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p.2 #1the d300s killer
Yup, ditto.
luminosity wrote:
I don't understand how Canon got with the program with regard to the G11, yet once again is packing too many megapixels into a 1.6 crop sensor. Makes no sense to me.
luminosity wrote:
I don't understand how Canon got with the program with regard to the G11, yet once again is packing too many megapixels into a 1.6 crop sensor. Makes no sense to me.
Sep 01, 2009 at 07:48 AM
p.2 #2the d300s killer
What! Ah, S**t. I just used my D300 on Sunday and all seemed fine, great in fact. I haven't turned it on since and now I am freaking out that I'll find it dead, guts hanging out all over my desk, slaughtered by the formidable 7D. Oh, wait. The 7D is only a D300s killer, I guess I should be fine then. For all of you getting a D300s check to see if it is DOA. 
Seriously though. Looking over the specifications of the 7D I think it looks like Canon has a great camera that FINALLY will be able to compete with the D300/D300s. If I shot with Canon I would be very excited. The 7D video looks like it may be better than the D300s. The 7D has significantly higher resoulution though I am curious to see how this plays out in actual usage (noise characteristics, diffraction noticable at a lower aperature... etc). The autofocus also looks good. In practice it may be slightly better (kinda doubt it), worse, or just different than the D300/D300s.
So the 7D looks like a great camera with some great features. It is definitly provides some good competition to the D300/D300s. I don't think you will see many Pro/Prosumer Nikon users that will 'switch camps' because of this though. Perhaps if anything it will be entry level users looking up the line that will be encouraged to go with Canon because of this new cam.
Seriously though. Looking over the specifications of the 7D I think it looks like Canon has a great camera that FINALLY will be able to compete with the D300/D300s. If I shot with Canon I would be very excited. The 7D video looks like it may be better than the D300s. The 7D has significantly higher resoulution though I am curious to see how this plays out in actual usage (noise characteristics, diffraction noticable at a lower aperature... etc). The autofocus also looks good. In practice it may be slightly better (kinda doubt it), worse, or just different than the D300/D300s.
So the 7D looks like a great camera with some great features. It is definitly provides some good competition to the D300/D300s. I don't think you will see many Pro/Prosumer Nikon users that will 'switch camps' because of this though. Perhaps if anything it will be entry level users looking up the line that will be encouraged to go with Canon because of this new cam.
Sep 01, 2009 at 07:51 AM
p.2 #3the d300s killer
This may be the first glimpse of what the new AF may be in the new Mark IV. I hope Canon got all the bugs ironed out and are back on track with reliable AF. As mentioned a couple of times, competition is good and we as the consumers really benefit from it. One thing is for sure though, the price is attractive.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:03 AM
p.2 #4the d300s killer
The D300s killer? Nah, I don't see a "Nikon Colors" feature listed anywhere in the 7D specs
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:10 AM
p.2 #5the d300s killer
Does this mean I now have to cary my D200 in a brown paper bag?
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:24 AM
p.2 #6the d300s killer
Nikon just needs to get that D700x or D800 or whatever its going to be called to market
I'd say D700 built and ergonomics, along with 24meg FX at 4 FPS (2 FPS in 14bit) and a DX crop mode option for a 12meg image at 8 FPS and a price of $2400 would be about perfect.
Oh, give it a flip out articulating 3" LCD and 1080p HD movie recording with an improved AF over the old 'live view" style.
Now that would be a real "killer"
Amazing 24meg full frame images, but with the ability to go to DX and get a fast frame rate, and then an industry leading HD video ability with the flip out screen so you could actually compose and provide a working AF.
That would really leave everyone in the dust (for a while) lol
I'd say D700 built and ergonomics, along with 24meg FX at 4 FPS (2 FPS in 14bit) and a DX crop mode option for a 12meg image at 8 FPS and a price of $2400 would be about perfect.
Oh, give it a flip out articulating 3" LCD and 1080p HD movie recording with an improved AF over the old 'live view" style.
Now that would be a real "killer"
Amazing 24meg full frame images, but with the ability to go to DX and get a fast frame rate, and then an industry leading HD video ability with the flip out screen so you could actually compose and provide a working AF.
