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p.63 #1 · Canon 7D


roanjohnnyc wrote:
But then this thread.....which I started........will die a peaceful death........


....may it rest in peace.....



Nah its got a good 20 pages left in the next 24 hours



Aug 30, 2009 at 11:05 PM
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p.63 #2 · Canon 7D


dhphoto wrote:
Good that you like them. I have never seen or used an EF-S lens that wasn't very averagely built and vastly over priced, even if it did have good optics.

IMHO the EF-S range is one that Canon doesn't care that much about, certainly not at the higher end. If anyone can quite justify why a 17-55IS costs as much as it does - with the build quality that it has I'd be interested, considering a 24-105L and 24-70L aren't far off the same price, for an entirely different quality of lens.



what is the big deal about build quality?

seriously, unless it is maybe 50 1.4 clutch-breaking or original 70-300 IS portrait flopping bad?

i'm sure the optics cost a lot more than build anyway

the macro 60 is pretty darn well built

and the 24-105, talk about vastly overpriced....



Aug 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM
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p.63 #3 · Canon 7D


Lars Johnsson wrote:
Nearly every Canon lens use that "fancy aspherical elements" or UD glass Here are justt a few of those outside of the L lenses

EF-S 10-22
EF-S 17-85
EF-S 18-55 all versions of that lens
EF-S 55-250
EF 28/1,8
EF 28/2,8
EF 135/2,8
MP-E 65
EF 24-85
EF 28-90
EF 28-105
EF 28-135
EF 28-200
EF 70-300


umm ONLY the 18-55 IS uses any special elements

and the 18-55 IS, 70-300 IS, 55-250 are some of the more recent lenses that started using them, and the 18-55 is EF-S, 10-22, 55-250 are EF-S which don't get labelled L no matter how much goes into them.

Ok, the 28mm's and the 135 SF 2.8 use AN aspherical element each, that is only three out of ALL the non-L primes and still they use zero UD elements and only a single aspherical. And same story for all those EF zooms, only a single aspherical element and NO UD elements at all.

OTOH the EF-S 10-22 uses THREE asperhical and ONE UD element. L-like.

The 17-55 IS uses significant numbers of special elements, a lot more than non-L's EF did. It uses TWO aspherhical and TWO UD.

Both of those use as many special elements as many L's of the day (even even more than some older Ls).



Aug 30, 2009 at 11:44 PM
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p.63 #4 · Canon 7D


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It doesn't mean that at all.

Canon's current product roadmap would have been more or less cast in stone three or four years ago, and it just happens that at about the same time, Nikon decided to finally get their backsides into gear and start producing cameras which challenged the capabilities of the Canon cameras available at that time.

Canon - or any other company - can't simply see a new rival camera one day and have an answer for it the next.


no, they could've planned ahead to stay at front instead of assuming that their competition was hopeless. Did you hear some of the arrogant interviews from canon like 3 years ago how there was no need for them to do this or that since they were YEARS ahead so they didn't feel it necessarily to think about adding too much or doing too much for a while. They sounded pretty damn arrogant and full of themselves.
Then when interviewers pushed them about what if they were like oh we have it all ready and if we somehow did get surprised we can always go back and react. And that is what they are somewhat stuck with now. I mean in some ways they are still a bit ahead of Nikon, but not in others and they easily could've been.

They could've easily beaten Nikon to D300 to a D700x, etc. heck nikon didnt even have a full frame and yet nikon will almost surely now be first to make a "Canon 3D" an 18+ MP FF with pro AF and at least 6fps.




