "zomg, it has a reasonably decent (on paper) AF! and it's weather sealed! and 18 MILLION PIXELS!11!".
they don't sit down and realize that Nikon has better cameras for the same, or less, money. and have had them for a year or two now.
Nikon has a better camera than the 7D for less money? I must've missed it.
imaging if canon actually put a pro-level AF in the 5DII, and priced it $400 higher, and made more of them. i can all but guarantee they'd be sold out month after month after month.
No doubt. Maybe in a year or two
i get the distinct impression that canon is one of those dinosaur companies that has been on, or near, the top of the market for so long, that they don't innovate anymore. they don't see the need to. they make so much money selling the latest Rebel 600D XT3r that the cameras that pro's need/want are simply an afterthought, or a flagship statue to get the wannabe masses to flock to canon's brand.
i maintain that the ONLY reason I shoot canon is because of their L primes.
I would've agreed with you before the 7D, but if you look at the 7D more than skin deep there's a lot to like. This is obviously a response to the D300, but one that trumps it in a few key areas. It's not for everybody, but there's no denying that the 7D is a big jump in many areas compared to what Canon previously offered.
that's the problem. people will buy it because "zomg, it has a reasonably decent (on paper) AF! and it's weather sealed! and 18 MILLION PIXELS!11!".
they don't sit down and realize that Nikon has better cameras for the same, or less, money. and have had them for a year or two now.
Nikon has a better camera than the 7D for less money? I must've missed it.
imaging if canon actually put a pro-level AF in the 5DII, and priced it $400 higher, and made more of them. i can all but guarantee they'd be sold out month after month after month.
No doubt. Maybe in a year or two
i get the distinct impression that canon is one of those dinosaur companies that has been on, or near, the top of the market for so long, that they don't innovate anymore. they don't see the need to. they make so much money selling the latest Rebel 600D XT3r that the cameras that pro's need/want are simply an afterthought, or a flagship statue to get the wannabe masses to flock to canon's brand.
i maintain that the ONLY reason I shoot canon is because of their L primes.
I would've agreed with you before the 7D, but if you look at the 7D more than skin deep there's a lot to like. This is obviously a response to the D300, but one that trumps it in a few key areas. It's not for everybody, but there's no denying that the 7D is a big jump in many areas compared to what Canon previously offered.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:29 PM
p.4 #27d for weddings?
lisy78 wrote:
Besides, all you're getting from a high pixel density crop camera is "crop and magnify" style "resolution". ALL of your lenses will be softer on a 7D than a 5DII (and certainly 5D).
As for the crops you posted, ISO 12800 is a non-standard sensitivity that is so bad that its not even worth using, IMO. 6400 is even sketchy on the 5DII.Actually I'm afraid it's you who missed the point. I didn't say I prefer a crop camera, or that I would switch my 5D out for a 7D.
As far as the "softer" comment... that may be true for some lenses and not true for others. Certainly the 7D should be less "softer" than the 5D2 than the 5D2 was softer than the 5D ... and I don't hear people crying left and right about soft 5D2s. Lenses with much better center area may perform better with a 7D than a 5D2.
I agree that ISO 12800 is marginal. My point wasn't...Show more →
Well sure, its a good thing they have resolved these high ISO issues, but I don't think the ramifications really matter a whole lot, thats all.
deepbluejh wrote
You miss the point. The 5DII being full frame is just as (if not more so) important than the exception high ISO noise performance.Besides, all you're getting from a high pixel density crop camera is "crop and magnify" style "resolution". ALL of your lenses will be softer on a 7D than a 5DII (and certainly 5D).
As for the crops you posted, ISO 12800 is a non-standard sensitivity that is so bad that its not even worth using, IMO. 6400 is even sketchy on the 5DII.
As far as the "softer" comment... that may be true for some lenses and not true for others. Certainly the 7D should be less "softer" than the 5D2 than the 5D2 was softer than the 5D ... and I don't hear people crying left and right about soft 5D2s. Lenses with much better center area may perform better with a 7D than a 5D2.
I agree that ISO 12800 is marginal. My point wasn't...Show more →
Well sure, its a good thing they have resolved these high ISO issues, but I don't think the ramifications really matter a whole lot, thats all.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:29 PM
p.4 #37d for weddings?
lisy78 wrote:
My overarching point however is that it appeared that Canon has figured out how to fix their biggest high iso problem. So the 5DMk3 will likely have the DETAIL you like PLUS the ability to push the $#it out of these files without getting annyong artificial patterns.
