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p.3 #1the d300s killer
I would have seriously looked at the Canon but I can't fathom how Canon could have possibly given RG a body....even a beta body, that didn't focus perfectly.
I don't get it.
Also...I'm really unimpressed with the IQ I've seen on line so far.
I don't get it.
Also...I'm really unimpressed with the IQ I've seen on line so far.
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:08 AM
p.3 #2the d300s killer
See, the 7D has not shipped yet. The chip in the obsolete cams like the 50D and D300 are not set to explode until 17 minutes after the first 7d ships. Then ... only then ... will all have been killed.
The wise would get out and shoot a few last frames. I can understand crying as you contemplate the end - when just a few wonderful months ago you thought it would be forever - this time; forever. But on the Canon side, remember the dang things aren't water sealed and you may end up with a brick a few days early. So control yourself!
The wise would get out and shoot a few last frames. I can understand crying as you contemplate the end - when just a few wonderful months ago you thought it would be forever - this time; forever. But on the Canon side, remember the dang things aren't water sealed and you may end up with a brick a few days early. So control yourself!
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:16 AM
p.3 #3the d300s killer
millsart wrote:
Canon certainly did have a dominance in the sports market since the original 1D, but historically overall Nikon's always dominated the pro market until the recent era, and now with great tools like the D3 its more evenly mixed.
Well, we're getting OT, and this isn't to bash either brand, but your statement is incorrect. Canon began dominating in the 80's and hasn't looked back. There's no doubt that Nikon created some excellent gear in the F5, and the current D3 series, but it's simply a fact that Canon has dominated the pro & sports market for 20+ years.
In the 70's and 80's and into the 90's Nikon F bodies were the standard professional tool. It was only with the emergence of digital technology and Canon really having superior products to Nikon did we see Canon take a lead with the sports and news markets.
I liked the F5 too, but Canon has dominated because it provided the lenses. Nikon is still trying to catch up, and while it has made great strides, there's no doubt among anyone that knows both lines that Canon offers a larger selection. Nikon also couldn't touch Canon's IS for the longest time and this was a huge deal-killer.
I agree with you that Nikon's are as stylish as Canon but frankly think they work far better in the field. Mechanical switches and buttons are so much easier to work with verses having a really streamlined design with just a couple of buttons but that requires more getting into menu's and looking at status displays.
. Actually, I don't like Nikon aesthetics. never have and the F3 drove me crazy some times. 
I was shooting some climbing photos tethered to the side of a cliff and being able to use those mechanical switches to make changes proved very useful over the Canon gear I was used to shooting.
Boy did I hate having to flip that lever/switch to use some lenses.
Canon certainly did have a dominance in the sports market since the original 1D, but historically overall Nikon's always dominated the pro market until the recent era, and now with great tools like the D3 its more evenly mixed.
Well, we're getting OT, and this isn't to bash either brand, but your statement is incorrect. Canon began dominating in the 80's and hasn't looked back. There's no doubt that Nikon created some excellent gear in the F5, and the current D3 series, but it's simply a fact that Canon has dominated the pro & sports market for 20+ years.
In the 70's and 80's and into the 90's Nikon F bodies were the standard professional tool. It was only with the emergence of digital technology and Canon really having superior products to Nikon did we see Canon take a lead with the sports and news markets.
I liked the F5 too, but Canon has dominated because it provided the lenses. Nikon is still trying to catch up, and while it has made great strides, there's no doubt among anyone that knows both lines that Canon offers a larger selection. Nikon also couldn't touch Canon's IS for the longest time and this was a huge deal-killer.
I agree with you that Nikon's are as stylish as Canon but frankly think they work far better in the field. Mechanical switches and buttons are so much easier to work with verses having a really streamlined design with just a couple of buttons but that requires more getting into menu's and looking at status displays.
. Actually, I don't like Nikon aesthetics. never have and the F3 drove me crazy some times. I was shooting some climbing photos tethered to the side of a cliff and being able to use those mechanical switches to make changes proved very useful over the Canon gear I was used to shooting.
Boy did I hate having to flip that lever/switch to use some lenses.
