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Archive 2009Official 7D Thread
p.11 #1Official 7D Thread
Looking through the samples from Robby G. (which, IMHO look a lotabit over sharpened), it seems to be decent in comparison to the 5DM2 at ISO3200, though the 5D's noise seems a little more natural (though again, I wonder how much of that has to do with the processing, I mean, call me crazy but the ISO3200 shot looked somewhat better than the ISO1600 shot). At 6400+, 7D seems to fail, though the 5DM2 doesn't look all that great either. No matter, as long as ISO3200 looks decent enough (ie, better than my 1DM2) then I might be placing an order soon 
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:17 AM
p.11 #2Official 7D Thread
EOS20 wrote:
Samsung announced a new camera today too!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090106samsungwb5000.asp
Can't believe you missed it!
I wonder if we'll see more of this in the future:
Dual Image Stabilization
The WB5000 combines Optical and Digital Image Stabilization into a Dual Image Stabilization function,
providing fantastic quality photos without any blur from handshake - even in low light conditions.
I can see where this is headed:
Smart Face Recognition
Samsung’s innovative Smart Face Recognition technology actually remembers faces it sees frequently and then prioritises them when focussing and exposing future shots. It can store up to 20 recognised faces in the cameras’ internal memory and allows users to search for their favourite faces in playback. This can be done quickly by using the ‘Face’ search in Smart Album, instead of viewing every single photo on the memory card.
In “Blink Detection Mode” the camera will take a series of shots when closed eyes are detected so everyone is captured with their eyes open; in “Smile Mode” a picture is...Show more →
Next!!!
Artistic Adviser Mode
The camera will tell / let you take the picture when the camera thinks the resulting picture is pleasing
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Pixel Perfect wrote
Yep, strong competition is always good. If Sony and Samsung can now join in, things will get very interesting.http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090106samsungwb5000.asp
Can't believe you missed it!
I wonder if we'll see more of this in the future:
Dual Image Stabilization
The WB5000 combines Optical and Digital Image Stabilization into a Dual Image Stabilization function,
providing fantastic quality photos without any blur from handshake - even in low light conditions.
I can see where this is headed:
Smart Face Recognition
Samsung’s innovative Smart Face Recognition technology actually remembers faces it sees frequently and then prioritises them when focussing and exposing future shots. It can store up to 20 recognised faces in the cameras’ internal memory and allows users to search for their favourite faces in playback. This can be done quickly by using the ‘Face’ search in Smart Album, instead of viewing every single photo on the memory card.
In “Blink Detection Mode” the camera will take a series of shots when closed eyes are detected so everyone is captured with their eyes open; in “Smile Mode” a picture is...Show more →
Next!!!
Artistic Adviser Mode
The camera will tell / let you take the picture when the camera thinks the resulting picture is pleasing
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Sep 01, 2009 at 08:20 AM
p.11 #3Official 7D Thread
alundeb wrote:
Thanks for the soundclips! Good that he says it is realtively quiet, the clip sounded loud and scary
I agree it does sound loud , but to be fair, it was without a lens.
and your welcome, it took a bit of looking through my history to find the page where I seen it....
Strangely, I've been visiting more camera websites than normal this morning.
Thanks for the soundclips! Good that he says it is realtively quiet, the clip sounded loud and scary
I agree it does sound loud , but to be fair, it was without a lens.
and your welcome, it took a bit of looking through my history to find the page where I seen it....
Strangely, I've been visiting more camera websites than normal this morning.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:27 AM
p.11 #4Official 7D Thread
Was just looking through the sample galleries and the sample video... Is it just me or does it seem like the reviewers that take those sample shots don't put a lot of thought/creativity into their samples? Rob's were at least more interesting to look at. The video sample was kind of a joke, if it was meant to do anything more than say 'look, a video!'...
Maybe I'm too harsh (well, yes I am), just would be nice to see some interesting pictures in their samples for once.. :-/
Maybe I'm too harsh (well, yes I am), just would be nice to see some interesting pictures in their samples for once.. :-/
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:30 AM
p.11 #5Official 7D Thread
Rob G is mentioning some AF issues when in AI servo mode. Wish he do some extensive testing using 200mm f2 or the 300mm f2.8. His test for center AF point only, he used 800mm f5.6 on gulls which doesn't give cleared picture of the camera AF.