It's about time too. Pattern noise has been Canon's image quality Achilles heel for a while.
My overarching point however is that it appeared that Canon has figured out how to fix their biggest high iso problem. So the 5DMk3 will likely have the DETAIL you like PLUS the ability to push the $#it out of these files without getting annyong artificial patterns.
It's about time too. Pattern noise has been Canon's image quality Achilles heel for a while.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:30 PM
p.4 #47d for weddings?
lisy78 wrote:
Are you REALLY going to use ISO 12800 for a gigantoprint? Didn't think so. It may end up as a 4x4 in the album, and you only use it in an emergency and you probably turn it B/W 'cause underexposed one stop at 12800 the colors are just crap.
I just might. I rarely print big outside of albums, but given my shooting style, I do double-trucks at 3200 and 6400 from the 5D1... so yes, I would print fairly large at 12800. then again, I like grain to be there sometimes. for me, shooting high ISO isn't an
Now here's the thing... take the files from Galbraith's site and open the 5d2's ISO 6400 file and the 7D's ISO 12800 file. Push the 5D2's exposure up 2 stops. Push the 7D's exposure 3 stops.
I can't imagine doing this in real life work, so I'll take your word for it.
...Show more →
Are you REALLY going to use ISO 12800 for a gigantoprint? Didn't think so. It may end up as a 4x4 in the album, and you only use it in an emergency and you probably turn it B/W 'cause underexposed one stop at 12800 the colors are just crap.
I just might. I rarely print big outside of albums, but given my shooting style, I do double-trucks at 3200 and 6400 from the 5D1... so yes, I would print fairly large at 12800. then again, I like grain to be there sometimes. for me, shooting high ISO isn't an
Now here's the thing... take the files from Galbraith's site and open the 5d2's ISO 6400 file and the 7D's ISO 12800 file. Push the 5D2's exposure up 2 stops. Push the 7D's exposure 3 stops.
I can't imagine doing this in real life work, so I'll take your word for it.
...Show more →
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:31 PM
p.4 #67d for weddings?
Mike Mahoney wrote:
$1,700 US is a lot of buckos for a cropper.
It's a lot of cropper for the buckos..!
$1,700 US is a lot of buckos for a cropper.
It's a lot of cropper for the buckos..!
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:44 PM
p.4 #77d for weddings?
cordellwillis wrote:
a new release and more complaints.........this will never end
Nothing is for everyone. Just get what YOU need and skip the rest. Why don't we complain about P&S too
SD980IS - 24mm P&S lense!
a new release and more complaints.........this will never end
Nothing is for everyone. Just get what YOU need and skip the rest. Why don't we complain about P&S too
SD980IS - 24mm P&S lense!
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:03 PM
p.4 #87d for weddings?
lisy78 wrote:
stop looking at the files full size. Are you REALLY going to use ISO 12800 for a gigantoprint? Didn't think so. It may end up as a 4x4 in the album, and you only use it in an emergency and you probably turn it B/W 'cause underexposed one stop at 12800 the colors are just crap.
Now here's the thing... take the files from Galbraith's site and open the 5d2's ISO 6400 file and the 7D's ISO 12800 file. Push the 5D2's exposure up 2 stops. Push the 7D's exposure 3 stops.
Which file shows awful pattern noise on the guitarist's arm?...Show more →
It will be interesting to see how the 7D files will hold up in LR.
Some argue that the pattern noise in Canon cameras is caused by the hardware (sensor, etc) itself.
But software (either in-camera or in PP) plays a part in this too. Even if it is only to mask things up a bit. I mean, 50D files aren't as badly affected by noise/colored blotches when converted in DPP, compared to ACR/LR.
RG's sample pics are RAW conversions with DPP.
But fair enough, 5D2 pattern noise/banding shows up in both DPP and ACR/LR.
stop looking at the files full size. Are you REALLY going to use ISO 12800 for a gigantoprint? Didn't think so. It may end up as a 4x4 in the album, and you only use it in an emergency and you probably turn it B/W 'cause underexposed one stop at 12800 the colors are just crap.
Now here's the thing... take the files from Galbraith's site and open the 5d2's ISO 6400 file and the 7D's ISO 12800 file. Push the 5D2's exposure up 2 stops. Push the 7D's exposure 3 stops.
Which file shows awful pattern noise on the guitarist's arm?...Show more →
It will be interesting to see how the 7D files will hold up in LR.
