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p.1 #1the d300s killer
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sorry had to be the 1st
sorry had to be the 1st
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:24 PM
p.1 #2the d300s killer
Probably won't be the last.
Looks like a nice cam but not going to make many Nikon folk drop their D300/s and switch camps.
Nice to see Canon finally catching up
Cheers
Leigh
Looks like a nice cam but not going to make many Nikon folk drop their D300/s and switch camps.
Nice to see Canon finally catching up
Cheers
Leigh
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:36 PM
p.1 #3the d300s killer
Yawn, with all respect.
I don't understand how Canon got with the program with regard to the G11, yet once again is packing too many megapixels into a 1.6 crop sensor. Makes no sense to me.
I don't understand how Canon got with the program with regard to the G11, yet once again is packing too many megapixels into a 1.6 crop sensor. Makes no sense to me.
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:59 PM
p.1 #4the d300s killer
They were really lacking something in direct competition for the D300. (size/speed)
Sep 01, 2009 at 02:56 AM
p.1 #6the d300s killer
I guess I don't see the excitement.
Lots of megapixels, okay. Sure. Great. That doesn't really get me worked up, but whatever floats your boat. Everything else is just a pretty standard spec. Nothing even unique like the D300s putting dual card slots into a consumer body.
So the only thing telling will be real image quality testing. If that blows everything else out of the water, great. But the 50D got a distinctly lackluster reception because its IQ wasn't very good. Not that it's telling of the 7D's performance, just that specs aren't the end result. And these specs are only catching up to whats out there anyway.
edit: This isn't a knock on Canon - it looks like a fine camera. I just don't see the comments like "D300 killer!" or starting a half dozen threads on the subject.
Lots of megapixels, okay. Sure. Great. That doesn't really get me worked up, but whatever floats your boat. Everything else is just a pretty standard spec. Nothing even unique like the D300s putting dual card slots into a consumer body.
So the only thing telling will be real image quality testing. If that blows everything else out of the water, great. But the 50D got a distinctly lackluster reception because its IQ wasn't very good. Not that it's telling of the 7D's performance, just that specs aren't the end result. And these specs are only catching up to whats out there anyway.
edit: This isn't a knock on Canon - it looks like a fine camera. I just don't see the comments like "D300 killer!" or starting a half dozen threads on the subject.
Sep 01, 2009 at 03:33 AM
p.1 #7the d300s killer
I was hoping Canon would come out with an increased MP crop body I could use for my wildlife work but reading RG's comments on AF in some instances...I wouldn't touch this thing with a 10 foot pole for what I do.
The AF points look center bunched just like a FF body...another negative in my eyes.
The AF points look center bunched just like a FF body...another negative in my eyes.
Sep 01, 2009 at 04:08 AM
p.1 #8the d300s killer
Finally a prosumer body with pro-features. Still no MLU.
Let's see how the IQ is and how (if
) the AF works.
Let's see how the IQ is and how (if
) the AF works.Sep 01, 2009 at 04:11 AM
p.1 #9the d300s killer
It's refreshing to know that canon still has a ton of juvenile users that like to post this kind of garbage in the nikon forum. Two threads now started here on this topic by the juvees. A 16 year old probably would be sufficiently mature to at least wait until the camera was out and the performance was known not to be a dud. So, how old are you?
I am very glad to see this camera, though. It's got some very nice specs and has been a very long time coming. I sincerely hope that the new AF is excellent and that the high MP count isn't a negative, so that the camera turns out to be a very good cam for the mature canon users.
I am very glad to see this camera, though. It's got some very nice specs and has been a very long time coming. I sincerely hope that the new AF is excellent and that the high MP count isn't a negative, so that the camera turns out to be a very good cam for the mature canon users.
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:49 AM
p.1 #10the d300s killer
Yawn. I just checked my D300 & D700 and they were both still working fine. It appears nothing got killed after all
Seriously though, competition is always good.
Seriously though, competition is always good.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:07 AM
p.1 #11the d300s killer
I'm always happy when Canon puts out a product to try and compete with Nikon. Just pushes Nikon to do even more.
However, I can't see the benefits of this 7D over a D300S. 18mp in a crop sensor? Hello Noise, nice to meet you.