That would really leave everyone in the dust (for a while) lol
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:30 AM
p.2 #7the d300s killer
millsart wrote:
Nikon just needs to get that D700x or D800 or whatever its going to be called to market
I'd say D700 built and ergonomics, along with 24meg FX at 4 FPS (2 FPS in 14bit) and a DX crop mode option for a 12meg image at 8 FPS and a price of $2400 would be about perfect.
Looks like a D700s may be down the road before a D700x or D800....
Nikon just needs to get that D700x or D800 or whatever its going to be called to market
I'd say D700 built and ergonomics, along with 24meg FX at 4 FPS (2 FPS in 14bit) and a DX crop mode option for a 12meg image at 8 FPS and a price of $2400 would be about perfect.
Looks like a D700s may be down the road before a D700x or D800....
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:34 AM
p.2 #8the d300s killer
Based on Rob Galbraith's comments about the 7D AI servo performance, I think the folks at Canon better start writing the "7D AI Servo Auto Focus Manual". 
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:42 AM
p.2 #9the d300s killer
Anybody know when diffraction kicks in with this? What...f/8?
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:50 AM
p.2 #10the d300s killer
nothing could convince me to switch to Canon at this point... I've invested too much money into my Nikon gear, and planning to invest more in the coming year, with the addition of a D300s, and probably a 200-400VR lens in my future. I love my D700, and collection of lenses - the 14-24, 28-70, and 70-200 are all killer lenses.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:54 AM
p.2 #11the d300s killer
Hope that Nikon will always have a 12 mp. option in their future line-up. Specially for Dx. If I need more, I can get it w/ FF. 12 mp. is fine for most of what I do. Just improve color depth, hi-iso IQ, DR and find a way to take out the AA filter. (Like what Leica is about to do w/ their S2.)
I'm done w/ megapixel madness now that the D3x is out. Don't have an app. that requires more than that.
I'm done w/ megapixel madness now that the D3x is out. Don't have an app. that requires more than that.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:57 AM
p.2 #12the d300s killer
Canon's ergonomics still look horrible. Think I will keep my Nikon for the rest of my life.
Although, I do agree packing more MP into this camera might be an iffy plan. It might have been interesting to see them go back a few MP and really redefine the camera to replace the 50D. Still a nice camera nonetheless.
I want a D700s pronto. I am itching for my first D700 and I am not jumping for one until I get some video smacked on it.
Chris
Although, I do agree packing more MP into this camera might be an iffy plan. It might have been interesting to see them go back a few MP and really redefine the camera to replace the 50D. Still a nice camera nonetheless.
I want a D700s pronto. I am itching for my first D700 and I am not jumping for one until I get some video smacked on it.
Chris
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:00 AM
p.2 #13the d300s killer
I'll switch to Canon if they make a D700 with a EOS mount Then I can use the 85L and 135L 
Then I can use the 85L and 135L Sep 01, 2009 at 09:07 AM
p.2 #14the d300s killer
wjlapier wrote:
I'll switch to Canon if they make a D700 with a EOS mount Then I can use the 85L and 135L
Before that time comes, Nikon will have come out w/ their afs fast primes.
I'll switch to Canon if they make a D700 with a EOS mount
Then I can use the 85L and 135L Before that time comes, Nikon will have come out w/ their afs fast primes.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:13 AM
p.2 #15the d300s killer
If the High Iso is better or at par with D300s
If the autofocus works
I might spring for one.
If the autofocus works
I might spring for one.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:14 AM
p.2 #16the d300s killer
Any guesses on when the first recall will be? It's about time Canon tries to catch up. This is good news as it will keep Nikon on its toes.
It's about time Canon tries to catch up. This is good news as it will keep Nikon on its toes. Sep 01, 2009 at 09:23 AM
p.2 #17the d300s killer
Chris Langer wrote:
Canon's ergonomics still look horrible. Think I will keep my Nikon for the rest of my life.
Funny how different the perspective is for those that have used both. I'd suggest trying Canon before deciding they "look horrible" and thinking that's the same using it.
I have experience with both brands, and while I find Nikon cameras ugly, button-laden messes esthetically, it's the "ergonomics" that have always kept me firmly in the Canon camp. They're extremely easy to use. Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
Canon's ergonomics still look horrible. Think I will keep my Nikon for the rest of my life.