Other things look quite good. If ISO3200 is better than 1dmk2 and AF is as good, I will get one.
Other things look quite good. If ISO3200 is better than 1dmk2 and AF is as good, I will get one.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:39 AM
p.11 #6Official 7D Thread
Kevin Sherman wrote:
Was just looking through the sample galleries and the sample video... Is it just me or does it seem like the reviewers that take those sample shots don't put a lot of thought/creativity into their samples? Rob's were at least more interesting to look at. The video sample was kind of a joke, if it was meant to do anything more than say 'look, a video!'...
Maybe I'm too harsh (well, yes I am), just would be nice to see some interesting pictures in their samples for once.. :-/
Yeah at least Rob takes "Real Life Test Shots",
not some static color chart, although they are informative.
Was just looking through the sample galleries and the sample video... Is it just me or does it seem like the reviewers that take those sample shots don't put a lot of thought/creativity into their samples? Rob's were at least more interesting to look at. The video sample was kind of a joke, if it was meant to do anything more than say 'look, a video!'...
Maybe I'm too harsh (well, yes I am), just would be nice to see some interesting pictures in their samples for once.. :-/
Yeah at least Rob takes "Real Life Test Shots",
not some static color chart, although they are informative.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:40 AM
p.11 #7Official 7D Thread
Kevin Sherman wrote:
Was just looking through the sample galleries and the sample video... Is it just me or does it seem like the reviewers that take those sample shots don't put a lot of thought/creativity into their samples? Rob's were at least more interesting to look at. The video sample was kind of a joke, if it was meant to do anything more than say 'look, a video!'...
Maybe I'm too harsh (well, yes I am), just would be nice to see some interesting pictures in their samples for once.. :-/
Agree with what you are saying.
Was just looking through the sample galleries and the sample video... Is it just me or does it seem like the reviewers that take those sample shots don't put a lot of thought/creativity into their samples? Rob's were at least more interesting to look at. The video sample was kind of a joke, if it was meant to do anything more than say 'look, a video!'...
Maybe I'm too harsh (well, yes I am), just would be nice to see some interesting pictures in their samples for once.. :-/
Agree with what you are saying.
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:40 AM
p.11 #8Official 7D Thread
LightShow wrote:
I can see where this is headed:
Smart Face Recognition
Samsung’s innovative Smart Face Recognition technology actually remembers faces it sees frequently and then prioritises them when focussing and exposing future shots. It can store up to 20 recognised faces in the cameras’ internal memory and allows users to search for their favourite faces in playback. This can be done quickly by using the ‘Face’ search in Smart Album, instead of viewing every single photo on the memory card.
/quote]
Can they release stupid face detection, so I know who to avoid more easily?
I can see where this is headed:
Smart Face Recognition
Samsung’s innovative Smart Face Recognition technology actually remembers faces it sees frequently and then prioritises them when focussing and exposing future shots. It can store up to 20 recognised faces in the cameras’ internal memory and allows users to search for their favourite faces in playback. This can be done quickly by using the ‘Face’ search in Smart Album, instead of viewing every single photo on the memory card.
/quote]
Can they release stupid face detection, so I know who to avoid more easily?
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:43 AM
p.11 #9Official 7D Thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Can they release stupid face detection, so I know who to avoid more easily?
Can they release stupid face detection, so I know who to avoid more easily?
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:51 AM
p.11 #10Official 7D Thread
bobbyz wrote:
Rob G is mentioning some AF issues when in AI servo mode. Wish he do some extensive testing using 200mm f2 or the 300mm f2.8. His test for center AF point only, he used 800mm f5.6 on gulls which doesn't give cleared picture of the camera AF.
Other things look quite good. If ISO3200 is better than 1dmk2 and AF is as good, I will get one.
I was under the impression that the 200/2 was used extensively with the dog shots?
Rob G is mentioning some AF issues when in AI servo mode. Wish he do some extensive testing using 200mm f2 or the 300mm f2.8. His test for center AF point only, he used 800mm f5.6 on gulls which doesn't give cleared picture of the camera AF.
Other things look quite good. If ISO3200 is better than 1dmk2 and AF is as good, I will get one.
I was under the impression that the 200/2 was used extensively with the dog shots?