And like it's been said before, everything else is pretty standard. It has 1080p video instead of the 720p in the D300S, but that's not going to be a deal-breaker for many people. I know it's not for me when I do mostly PJ stuff and my output is almost always web-based.
Oh, and we'll see if the AF actually works (Couldn't resist.)
However, I can't see the benefits of this 7D over a D300S. 18mp in a crop sensor? Hello Noise, nice to meet you.
And like it's been said before, everything else is pretty standard. It has 1080p video instead of the 720p in the D300S, but that's not going to be a deal-breaker for many people. I know it's not for me when I do mostly PJ stuff and my output is almost always web-based.
Oh, and we'll see if the AF actually works
(Couldn't resist.)Sep 01, 2009 at 06:10 AM
p.1 #12the d300s killer
Looks nice, but I as mentioned above, I thought the 50D was maybe pushing too many MP - so they add three more? I wonder if they found some way to get better performance or something. Bend the laws of physics and all. It'll be interesting to see how it does quality-wise.
On a side note, maybe this is why we got a D300s instead of a D400 - Nikon wants to have an answer for the 7D, and a 14MP D400 probably wouldn't have been it. Just guessin'
On a side note, maybe this is why we got a D300s instead of a D400 - Nikon wants to have an answer for the 7D, and a 14MP D400 probably wouldn't have been it. Just guessin'
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:14 AM
p.1 #13the d300s killer
Sorry Paul, but nothin's died over here. 
Old school D300 still cranks out stuff Canon can't touch...AF that WORKS! 
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/rvrsbnd/DSC_8892-1.jpg
Old school D300 still cranks out stuff Canon can't touch...AF that WORKS! http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/rvrsbnd/DSC_8892-1.jpg
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:15 AM
p.1 #15the d300s killer
Looks like a very nice camera. And a direct competitor to the D300, which Canon lacked. Especially price wise.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:15 AM
p.1 #16the d300s killer
RG has a good write up. Pretty good overall looks like - he feels like the noise levels are good up to 1600 (I personally think it's too noisy, but I don't like the D300 @1600 either).
Oh, there does seem like there might be this "thing" with the AF though...
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10042-10239
Oh, there does seem like there might be this "thing" with the AF though...
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10042-10239
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:33 AM
p.1 #17the d300s killer
It is a poor heading, but let's not that detract from the actual camera.
7D is a camera Canon had to make, quite frankly. They have really looked at the competition (which is not just Nikon) and delivered a very fine spec'd camera.
The megapixels is a worry , at this stage. We'll see how the quality goes, but if it's good up to say 3200, then I'll say they have a great camera on their hands.
8 frames per second (without a grip)
19 cross AF points.
Wireless shooting from the built-in flash.
100% viewfinder
An internal LCD projector to overlay data (like grid display)
Dual Axis levels
1080 movies
Sounds like I just stated the specs for the D300s. But the fact is, this camera has been desperately needed in the Canon lineup. It does take away some of the headlines from the D300s, things that really made it unique.
It's also sits well for their future models too.
Cool.
Still, I'm happy with my lowly crappy D300. I'll be doing fine when I pick up one of their new 24 and 35mm AF-S prime lenses too.
7D is a camera Canon had to make, quite frankly. They have really looked at the competition (which is not just Nikon) and delivered a very fine spec'd camera.
The megapixels is a worry , at this stage. We'll see how the quality goes, but if it's good up to say 3200, then I'll say they have a great camera on their hands.
8 frames per second (without a grip)
19 cross AF points.
Wireless shooting from the built-in flash.
100% viewfinder
An internal LCD projector to overlay data (like grid display)
Dual Axis levels
1080 movies
Sounds like I just stated the specs for the D300s. But the fact is, this camera has been desperately needed in the Canon lineup. It does take away some of the headlines from the D300s, things that really made it unique.
It's also sits well for their future models too.
Cool.