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:24 AM
p.3 #4the d300s killer
If I was a canon shooter I would be upset. If the canon 7D was full frame you would have something. Again they force you to really buy the pro series for the improved AF and FF. With the D700 we get all that. I am glad I went with Nikon. It just makes so much sense in my hands and for the pictures I take.
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:25 AM
p.3 #6the d300s killer
Marc Kurth wrote:
I've never understood how one camera kills another.
Well, I sort of dropped my Linhof 4x5 on my Ixus 40. It died.
Of course, Ixus is a Canon, so who knows... 
I've never understood how one camera kills another.
Well, I sort of dropped my Linhof 4x5 on my Ixus 40. It died.
Of course, Ixus is a Canon, so who knows... Sep 01, 2009 at 11:20 AM
p.3 #7the d300s killer
Tobin28 wrote:
If I was a canon shooter I would be upset. If the canon 7D was full frame you would have something. Again they force you to really buy the pro series for the improved AF and FF.
This is the normal model stratification in Canon land. Time will tell if we see a 5D with this body build and AF.
This is the first time in recent memory a Canon body below the 1 series and above the entry level SLR's has gone head to head with a Nikon model. That is very exciting to see them compete like that and the price point is amazing.
The low iso shots on Rob Galbraith look excellent, the shot of the white bridge with the 16-35 is very impressive. The white noise spots in the shadows of the high ISO shots looks downright awful though and the ISO 1600 dog photo has a rather harsh look to. Almost like it's been over-sharpened. Time will tell though.
What does a 18mp 1.6x crop equate to in FF/FX terms if that sensor was to grow?
If I was a canon shooter I would be upset. If the canon 7D was full frame you would have something. Again they force you to really buy the pro series for the improved AF and FF.
This is the normal model stratification in Canon land. Time will tell if we see a 5D with this body build and AF.
This is the first time in recent memory a Canon body below the 1 series and above the entry level SLR's has gone head to head with a Nikon model. That is very exciting to see them compete like that and the price point is amazing.
The low iso shots on Rob Galbraith look excellent, the shot of the white bridge with the 16-35 is very impressive. The white noise spots in the shadows of the high ISO shots looks downright awful though and the ISO 1600 dog photo has a rather harsh look to. Almost like it's been over-sharpened. Time will tell though.
What does a 18mp 1.6x crop equate to in FF/FX terms if that sensor was to grow?
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:46 AM
p.3 #8the d300s killer
heck, I'm just happy they all are continuing to improve so I have a great selection anytime I want new gear or to change systems to support my needs,,
Derry
Derry
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:28 PM
p.3 #9the d300s killer
Chris Dees wrote:
Finally a prosumer body with pro-features. Still no MLU.
Let's see how the IQ is and how (if) the AF works.
Chris, have a little faith...
Finally a prosumer body with pro-features. Still no MLU.
Let's see how the IQ is and how (if
) the AF works.Chris, have a little faith...
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:30 PM
p.3 #10the d300s killer
I will get excited, really excited when Canon introduces some of the technology that Canon users used to have long ago. Eye control? Pelicle mirror? Oooh ya.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:49 PM
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p.3 #11the d300s killer
You mean you weren't already doing that?
;-)
LeifG wrote:
Does this mean I now have to cary my D200 in a brown paper bag?
;-)
LeifG wrote:
Does this mean I now have to cary my D200 in a brown paper bag?
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:51 PM
p.3 #12the d300s killer
No ... carry that D200 in plain site - loud and proud. Perhaps someone will take pity on you and give you a 14-24 to make life more fair. 
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:53 PM
p.3 #13the d300s killer
"Killer" or not, Nikon users will benefit indirectly from this camera, although I wouldn't use that term though . The same situation will happen to Canon users when Nikon introduces the next camera. There is nothing new in that aspect.
. The same situation will happen to Canon users when Nikon introduces the next camera. There is nothing new in that aspect.Sep 01, 2009 at 01:08 PM
p.3 #15the d300s killer
vchowdhary wrote:
I feel sorry for the 50D users.
I normally feel sorry for most Canon users ZING.
I feel sorry for the 50D users.