Some argue that the pattern noise in Canon cameras is caused by the hardware (sensor, etc) itself.
But software (either in-camera or in PP) plays a part in this too. Even if it is only to mask things up a bit. I mean, 50D files aren't as badly affected by noise/colored blotches when converted in DPP, compared to ACR/LR.
RG's sample pics are RAW conversions with DPP.
But fair enough, 5D2 pattern noise/banding shows up in both DPP and ACR/LR.
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:14 PM
p.4 #97d for weddings?
Daan B wrote:
Now here's the thing... take the files from Galbraith's site and open the 5d2's ISO 6400 file and the 7D's ISO 12800 file. Push the 5D2's exposure up 2 stops. Push the 7D's exposure 3 stops.
Which file shows awful pattern noise on the guitarist's arm? The 5d2 6400 pushed 2 stops or the 7D's 12800 pushed 3 stops?
My overarching point however is that it appeared that Canon has figured out how to fix their biggest high iso problem. So the 5DMk3 will likely have the DETAIL you like PLUS the ability to push the $#it out of these files without getting annyong artificial patterns.
That's all.
Oh and also the point that the 7D will be TOWERING over the 50D due to this alone.It will be interesting to see how the 7D files will hold up in LR.
Some argue that the pattern noise in Canon cameras is caused by the hardware (sensor, etc) itself.
But software (either in-camera or in PP) plays a part in this too. Even if it is only to mask things up a bit. I mean, 50D files aren't as badly affected by noise/colored blotches when converted in DPP, compared to ACR/LR.
RG's sample pics are RAW conversions with DPP.
But fair enough, 5D2 pattern noise/banding shows up in both DPP and ACR/LR.
Don't even get me started at how pissed off I am at Canon for not SPOONFEEDING adobe with the recipes for getting the most out of their cameras. I must be missing some huge overarching masterplan because I just don't get why they don't just turn the DPP codebase over to the public domain and let Adobe (and the others) have at it.
lisy78 wrote
stop looking at the files full size. Are you REALLY going to use ISO 12800 for a gigantoprint? Didn't think so. It may end up as a 4x4 in the album, and you only use it in an emergency and you probably turn it B/W 'cause underexposed one stop at 12800 the colors are just crap.Now here's the thing... take the files from Galbraith's site and open the 5d2's ISO 6400 file and the 7D's ISO 12800 file. Push the 5D2's exposure up 2 stops. Push the 7D's exposure 3 stops.
Which file shows awful pattern noise on the guitarist's arm? The 5d2 6400 pushed 2 stops or the 7D's 12800 pushed 3 stops?
My overarching point however is that it appeared that Canon has figured out how to fix their biggest high iso problem. So the 5DMk3 will likely have the DETAIL you like PLUS the ability to push the $#it out of these files without getting annyong artificial patterns.
That's all.
Oh and also the point that the 7D will be TOWERING over the 50D due to this alone.
Some argue that the pattern noise in Canon cameras is caused by the hardware (sensor, etc) itself.
But software (either in-camera or in PP) plays a part in this too. Even if it is only to mask things up a bit. I mean, 50D files aren't as badly affected by noise/colored blotches when converted in DPP, compared to ACR/LR.
RG's sample pics are RAW conversions with DPP.
But fair enough, 5D2 pattern noise/banding shows up in both DPP and ACR/LR.
Don't even get me started at how pissed off I am at Canon for not SPOONFEEDING adobe with the recipes for getting the most out of their cameras. I must be missing some huge overarching masterplan because I just don't get why they don't just turn the DPP codebase over to the public domain and let Adobe (and the others) have at it.
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:19 PM
p.4 #117d for weddings?
lisy78 wrote:
Don't even get me started at how pissed off I am at Canon for not SPOONFEEDING adobe with the recipes for getting the most out of their cameras. I must be missing some huge overarching masterplan because I just don't get why they don't just turn the DPP codebase over to the public domain and let Adobe (and the others) have at it.
The answer can be found in my above comment re: Canon intelligence. Best not to expect too much from a team with an IQ quotient that hovers around room temperature.
Don't even get me started at how pissed off I am at Canon for not SPOONFEEDING adobe with the recipes for getting the most out of their cameras. I must be missing some huge overarching masterplan because I just don't get why they don't just turn the DPP codebase over to the public domain and let Adobe (and the others) have at it.