Still, I'm happy with my lowly crappy D300. I'll be doing fine when I pick up one of their new 24 and 35mm AF-S prime lenses too.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:43 AM
p.1 #18the d300s killer
i am a canon shooter. as someone who makes a living from pressing a shutter button, my 1ds III and 1d III get the job done every time. You wont hear me bash nikon for the sake of it, and i'll never understand people who make these threads bashing one company over another.
it's a simple process. if the current camera company is not making a camera that can meet your standards then go somewhere else. all of these "brand killer" threads are just plain ignorant.
it's a simple process. if the current camera company is not making a camera that can meet your standards then go somewhere else. all of these "brand killer" threads are just plain ignorant.
Sep 01, 2009 at 07:16 AM
p.1 #19the d300s killer
I've never understood how one camera kills another. From where I sit, there is a lot of darn good equipment out there. Not sure why some folks get wrapped up in trying to figure out which one should be wearing some kind of a crown.
Comparing any of today's bodies to the units produced just a few years ago should impress all of us.
Comparing any of today's bodies to the units produced just a few years ago should impress all of us.
Sep 01, 2009 at 07:24 AM
p.1 #20the d300s killer
nikt wrote:
7D is a camera Canon had to make, quite frankly. They have really looked at the competition (which is not just Nikon) and delivered a very fine spec'd camera.
The megapixels is a worry , at this stage. We'll see how the quality goes, but if it's good up to say 3200, then I'll say they have a great camera on their hands.
18MP. I'm not a 1.6x shooter, but this sure is the biggest area of concern. The samples I've seen look OK up to ISO 3200, but we have to wait and see what happens with production images.
8 frames per second (without a grip)
19 cross AF points.
Wireless shooting from the built-in flash.
100% viewfinder
An internal LCD projector to overlay data (like grid display)
Dual Axis levels
1080 movies
Sounds like I just stated the specs for the D300s. But the fact is, this camera has been desperately needed in the Canon lineup. It does take away some of the headlines from the D300s, things that really made it unique.
It's also sits well for their future models too.
Cool.
Still, I'm happy with my lowly crappy D300. I'll be doing fine when I pick up one of their new 24 and 35mm...Show more →
And you should be happy.
After initially kicking other mfg's butts for years, Canon has been on the receiving end since 2006/7 IMO. Every thing since 2005 has been at the minimally acceptable performance level as Canon gouged customers with high prices (relative to performance/features) and mediocre releases (5d sensor/IQ an exception).
The damage is done and it's a self-inflicted wound. They let Nikon back in the door and has achieved IQ parity and has been offering better/more usable features, Sony can capture the unaligned new customers, and Canon has some serious ground to make up from a corporate image perspective. I think they (Canon) suck less, but one announcement doesn't make up for 4+ years of BS IMO......
7D is a camera Canon had to make, quite frankly. They have really looked at the competition (which is not just Nikon) and delivered a very fine spec'd camera.
The megapixels is a worry , at this stage. We'll see how the quality goes, but if it's good up to say 3200, then I'll say they have a great camera on their hands.
18MP. I'm not a 1.6x shooter, but this sure is the biggest area of concern. The samples I've seen look OK up to ISO 3200, but we have to wait and see what happens with production images.
8 frames per second (without a grip)
19 cross AF points.
Wireless shooting from the built-in flash.
100% viewfinder
An internal LCD projector to overlay data (like grid display)
Dual Axis levels
1080 movies
Sounds like I just stated the specs for the D300s. But the fact is, this camera has been desperately needed in the Canon lineup. It does take away some of the headlines from the D300s, things that really made it unique.
It's also sits well for their future models too.
Cool.
Still, I'm happy with my lowly crappy D300. I'll be doing fine when I pick up one of their new 24 and 35mm...Show more →
And you should be happy.
After initially kicking other mfg's butts for years, Canon has been on the receiving end since 2006/7 IMO. Every thing since 2005 has been at the minimally acceptable performance level as Canon gouged customers with high prices (relative to performance/features) and mediocre releases (5d sensor/IQ an exception).
The damage is done and it's a self-inflicted wound. They let Nikon back in the door and has achieved IQ parity and has been offering better/more usable features, Sony can capture the unaligned new customers, and Canon has some serious ground to make up from a corporate image perspective. I think they (Canon) suck less, but one announcement doesn't make up for 4+ years of BS IMO......
Sep 01, 2009 at 07:30 AM