Aug 30, 2009 at 11:52 PM
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p.63 #5 · Canon 7D


Steve Spencer wrote:
I think this announcement gives some clarity to Canon's offerings over the next couple of years. First, it makes it clear that Canon is willing to use the old 7 label and I believe they will use the 3 label (i.e., a 3D is coming). Second, it is clear the throughput with 2 digic IV processors is about 150 megapixels per second. Third, I think this camera is not a 1.3 cropper because there will be a 1D MKIV that is a 1.3 cropper. So here is what I think the line up will be coming out over the
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I think we are likely to see digic V by then and that you underset 1Ds a bit

guess:
1D4 18MP, 1.3x crop, dual-digic V, 12fps, 1D4 AF $4000
1Ds4 36-40MP, FF, duali-digic V, 5-6fps, 1D4 AF $6000
3D 21-24MP, FF, digic V, 6fps, 1D4 AF (?) $3100-$3400
5D3 36-40MP, digiv V, 3.5-4fps, 1D4 AF with no assists and few custom settings?? (? might they have only 5d3 or only 3d?) $2700
7D 18MP, 1.6x crop, dual digic IV, 8fps, 1D4 AF $1700

1 series get larger RAW buffers, better sealing, integrated grip

then repeat starting with 7D2, then 1D5, then 3D2/5D4 etc.

or maybe instead

1D4 18MP FF, DD V, 12fps (or 21MP and maybe 10fps), 1D4 AF $4800
1Ds4 40MP, FF, DD5, 5fps, 1D4 AF $6000
3D 21-24MP, FF, digic V, 6fps, 1D4 AF $3100-$3400
5D3 36-40MP, digiv V, 3.5-4fps, 1D4 AF with no assists and few custom settings?? $2700
7D 18MP, 1.6x crop, dual digic IV, 8fps, 1D4 AF $1700

who the heck knows

i just worry whether canon like the idea of the 3D, i hear they HATE it and will only do it if d700/d700x go crazy and so on and so forth

even though in many ways the 3D would be the most ideal camera for a great many (providing you are able to go $3000ish)



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:13 AM
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p.63 #6 · Canon 7D


philber wrote:
With respect, Steve, I disagree. My take is the following: I agree that the top of the line will be the twin 1Ds/1D in Mk IV iteration. But IMHO the 7 will be the sport/birding sibling of the 5. Whereas the 5 is heavily slanted for portrait/wedding/landscape, with lots of pixels, the 7 will have a crop's reach plus lots of fps and, hopefully, good AF. That screams sport, wildlife etc...
That way, 5D MkII and 7D won't take too much away for the 1 series, and Canon have something in both market segments.
Which of course makes the 7D a 300D
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that is my fear (not that it will keep me up at night i mean hey)

it will be years before we get a 3D, so you have good light 7D action and low light 5D2 statics but no low light action and good light stills 3D





Aug 31, 2009 at 12:15 AM
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p.63 #7 · Canon 7D


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Aero Dynamic Body Design, metal characteristic shutter sound up to 150.000 cycle


I bet the real English translation will be "Stylish body design, quiet shutter, up to 150,000 cycles."




Aug 31, 2009 at 12:22 AM
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p.63 #8 · Canon 7D


Schlotkins wrote:
Any comments on this from canonrumors?

New eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points

Looks like it's got 4 AF 'lines' on the center instead of just 2. I wonder if this means the new 1 series AF will have the same... or maybe all 19 would be eight directional?

Also, It seems to me they skimped on the RAW buffer a bit... although I guess that's about 2 seconds and depends on how fast it clears..


yeah you will hit the buffer limit shooting sports at times withit being 8fps i think

hopefully that is the only compromise

I think the 1 series all have at least 22 frame buffers.



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:24 AM
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p.63 #9 · Canon 7D


orangefirefish wrote:
I'm sorry- but that's just ridiculous. That sounds like the specs for the 1ds mark IV to me, which will sell for $8000- and never would you see that in a "3D" before you see the 1dsIV.
If you need 25MP with those specs (and very, very few of us will ever "need" that) then you're going to have to cough up the change for the 1dsIV. The 3D as most folks want it is just the Canon version of the D700 (or a digital version of the EOS-3). What was described is absolutely ludicrous.


it'll be funny then when nikon introduces it for $3400....



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:25 AM
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p.63 #10 · Canon 7D


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The 1D2 has 45 selectable points.



1D2 is old crap

get with the times
1D3 and 1Ds3 have only 19 of them selectable (and even the old 5D and 5D2 have only 9 of 15 selectable)

The 5D2 has 15 AF points but the box says 9! So there is hope for the 7D!



