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p.10 #1Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
A bunch of wedding shooters are not interested in 21 mpx files when they are shooting for 8 full hours - 12 is enough...
http://cyberphotographer.com/m8v5d/images/401.jpg
Wedding photographers used to take medium format AND 35mm. That meant carrying a lot of expensive gear. Now you can shoot a whole wedding with the 5D2 kit. You have 21 Mpixel when you need it, and sraw when you don't. There is no great virtue in sensors with fewer Mpixels. The endlessly touted 'advantage' of fewer Mpixels are just a popular delusion which result from people making the error of using 100% comparison per pixel to judge noise performance.
A bunch of wedding shooters are not interested in 21 mpx files when they are shooting for 8 full hours - 12 is enough...
http://cyberphotographer.com/m8v5d/images/401.jpg
Wedding photographers used to take medium format AND 35mm. That meant carrying a lot of expensive gear. Now you can shoot a whole wedding with the 5D2 kit. You have 21 Mpixel when you need it, and sraw when you don't. There is no great virtue in sensors with fewer Mpixels. The endlessly touted 'advantage' of fewer Mpixels are just a popular delusion which result from people making the error of using 100% comparison per pixel to judge noise performance.
Aug 20, 2009 at 05:22 AM
p.10 #3Canon 7D
brainiac wrote:
http://cyberphotographer.com/m8v5d/images/401.jpg
Wedding photographers used to take medium format AND 35mm. That meant carrying a lot of expensive gear. Now you can shoot a whole wedding with the 5D2 kit. You have 21 Mpixel when you need it, and sraw when you don't. There is no great virtue in sensors with fewer Mpixels. The endlessly touted 'advantage' of fewer Mpixels are just a popular delusion which result from people making the error of using 100% comparison per pixel to judge noise performance.
........and what was the largest print you did with that photo?
roanjohnnyc wrote
A bunch of wedding shooters are not interested in 21 mpx files when they are shooting for 8 full hours - 12 is enough...Wedding photographers used to take medium format AND 35mm. That meant carrying a lot of expensive gear. Now you can shoot a whole wedding with the 5D2 kit. You have 21 Mpixel when you need it, and sraw when you don't. There is no great virtue in sensors with fewer Mpixels. The endlessly touted 'advantage' of fewer Mpixels are just a popular delusion which result from people making the error of using 100% comparison per pixel to judge noise performance.
........and what was the largest print you did with that photo?
Aug 20, 2009 at 05:46 AM
p.10 #4Canon 7D
Canon already made the ideal mix of performance and megapixels. Its called the 1DSMK2 and I ain't sellin' mine...
Aug 20, 2009 at 05:57 AM
p.10 #5Canon 7D
Beni wrote:
And as usual you are the only one who believes it....
I also routinely switch between full raw and sraw1 while shooting weddings, I shoot full raw during formals and big group shots. The images are gorgeous that get printed.
And as usual you are the only one who believes it....
I also routinely switch between full raw and sraw1 while shooting weddings, I shoot full raw during formals and big group shots. The images are gorgeous that get printed.
Aug 20, 2009 at 06:04 AM
p.10 #6Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
When the D700 came out they said it would destroy the D3. Every time a camera is proposed a lot of people say they won't do it because it'll kill sales of another camera and every time they do do it, the sky doesn't fall in.
Actually, the D700 DID kill sales of D3.
While Canon suffered significant reduction in their overall profit, they were still in the black due to improved sales in their camera section. Nikon, on the other hand, is bleeding financially. Nikon went all out to grab more market share and they did just that... at a huge price. If they have learnt their lesson, you will never hear of a D700x until they are ready to roll out a D4X.
When the D700 came out they said it would destroy the D3. Every time a camera is proposed a lot of people say they won't do it because it'll kill sales of another camera and every time they do do it, the sky doesn't fall in.
Actually, the D700 DID kill sales of D3.
While Canon suffered significant reduction in their overall profit, they were still in the black due to improved sales in their camera section. Nikon, on the other hand, is bleeding financially. Nikon went all out to grab more market share and they did just that... at a huge price. If they have learnt their lesson, you will never hear of a D700x until they are ready to roll out a D4X.
Aug 20, 2009 at 06:18 AM
p.10 #7Canon 7D
haijak wrote:
Because it not torture... It's self entertainment.
That implies we might think you wouldn't believe this crap when you see it?
Do you really think that little of us?
Apparently you must.
Oh, don't get me wrong I'd love a feature packed camera with Pro AF in a 5D sized body, with a ton of megapixels and all of the bells and whistles. I also live on planet Earth, in a place called Reality.
My personal opinion, which differs from my desire (think, I'd love to have an evening with Adriana Lima (my desire) but my opinion is, she's not going to be that interested), is that Canon isn't going to introduce 3D's and 7D's and 9Ds.
Rebel Line
XXD line
5D+5D2
1D series.