Sep 01, 2009 at 08:52 AM
p.11 #11Official 7D Thread
orangefirefish wrote:
Other things look quite good. If ISO3200 is better than 1dmk2 and AF is as good, I will get one.I was under the impression that the 200/2 was used extensively with the dog shots?
He used Zone AF with 9 points in the center for the dog test using 200mm f2. That should theorically give best AI servo performance as you got assist points in addition to center point and according to him, he got nothing out of 80 frames that he shot.
bobbyz wrote
Rob G is mentioning some AF issues when in AI servo mode. Wish he do some extensive testing using 200mm f2 or the 300mm f2.8. His test for center AF point only, he used 800mm f5.6 on gulls which doesn't give cleared picture of the camera AF.Other things look quite good. If ISO3200 is better than 1dmk2 and AF is as good, I will get one.
He used Zone AF with 9 points in the center for the dog test using 200mm f2. That should theorically give best AI servo performance as you got assist points in addition to center point and according to him, he got nothing out of 80 frames that he shot.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:01 AM
p.11 #12Official 7D Thread
Is this the 60D in disguise? 
Have I finally found a reason to upgrade from my wonderful 30D?
Have I finally found a reason to upgrade from my wonderful 30D?Sep 01, 2009 at 09:06 AM
p.11 #13Official 7D Thread
I agree. All of this was in the works when the MkII was released, so I think the strategy behind the MkII/7D is very interesting. I don't know what the strategery IS yet, but it is interesting.
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the first full frame with this feature set, and what the $$ range is going to be now.
trumpet_guy wrote:
There should be a 5D MkIII that will inherit the new AF. Sorry we need to wait for it,
but I think the next 5D will be very compelling.
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the first full frame with this feature set, and what the $$ range is going to be now.
trumpet_guy wrote:
There should be a 5D MkIII that will inherit the new AF. Sorry we need to wait for it,
but I think the next 5D will be very compelling.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:29 AM
p.11 #14Official 7D Thread
thw2 wrote:
Custom function I-5 (see here).
It's still 3 shots.
I don't care too much about HDR after some attempts. They are not my cup of tea. But HDR enthusiasts are disappointed, I'm sure.
They have to leave some features exclusive to the 1D series.
Thank you...I was hoping for more than 3...
morphez wrote
any info about how many images for exposure bracketing? I tried to check Dpreview but they're not mentioned it.It's still 3 shots.
I don't care too much about HDR after some attempts. They are not my cup of tea. But HDR enthusiasts are disappointed, I'm sure.
They have to leave some features exclusive to the 1D series.
Thank you...I was hoping for more than 3...
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:30 AM
p.11 #15Official 7D Thread
slrl0ver wrote:
So let's lay this one to rest, the 5D.MK2 has only the most basic "environmental" seals. It remains to be seen the level of sealing on the 7D. Let's hope it's more than some foam to keep out dust.
- slrl0ver
Well... yes. This is what Canon basically says. There were never any claims of serious wet-weather protection for the EOS-1n--that didn't come about in Canon's product line until the 1V.
That said, I've had many Canon DSLRs out in wet conditions, and if you take basic precautions (use rain covers) they work fine. I think too many people read "weather sealing" and think they can just expose the camera to rain without penalty. I would not do that even with a 1D.
So let's lay this one to rest, the 5D.MK2 has only the most basic "environmental" seals. It remains to be seen the level of sealing on the 7D. Let's hope it's more than some foam to keep out dust.
- slrl0ver
Well... yes. This is what Canon basically says. There were never any claims of serious wet-weather protection for the EOS-1n--that didn't come about in Canon's product line until the 1V.
That said, I've had many Canon DSLRs out in wet conditions, and if you take basic precautions (use rain covers) they work fine. I think too many people read "weather sealing" and think they can just expose the camera to rain without penalty. I would not do that even with a 1D.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:42 AM
p.11 #16Official 7D Thread
joekraft wrote:
I agree. All of this was in the works when the MkII was released, so I think the strategy behind the MkII/7D is very interesting. I don't know what the strategery IS yet, but it is interesting.