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:29 AM
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p.63 #11 · Canon 7D


dwweiche wrote:
Granted I may have missed it in this 49 (!) page thread, but is there any mention in the 7D rumored specs that it includes micro-focus adjust? I don't seem to recall hearing that yet...


you will read in the pape that canon HQs worldwide have been burned to ground, if not

i'm sure it will, it should, it must.... it won't



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:30 AM
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p.63 #12 · Canon 7D


Steve Spencer wrote:
I would expect the 1Ds MKIV to have a lot higher resolution than 25 megapixels--at least 30. Canon has to leap frog Nikon in overall resolution with the MKIV and not just match and it seems likely to me that the successor the D700 with have the same sensor as the D3X so if Canon wants to step up to the plate and compete with Nikon as the 7D suggests they do, then they will need a camera like the 3D to compete with the successor to the D700. It may take them 18 month to 2 years (just
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following by pattern 1D4 should have 18 and 1Ds4 36 for sure, no way they'd just plop in 30! They may even jump it higher to leave room for 3D if we are lucky....



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:31 AM
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p.63 #13 · Canon 7D


Will Patterson wrote:
Wow, almost 50 pages? Guys, give it a rest.


Dude the 5D2 pre-announcement thread was at 200 by now! We've barely even started!



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:33 AM
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p.63 #14 · Canon 7D


this "7D" photo gives FF fans a glimmer of hope.
oops. photo can't display.
just go to this page and scroll down for that picture of "7D" with a lens attached.
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&source=hp&q=canon+7d&aq=f&oq=



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:34 AM
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p.63 #15 · Canon 7D


Venus wrote:
this "7D" photo gives FF fans a glimmer of hope.

http://www.google.cn/imglanding?imgurl=http://www.fotomaf.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/7d2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D742952&h=333&w=500&sz=34&tbnid=rM6FNRS2ATc9eM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcanon%2B7d&hl=zh-CN&usg=__sIHKXfGvYPnliVIelRlQX1TZBwY%3D&ei=eVqbSo29JpTI6gP6nczUBA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&q=canon+7d&start=0


not much, since the fake didn't even show up



Aug 31, 2009 at 12:37 AM
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p.63 #16 · Canon 7D


Yakim Peled wrote:
I missed that statement. Can you give a reference?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


Yakim that's at least 18 months old and it may have been Chuck Westfall in an interview I read. It was definitely a Canon representative. Whether that sentiment is still true I don't know, but so far no EF-S L, even though 2 of them are L optically.



Aug 31, 2009 at 01:53 AM
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p.63 #17 · Canon 7D


globalkiwi wrote:
I can't see Canon placing a third crop factor camera between the 1.6 & the 1.3.


Replace both with a 1.45x crop



Aug 31, 2009 at 01:55 AM
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p.63 #18 · Canon 7D


roanjohnnyc wrote:
Oh my....... the new rumor is now a 1.45x crop!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! This is becoming outrageous!!


Actually it is going to be a sqrt(2) crop.



Aug 31, 2009 at 01:59 AM
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p.63 #19 · Canon 7D


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Yakim that's at least 18 months old and it may have been Chuck Westfall in an interview I read. It was definitely a Canon representative. Whether that sentiment is still true I don't know, but so far no EF-S L, even though 2 of them are L optically.


I know they are optically equivalent. I have 3 EF-S lenses and have/had many L's. I just wondered about an actual statement.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.




Aug 31, 2009 at 03:06 AM
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p.63 #20 · Canon 7D


ruhikant wrote:
Quoting DPP "based on my trusted source, (a tester who handled the camera personally), it will yes be APS-C and yes takes EF-S but NOT 1.6x, rather close to 1.45x. and if u do the math you'll find that being 18MP at that sensor size means the pixel density is not higher than the 50D. that way the camera exceeds D300 by both sensor size and MP count, it is certainly better than 50D in many ways and it tries to find a compromise between being compatible with EF-S's and a bit more exciting sensor-size-wise than traditional 1.6x. this is

Is it possible at all ?? Is canon changing the cropped factor?
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Highly unlikely IMHO.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.




Aug 31, 2009 at 03:12 AM
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