Funny how different the perspective is for those that have used both. I'd suggest trying Canon before deciding they "look horrible" and thinking that's the same using it.
I have experience with both brands, and while I find Nikon cameras ugly, button-laden messes esthetically, it's the "ergonomics" that have always kept me firmly in the Canon camp. They're extremely easy to use. Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:31 AM
p.2 #18the d300s killer
I used a 20D and 1D for about 6 months, I eventually got used to the ergonomics.
I just really like the build of the D700. And of course all the other goodies that came along with it.
I just really like the build of the D700. And of course all the other goodies that came along with it.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:51 AM
p.2 #19the d300s killer
jamesf99 wrote:
I have experience with both brands, and while I find Nikon cameras ugly, button-laden messes esthetically, it's the "ergonomics" that have always kept me firmly in the Canon camp. They're extremely easy to use. Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
Canon certainly did have a dominance in the sports market since the original 1D, but historically overall Nikon's always dominated the pro market until the recent era, and now with great tools like the D3 its more evenly mixed.
In the 70's and 80's and into the 90's Nikon F bodies were the standard professional tool. It was only with the emergence of digital technology and Canon really having superior products to Nikon did we see Canon take a lead with the sports and news markets.
I agree with you that Nikon's are as stylish as Canon but frankly think they work far better in the field. Mechanical switches and buttons are so much easier to work with verses having a really streamlined design with just a couple of buttons but that requires more getting into menu's and looking at status displays.
I was shooting some climbing photos tethered to the side of a cliff and being able to use those mechanical switches to make changes proved very useful over the Canon gear I was used to shooting.
I have experience with both brands, and while I find Nikon cameras ugly, button-laden messes esthetically, it's the "ergonomics" that have always kept me firmly in the Canon camp. They're extremely easy to use. Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
Canon certainly did have a dominance in the sports market since the original 1D, but historically overall Nikon's always dominated the pro market until the recent era, and now with great tools like the D3 its more evenly mixed.
In the 70's and 80's and into the 90's Nikon F bodies were the standard professional tool. It was only with the emergence of digital technology and Canon really having superior products to Nikon did we see Canon take a lead with the sports and news markets.
I agree with you that Nikon's are as stylish as Canon but frankly think they work far better in the field. Mechanical switches and buttons are so much easier to work with verses having a really streamlined design with just a couple of buttons but that requires more getting into menu's and looking at status displays.
I was shooting some climbing photos tethered to the side of a cliff and being able to use those mechanical switches to make changes proved very useful over the Canon gear I was used to shooting.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:57 AM
p.2 #20the d300s killer
jamesf99 wrote:
Funny how different the perspective is for those that have used both. I'd suggest trying Canon before deciding they "look horrible" and thinking that's the same using it.
I have experience with both brands, and while I find Nikon cameras ugly, button-laden messes esthetically, it's the "ergonomics" that have always kept me firmly in the Canon camp. They're extremely easy to use. Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
I have used Canon's extensively too and I still go back on my gut reaction I had when I picked up my first camera. Nikon just made more sense with their layout back in the day, Canon's was like a puzzle. It still holds true today.
I feel more pros used Canon back in the day for image quality. If you get the image and the quality is there, it doesn't matter how many buttons you had to press to get there. If its there its there. Ergonomics is just a luxury to make our jobs easier.
Chris
Chris Langer wrote
Canon's ergonomics still look horrible. Think I will keep my Nikon for the rest of my life.I have experience with both brands, and while I find Nikon cameras ugly, button-laden messes esthetically, it's the "ergonomics" that have always kept me firmly in the Canon camp. They're extremely easy to use. Can Canon's 20+ years of pro and sports dominance really mean the ergonomics are bad? Somehow I'm doubting it, but each to his own.
I have used Canon's extensively too and I still go back on my gut reaction I had when I picked up my first camera. Nikon just made more sense with their layout back in the day, Canon's was like a puzzle. It still holds true today.
I feel more pros used Canon back in the day for image quality. If you get the image and the quality is there, it doesn't matter how many buttons you had to press to get there. If its there its there. Ergonomics is just a luxury to make our jobs easier.
Chris
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:58 AM