I think that's what's going to happen. Given that Nikon and Canon have proven people will spent 8000 on a camera (or rather people have proven to Nikon and Canon) I don't see that price point dropping on those particular cameras. The one thing that still holds true is, if you want a ton of MP, and pro AF, you've got to buy their top of the line cameras.
The new releases will probably be 1d4 and 1dsmk4 (I have no idea when, could be another year or whatever), since the 5D was just repleaced I'm betting nothing is going on with it and the 60D, whenever it comes out, unless it's about a 3 story jump over the 40D, I've got no desire to look at it.
If you took the cameras, and added at least a "version" of pro-AF to them, that would be the biggest selling point to me. I really have no need for video. High ISO and better AF. I mean of course, we all want increased dynamic range, noise free low ISO images, so on so forth.
Not saying that I don't want Canon to add more bodies, for more options but I just don't see it happening.
RobertLynn wrote
Why do you guys torture yourselves with these speculations, that are completely out off of the wall?Earlier quote
7D, 3D 9D... I'll believe any of this crap when I see it.Do you really think that little of us?
Earlier quote
Just because you want this, doesn't mean Canon will give this.Oh, don't get me wrong I'd love a feature packed camera with Pro AF in a 5D sized body, with a ton of megapixels and all of the bells and whistles. I also live on planet Earth, in a place called Reality.
My personal opinion, which differs from my desire (think, I'd love to have an evening with Adriana Lima (my desire) but my opinion is, she's not going to be that interested), is that Canon isn't going to introduce 3D's and 7D's and 9Ds.
Rebel Line
XXD line
5D+5D2
1D series.
I think that's what's going to happen. Given that Nikon and Canon have proven people will spent 8000 on a camera (or rather people have proven to Nikon and Canon) I don't see that price point dropping on those particular cameras. The one thing that still holds true is, if you want a ton of MP, and pro AF, you've got to buy their top of the line cameras.
The new releases will probably be 1d4 and 1dsmk4 (I have no idea when, could be another year or whatever), since the 5D was just repleaced I'm betting nothing is going on with it and the 60D, whenever it comes out, unless it's about a 3 story jump over the 40D, I've got no desire to look at it.
If you took the cameras, and added at least a "version" of pro-AF to them, that would be the biggest selling point to me. I really have no need for video. High ISO and better AF. I mean of course, we all want increased dynamic range, noise free low ISO images, so on so forth.
Not saying that I don't want Canon to add more bodies, for more options but I just don't see it happening.
Aug 20, 2009 at 06:32 AM
p.10 #8Canon 7D
Nice. Let's dissect that picture :-) Definitely not a Rebel because of the top illuminated LCD.
No scene modes (ala Rebel, xxD) - so targeted for pro's?
Mfn button?? - new feature.
New ON/OFF button.
Illumination button matches 5DMKII.
Pop-up flash....... similar to the 7D pics we've seen floating around.
........new camera for sure.
No scene modes (ala Rebel, xxD) - so targeted for pro's?
Mfn button?? - new feature.
New ON/OFF button.
Illumination button matches 5DMKII.
Pop-up flash....... similar to the 7D pics we've seen floating around.
........new camera for sure.
Aug 20, 2009 at 07:27 AM
p.10 #9Canon 7D
thw2 wrote:
Actually, the D700 DID kill sales of D3.
While Canon suffered significant reduction in their overall profit, they were still in the black due to improved sales in their camera section. Nikon, on the other hand, is bleeding financially. Nikon went all out to grab more market share and they did just that... at a huge price. If they have learnt their lesson, you will never hear of a D700x until they are ready to roll out a D4X.
But its the same company!!! All the profits go to the same place!!
Canon is more likely to lose money to people buying a D700 than those buying a "3D" instead of a 1DsmkIII, IMO. There are also always people who will buy "the flagship" 1DsmkIII for whatever reason.
Actually, the D700 DID kill sales of D3.
While Canon suffered significant reduction in their overall profit, they were still in the black due to improved sales in their camera section. Nikon, on the other hand, is bleeding financially. Nikon went all out to grab more market share and they did just that... at a huge price. If they have learnt their lesson, you will never hear of a D700x until they are ready to roll out a D4X.
But its the same company!!! All the profits go to the same place!!
Canon is more likely to lose money to people buying a D700 than those buying a "3D" instead of a 1DsmkIII, IMO. There are also always people who will buy "the flagship" 1DsmkIII for whatever reason.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:01 AM
p.10 #10Canon 7D
Maybe the M-fn button is a customisable mirror lockup button! 
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:15 AM
p.10 #11Canon 7D
The shutter button area looks wider and almost 1 series like to me, and at least comparable to the 5D. The new on/off button positioning is a bit odd for a higher end camera, which to me makes more sense to have at the rear bottom like it is currently, so it doesn't get knocked accidentally.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:19 AM
p.10 #12Canon 7D
Most manufacturers are likely to lose money to the general economic down turn......the average guy on FM may have unlimited funds but that is not the general case...or it isn't here in the UK.