I normally feel sorry for most Canon users
ZING. Sep 01, 2009 at 01:31 PM
p.3 #16the d300s killer
Jammy Straub wrote:
I normally feel sorry for most Canon users ZING.
vchowdhary wrote
I feel sorry for the 50D users. ZING. Sep 01, 2009 at 01:41 PM
p.3 #17the d300s killer
Daan B wrote:
Let's see how the IQ is and how (if) the AF works.Chris, have a little faith...
For faith I switched to Nikon.
Chris Dees wrote
Finally a prosumer body with pro-features. Still no MLU.Let's see how the IQ is and how (if
) the AF works.For faith I switched to Nikon.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:47 PM
p.3 #18the d300s killer
Jammy Straub wrote:
This is the normal model stratification in Canon land. Time will tell if we see a 5D with this body build and AF.
...................
That's the biggest limitation in Canon's line-up right now. I do expect the 5D mkIII
or a future 3D will finally provide this. Thank you, Nikon, for forcing Canon's hand
on this.
Ergonomics-wise, I'm very happy with Canon bodies, and I like Canon's choice of
glass (both Canon and various alternative manual focus glass). I'll stay with Canon
for the foreseeable future. Thank's, Nikon, for pushing the Canon behemoth in
the right direction.
Tobin28 wrote
If I was a canon shooter I would be upset. If the canon 7D was full frame you would have something. Again they force you to really buy the pro series for the improved AF and FF....................
That's the biggest limitation in Canon's line-up right now. I do expect the 5D mkIII
or a future 3D will finally provide this. Thank you, Nikon, for forcing Canon's hand
on this.
Ergonomics-wise, I'm very happy with Canon bodies, and I like Canon's choice of
glass (both Canon and various alternative manual focus glass). I'll stay with Canon
for the foreseeable future. Thank's, Nikon, for pushing the Canon behemoth in
the right direction.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:55 PM
p.3 #19the d300s killer
trenchmonkey wrote:
Sorry Paul, but nothin's died over here. Old school D300 still cranks out stuff Canon can't touch...AF that WORKS! 
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/rvrsbnd/DSC_8892-1.jpg
trenchmonkey - Impressive shot there...!!!
Still got my D300 and it works great alongside a D700 and a D1x. If you want to go further back, my Kodak SLRn still puts out really good 14MP images with exquisite detail.
I think Canon has lost their footing and are really desperate to make a come back. 18MP on a crop sensor, when 15MP on a similar body received luke warm reviews, is a bad idea. I certainly do believe they have the capability to make very good camera's and their lenses are really nice. But this megapixel insanity has to stop or slow down a bit. If they had delivered a 12MP SLR with similar specs like 100% viewfinder and HD video, they could have actually one-up'd Nikon.
I switched to Nikon from Canon and still have and use my Canon 1Ds which is a lowly 11MP. But it still does the job well and the images are excellent.
Given the way things are shaping up, a Canon full frame for under $2000 can't be far away. That will level the playing field a bit - with both Nikon and Sony.
Sorry Paul, but nothin's died over here.
Old school D300 still cranks out stuff Canon can't touch...AF that WORKS! http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/rvrsbnd/DSC_8892-1.jpg
trenchmonkey - Impressive shot there...!!!
Still got my D300 and it works great alongside a D700 and a D1x. If you want to go further back, my Kodak SLRn still puts out really good 14MP images with exquisite detail.
I think Canon has lost their footing and are really desperate to make a come back. 18MP on a crop sensor, when 15MP on a similar body received luke warm reviews, is a bad idea. I certainly do believe they have the capability to make very good camera's and their lenses are really nice. But this megapixel insanity has to stop or slow down a bit. If they had delivered a 12MP SLR with similar specs like 100% viewfinder and HD video, they could have actually one-up'd Nikon.
I switched to Nikon from Canon and still have and use my Canon 1Ds which is a lowly 11MP. But it still does the job well and the images are excellent.
Given the way things are shaping up, a Canon full frame for under $2000 can't be far away. That will level the playing field a bit - with both Nikon and Sony.
Sep 01, 2009 at 03:12 PM
p.3 #20the d300s killer
jamesf99 wrote:
Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
That might just might have something to do with USM and IS.
Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
That might just might have something to do with USM and IS.
Sep 01, 2009 at 03:48 PM