The answer can be found in my above comment re: Canon intelligence. Best not to expect too much from a team with an IQ quotient that hovers around room temperature.
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:32 PM
p.4 #127d for weddings?
I've never presented an image beyond 1600 ISO to a client. 1600 is RARE. Serious.
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:34 PM
p.4 #137d for weddings?
Sam Hassas wrote:
I've never presented an image beyond 1600 ISO to a client. 1600 is RARE. Serious.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/ixoye/3190177988_8df7f84958.jpg
I've never presented an image beyond 1600 ISO to a client. 1600 is RARE. Serious.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/ixoye/3190177988_8df7f84958.jpg
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:37 PM
p.4 #147d for weddings?
RyanFlynn wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/ixoye/3190177988_8df7f84958.jpg
I lolzed.
Sam Hassas wrote
I've never presented an image beyond 1600 ISO to a client. 1600 is RARE. Serious.I lolzed.
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:39 PM
p.4 #157d for weddings?
One think I think will happen with the 7D is that you won't be using teleconverters much. I can see a difference with a 40D on a 500f4 and 1.4x, and at 18megapixels on the 7D, it's really got to show.
Sep 01, 2009 at 03:11 PM
p.4 #167d for weddings?
scott f wrote:
One think I think will happen with the 7D is that you won't be using teleconverters much. I can see a difference with a 40D on a 500f4 and 1.4x, and at 18megapixels on the 7D, it's really got to show.
Don't have 40d but looking at 7d. Can you please explain what you mean here about not using the TC?
Thanks.
One think I think will happen with the 7D is that you won't be using teleconverters much. I can see a difference with a 40D on a 500f4 and 1.4x, and at 18megapixels on the 7D, it's really got to show.
Don't have 40d but looking at 7d. Can you please explain what you mean here about not using the TC?
Thanks.
Sep 01, 2009 at 03:33 PM
p.4 #177d for weddings?
RyanFlynn wrote:
The answer can be found in my above comment re: Canon intelligence. Best not to expect too much from a team with an IQ quotient that hovers around room temperature.
yeah, they most be stupid to be able to make a profit in these economic times and have over $15,000 of your money
It could be worse...Canon could make Tshirts...
http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2008/08/urine-tshirt.jpg
lisy78 wrote
Don't even get me started at how pissed off I am at Canon for not SPOONFEEDING adobe with the recipes for getting the most out of their cameras. I must be missing some huge overarching masterplan because I just don't get why they don't just turn the DPP codebase over to the public domain and let Adobe (and the others) have at it.yeah, they most be stupid to be able to make a profit in these economic times and have over $15,000 of your money
It could be worse...Canon could make Tshirts...
http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2008/08/urine-tshirt.jpg
Sep 01, 2009 at 03:38 PM
p.4 #187d for weddings?
OH snapz. 5D mk2 vs 7D thread emerging right here.
You guys are all lame. Everyone knows that the ultimate camera for weddings is the upcoming 8D. I just heard the specs from someone who works at Canon:
35 MP FF sensor
15 fps
ISO range from 5 - 512,000
full weather sealing
Works with all Ef-s lenses
4' LCD screen with 920,000 dpi
full 1080p video
built in light meter
shoots in Jpeg, Raw, sRaw, and the new bRAW mode
Built in Image stabilizing button
Flare button to instantly add flare to your shots
a new hooking system to hang your Fongsphere when not being used
46 Custom functions, including Uncle Bob mode
...
and those are just the tip of the iceberg...
You guys are all lame. Everyone knows that the ultimate camera for weddings is the upcoming 8D. I just heard the specs from someone who works at Canon:
35 MP FF sensor
15 fps
ISO range from 5 - 512,000
full weather sealing
Works with all Ef-s lenses
4' LCD screen with 920,000 dpi
full 1080p video
built in light meter
shoots in Jpeg, Raw, sRaw, and the new bRAW mode
Built in Image stabilizing button
Flare button to instantly add flare to your shots
a new hooking system to hang your Fongsphere when not being used
46 Custom functions, including Uncle Bob mode
...
and those are just the tip of the iceberg...
Sep 01, 2009 at 04:53 PM
p.4 #197d for weddings?
I'd like to point out that several of the features I made up in my fake Canon 1DmkV ad seem to be coming to realization.....
electronic overlay technology anyone
http://www.pbase.com/dropcivc/image/109140146.jpg
electronic overlay technology anyone
http://www.pbase.com/dropcivc/image/109140146.jpg
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:57 PM