Some years ago Canon had a good business case for the EOS 3, a camera that almost mirrored the 1V in functionality. There would be a good case for something similar now along with detachable grip......1series specs but slightly lower build quality and the option of the smaller configeration. Sort of mid way between the 5D 2 and the 1Ds 3.
That might tempt people who can't / won't spend out on the 1Ds 3 and don't like the specs on the 5d 2 either.
Some years ago Canon had a good business case for the EOS 3, a camera that almost mirrored the 1V in functionality. There would be a good case for something similar now along with detachable grip......1series specs but slightly lower build quality and the option of the smaller configeration. Sort of mid way between the 5D 2 and the 1Ds 3.
That might tempt people who can't / won't spend out on the 1Ds 3 and don't like the specs on the 5d 2 either.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:21 AM
p.10 #13Canon 7D
EOS20 wrote:
Maybe the M-fn button is a customisable mirror lockup button!
No. It is to re-program other buttons for direct print.
Maybe the M-fn button is a customisable mirror lockup button!
No. It is to re-program other buttons for direct print.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:22 AM
p.10 #14Canon 7D
rsg_1 wrote:
No. It is to re-program other buttons for direct print.
A mirror lockup button would be nice.
EOS20 wrote
Maybe the M-fn button is a customisable mirror lockup button!A mirror lockup button would be nice.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:30 AM
p.10 #15Canon 7D
Greg Schneider wrote:
The shutter button area looks wider and almost 1 series like to me, and at least comparable to the 5D. The new on/off button positioning is a bit odd for a higher end camera, which to me makes more sense to have at the rear bottom like it is currently, so it doesn't get knocked accidentally.
I actually have to disagree with this. The power button seems far more likely to get bumped on the back of the camera, depending on a person's strap configuration. When I let the camera rest against my body I'm always disabling the aperture control wheel on my 5D, although I never seem to accidentally turn the thing off.
The Rebel I had before this--flawed as it was--never had this problem with the switch on top.
The shutter button area looks wider and almost 1 series like to me, and at least comparable to the 5D. The new on/off button positioning is a bit odd for a higher end camera, which to me makes more sense to have at the rear bottom like it is currently, so it doesn't get knocked accidentally.
I actually have to disagree with this. The power button seems far more likely to get bumped on the back of the camera, depending on a person's strap configuration. When I let the camera rest against my body I'm always disabling the aperture control wheel on my 5D, although I never seem to accidentally turn the thing off.
The Rebel I had before this--flawed as it was--never had this problem with the switch on top.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:32 AM
p.10 #16Canon 7D
Will Patterson wrote:
No. It is to re-program other buttons for direct print.A mirror lockup button would be nice.
Mirror-lock up is hardly the kind of feature you need to whip out on the fly, but if it is some sort of custom function mappable button, that would be pretty rad. You could have your mirror-lock up and I could have my direct print.
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EOS20 wrote
Maybe the M-fn button is a customisable mirror lockup button!Mirror-lock up is hardly the kind of feature you need to whip out on the fly, but if it is some sort of custom function mappable button, that would be pretty rad. You could have your mirror-lock up and I could have my direct print.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:35 AM
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p.10 #17Canon 7D
Will Patterson wrote:
I shoot full raw during formals and big group shots.
According to people round here you shouldn't bother. Nobody prints above 6x4", and you can only see the difference at A0. No client ever wants his pictures cropped, and any surplus quality is unprofessional ;-)
I shoot full raw during formals and big group shots.
According to people round here you shouldn't bother. Nobody prints above 6x4", and you can only see the difference at A0. No client ever wants his pictures cropped, and any surplus quality is unprofessional ;-)
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:36 AM
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Greg Schneider wrote:
The new on/off button positioning is a bit odd for a higher end camera, which to me makes more sense to have at the rear bottom like it is currently, so it doesn't get knocked accidentally.
You must be joking. With a zoom mounted, the front of the camera hangs downwards when the camera is carried over the shoulder or around the neck, and that bloody power switch on the 5D1/2 bumps against your body and switches itself off 50 times a day. Canon will have changed that switch position because so many people complain.
The new on/off button positioning is a bit odd for a higher end camera, which to me makes more sense to have at the rear bottom like it is currently, so it doesn't get knocked accidentally.
You must be joking. With a zoom mounted, the front of the camera hangs downwards when the camera is carried over the shoulder or around the neck, and that bloody power switch on the 5D1/2 bumps against your body and switches itself off 50 times a day. Canon will have changed that switch position because so many people complain.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:40 AM
p.10 #19Canon 7D
I like the On/Off button position on the mock camera, very convenient.
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:41 AM
p.10 #20Canon 7D
I wonder if they moved the on/off switch to make room for a new feature on the back?
M.Fn sounds like a programmable button to me.
Maybe it's an overboost type function. Press it and you briefly get the digic IV overclocked or another 11 AF points
M.Fn sounds like a programmable button to me.
Maybe it's an overboost type function. Press it and you briefly get the digic IV overclocked or another 11 AF points
Aug 20, 2009 at 08:42 AM