The strategy was to sucker as many people into buying the 5DII at list price as possible before revealing in the 7D that they were willing to put pro features in a non-1-series body after all Not saying everybody who bought the 5DII is a sucker--some people bought it simply for the 21MP FF, and for them none of this matters--but the wailing and gnashing of teeth already from some 5DII owners over the vastly superior feature set of the 7D shows that at least some of them would've bought the 7D instead or a FF 3D with the same features if it existed when they were considering buying the 5DII. Can you say "stopgap"?
5DII is a camera with one foot in the past and the other in the future--a fine camera but one born at an unfortunate time in Canon's technology timeline where it was late enough to reap some next-gen benefits but too early to incorporate the majority of the new wave. 7D represents the direction going forward, and it will really be interesting to see when (if?) the 3D comes whether it will come in at a higher price point or if it will come in at about the 5DII price and push the 5DII down to a more appropriate price. Or maybe it'll just be the 5D Mark III and we won't get 2 "affordable" FF bodies. Interesting times we live in.
I agree. All of this was in the works when the MkII was released, so I think the strategy behind the MkII/7D is very interesting. I don't know what the strategery IS yet, but it is interesting.
The strategy was to sucker as many people into buying the 5DII at list price as possible before revealing in the 7D that they were willing to put pro features in a non-1-series body after all
Not saying everybody who bought the 5DII is a sucker--some people bought it simply for the 21MP FF, and for them none of this matters--but the wailing and gnashing of teeth already from some 5DII owners over the vastly superior feature set of the 7D shows that at least some of them would've bought the 7D instead or a FF 3D with the same features if it existed when they were considering buying the 5DII. Can you say "stopgap"?5DII is a camera with one foot in the past and the other in the future--a fine camera but one born at an unfortunate time in Canon's technology timeline where it was late enough to reap some next-gen benefits but too early to incorporate the majority of the new wave. 7D represents the direction going forward, and it will really be interesting to see when (if?) the 3D comes whether it will come in at a higher price point or if it will come in at about the 5DII price and push the 5DII down to a more appropriate price. Or maybe it'll just be the 5D Mark III and we won't get 2 "affordable" FF bodies. Interesting times we live in.
Sep 01, 2009 at 09:45 AM
p.11 #17Official 7D Thread
Yep... They released a nice, but not overwhelming upgrade, just as the global economy was entering it's nadir. Now, they release what seems to be a superior, save for frame size model, just as the market is coming back.
I wonder what kind of analysis they did that told them to pursue this strategy. Because I probably could have come up with the $$ for the 5DMkII if it included most of these features, but I'm almost sure the first FF model to incorporate this feature set will have other improvements (next digic, articulated rear screen, whatever) that will price it out of my league at release time. I wonder if the MkII really was rushed, to at least try and capture some of that $$ ASAP while the market was going into a downturn. Bird in the hand kind of thing...
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
5DII is a camera with one foot in the past and the other in the future--a fine camera but one born at an unfortunate time in Canon's technology timeline where it was late enough to reap some next-gen benefits but too early to incorporate the majority of the new wave. 7D represents the direction going forward, and it will really be interesting to see when (if?) the 3D comes whether it will come in at a higher price point or if it will come in at about the 5DII price and push the 5DII down to a more appropriate...Show more →
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I wonder what kind of analysis they did that told them to pursue this strategy. Because I probably could have come up with the $$ for the 5DMkII if it included most of these features, but I'm almost sure the first FF model to incorporate this feature set will have other improvements (next digic, articulated rear screen, whatever) that will price it out of my league at release time. I wonder if the MkII really was rushed, to at least try and capture some of that $$ ASAP while the market was going into a downturn. Bird in the hand kind of thing...
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
5DII is a camera with one foot in the past and the other in the future--a fine camera but one born at an unfortunate time in Canon's technology timeline where it was late enough to reap some next-gen benefits but too early to incorporate the majority of the new wave. 7D represents the direction going forward, and it will really be interesting to see when (if?) the 3D comes whether it will come in at a higher price point or if it will come in at about the 5DII price and push the 5DII down to a more appropriate...Show more →
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Sep 01, 2009 at 09:59 AM
p.11 #18Official 7D Thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
The strategy was to sucker as many people into buying the 5DII at list price as possible before revealing in the 7D that they were willing to put pro features in a non-1-series body after all Not saying everybody who bought the 5DII is a sucker--some people bought it simply for the 21MP FF, and for them none of this matters--but the wailing and gnashing of teeth already from some 5DII owners over the vastly superior feature set of the 7D shows that at least some of them would've bought the 7D instead or a FF 3D with...Show more →
If 5DII owners are that stupid then they deserve to feel bad about their purchase. But I don't think many are.
I bought my 5DII and have been using it for many months, something I couldn't have done with a 7D. I knew about it's focusing system when I bought it, but the IQ is just so good it more than makes up for it's lack of AF points.
The 7D is a year or more newer in development, so unsurprisingly has many newer features that will migrate onto the 5DIII or whatever it's called. It's called development and all cameras do it.
I would still bank on a 5DII to produce the same fantastic quality today as it did yesterday, but alas without the benefit of an internal spirit level. How will I manage?
David
joekraft wrote
I agree. All of this was in the works when the MkII was released, so I think the strategy behind the MkII/7D is very interesting. I don't know what the strategery IS yet, but it is interesting. Not saying everybody who bought the 5DII is a sucker--some people bought it simply for the 21MP FF, and for them none of this matters--but the wailing and gnashing of teeth already from some 5DII owners over the vastly superior feature set of the 7D shows that at least some of them would've bought the 7D instead or a FF 3D with...Show more →If 5DII owners are that stupid then they deserve to feel bad about their purchase. But I don't think many are.
I bought my 5DII and have been using it for many months, something I couldn't have done with a 7D. I knew about it's focusing system when I bought it, but the IQ is just so good it more than makes up for it's lack of AF points.
The 7D is a year or more newer in development, so unsurprisingly has many newer features that will migrate onto the 5DIII or whatever it's called. It's called development and all cameras do it.
I would still bank on a 5DII to produce the same fantastic quality today as it did yesterday, but alas without the benefit of an internal spirit level. How will I manage?
David
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:01 AM
p.11 #19Official 7D Thread
Is this new AF really so much better then the 50D and comparable with the 1D AF ?
It stil has only one center AF point that is high precision at 2.8 it only has 10 extra cross type 5.6 AF points
The 1D3 has 18 cross type high precision at 2.8 and the center point is high precision at 4
It stil has only one center AF point that is high precision at 2.8 it only has 10 extra cross type 5.6 AF points
The 1D3 has 18 cross type high precision at 2.8 and the center point is high precision at 4
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:11 AM
p.11 #20Official 7D Thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
The strategy was to sucker as many people into buying the 5DII at list price as possible before revealing in the 7D that they were willing to put pro features in a non-1-series body after all
This is one of the funniest claims I've read in a long time. Thanks for the chuckle!
It will really be interesting to see when (if?) the 3D comes whether it will come in at a higher price point or if it will come in at about the 5DII price and push the 5DII down to a more appropriate price.
"More appropriate" compared to the Sony 850 or the Nikon D3x? The fact that the 5D2 is never in stock for very long anywhere suggests that there are plenty of photographers who don't think it's overpriced, and the poll in thread 809454 suggests pretty strongly that a lot of photographers will continue to prefer the 5D2 to the 7D (I for one have zero interest in swapping my 5D2 for a 7D).
In the real world, there's always something better "coming down the road in a year or two." I don't doubt that in 5 years all of these 2009 cameras will seem overpriced wrt to features offered, but waiting first one year, then another, then another for the ultimate combination to come along will lead to many years wasted not photographing.
The strategy was to sucker as many people into buying the 5DII at list price as possible before revealing in the 7D that they were willing to put pro features in a non-1-series body after all
This is one of the funniest claims I've read in a long time. Thanks for the chuckle!
It will really be interesting to see when (if?) the 3D comes whether it will come in at a higher price point or if it will come in at about the 5DII price and push the 5DII down to a more appropriate price.
"More appropriate" compared to the Sony 850 or the Nikon D3x? The fact that the 5D2 is never in stock for very long anywhere suggests that there are plenty of photographers who don't think it's overpriced, and the poll in thread 809454 suggests pretty strongly that a lot of photographers will continue to prefer the 5D2 to the 7D (I for one have zero interest in swapping my 5D2 for a 7D).
In the real world, there's always something better "coming down the road in a year or two." I don't doubt that in 5 years all of these 2009 cameras will seem overpriced wrt to features offered, but waiting first one year, then another, then another for the ultimate combination to come along will lead to many years wasted not photographing.
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:16 AM